Soulex posted:At least your unit brought a Public Affairs section. why do you think this is important? like when has someone said, 'if not for the PAO, the battle would surely have been lost. thank god he logged in and updated the unit facebook' in combat or training?
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Soulex was public affairs and has an unhealthy fixation on their POGy activities Personally I think the Army should outsource everything that isn't combat arms. Discuss.
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Sep 25, 2017 11:25
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Yes because outsourcing and contractors have really made the Army great. Army Civilians could work more jobs for continuity and special skills, but gently caress contractors and outsourcing.
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Sep 25, 2017 11:26
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milk milk lemonade posted:Soulex was public affairs and has an unhealthy fixation on their POGy activities i know that. i find it amusing that he thinks anyone else gives a poo poo what the pao/his staff of pogs does or did. like someone is going to write an award '...and he valiantly issued a boilerplate press release in the finest traditions of the united states armed services. he missed his lunch for his country.' i think the army should probably take a top to bottom look at the organization and start eliminating billets/tasks.
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Sep 25, 2017 11:33
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It's almost like the Army just doesn't shoot dudes 24-7 and actually is like an organization that does a wholesome service maintaining PR, recruitment, peacekeeping, local relations, civilian education, etc etc and all kinds of poo poo where it matters how you make it look, and maybe there should be a dude out there ensuring, that the pics get taken, stories written, and such.
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Sep 25, 2017 11:38
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It's almost like who cares bring back the 20 11 series MOS's and kick the loving horse food makers out Would be a lot easier to get poo poo done if the organization were full of killers and not a huge beuracratic POG swamp full of fatties
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Sep 25, 2017 11:41
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Vahakyla posted:It's almost like the Army just doesn't shoot dudes 24-7 and actually is like an organization that does a wholesome service maintaining PR, recruitment, peacekeeping, local relations, civilian education, etc etc and all kinds of poo poo where it matters how you make it look, and maybe there should be a dude out there ensuring, that the pics get taken, stories written, and such. no loving way really? maybe some of those functions aren't important and maintaining them actually degrades the entire organization???? milk milk lemonade posted:It's almost like who cares bring back the 20 11 series MOS's and kick the loving horse food makers out weird attempt at straw manning me here lol
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Sep 25, 2017 11:55
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When a Stryker rolls over and kills four riflemen, I am really looking forward the PFC saw gunner giving the info to TV cameras and news outlets.
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Sep 25, 2017 12:02
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Imagine four joes on the edge of a cliff... Public affairs works the same way.
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Sep 25, 2017 12:22
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vains posted:no loving way really? maybe some of those functions aren't important and maintaining them actually degrades the entire organization???? I'm being serious 
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Sep 25, 2017 12:28
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milk milk lemonade posted:It's almost like who cares bring back the 20 11 series MOS's and kick the loving horse food makers out I'm trying to imagine a combat scenario where the reason the combat troops are getting hosed up is because of a horse food maker. Also I believe you mean Combat Animal Logistician Soldier.
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Sep 25, 2017 12:34
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You seriously can't imagine why adding administrative and management overhead for making horse food to an organization whose primary purpose is to kill people might be a waste?
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Sep 25, 2017 12:57
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milk milk lemonade posted:You seriously can't imagine why adding administrative and management overhead for making horse food to an organization whose primary purpose is to kill people might be a waste? I didn't mean that, I just was thinking of some rifleman pinned down or hit by an IED ranting about horse food makers as he waits for the medic, and that's funny to me. The ultimate libertarian soldier. Also killing people is not the army's primary purpose.
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Sep 25, 2017 12:59
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Oh duh. I'm not a good reader
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Sep 25, 2017 13:00
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vains posted:why do you think this is important? like when has someone said, 'if not for the PAO, the battle would surely have been lost. thank god he logged in and updated the unit facebook' in combat or training? I don't think you actually know what PAO does do you? Those are parts of it, but considering that a big part of OUR exercise revolved around press conferences and meetings, yeah it was kind of important. Suck my dick idiot. edit: The commander of the whole 1/25 SBCT was like Trump with media. He told me and everyone else in other BUBs/CUBs/and whatever that "Public Affairs shouldn't be trusted, the media lies to you." As I'm trying to explain that media is in the area and trying to conduct interviews. He loving hated PA, and that's from a lack of understanding. I also highly doubt you've been a part of a . gently caress up so large that you forget an entire section of people out of 5k, replacing the entire section with two NCOS who've never done it, forget to account for the people that are helping you food wise, shelter wise, and gently caress with them at every turn because they aren't from Alaska and are POG mother fuckers. Soulex fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 16:24
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Vahakyla posted:When a Stryker rolls over and kills four riflemen, I am really looking forward the PFC saw gunner giving the info to TV cameras and news outlets. Please make this guy the PAO General of the Army. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQulDWPs4qc
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Sep 25, 2017 19:35
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Vahakyla posted:When a Stryker rolls over and kills four riflemen, I am really looking forward the PFC saw gunner giving the info to TV cameras and news outlets. I know this is a joke but there is a real reason behind this. Memories are fallible and easily manipulated. Recording the events as it happened helps investigators later. It provides a Broll package to news outlets who will actually use the footage to mention the tragedy without bringing in their own camera crews (would you want that instead?), as well as making it available to their hometown station because gotta keep folks back home informed. Is what he said relevant (the PFC) well kinda. Is it more than "hey this is going on AFN?" Yes. I had to do a Broll package and stuff of the Ebola place they put soldiers coming back from Africa a few years ago. Command wanted soldiers in it running around showing it wasn't so bad. Without intervention, it would have looked like we had units of Ebola laden soldiers running around JBLM. Public Affairs is really helps with a lot of common sense problems. I'm not saying they are the most important by any stretch, people just poo poo on them for the simple reason that they are more visible. You don't see 42As conducting interviews in the field. Or doing paperwork. And seeing that they are pretty much merging combat camera with all of public affairs, you'll see more of them.
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Sep 25, 2017 19:48
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I'm hundred percent for good Public Affairs and I don't hold retarded opinions that PAOs are worthless. It's the other poster who thinks that it's worthless and wants the hick with a SAW to be Army's face when it counts because he thinks PAOs are useless. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Sep 25, 2017 |
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Sep 25, 2017 20:02
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I'll leave it with a story one of my instructors told me , that helps shape and define what we do. We are all in pretty much agreement that the Army is stupid. It makes stupid decisions all the time, because it has a lot of stupid people. He was out on patrol when they got hit by indirect or something. They had a mortar team and used it. He had an awesome shot of them dunking the round in the tubes and in the distance you could see the explosions. He was super proud of the shot and interviewed the guys afterwards about mortaring. After the mission, he edited the video and had his boss watch it. His boss liked it all up till that point where the mortars are going off. He stopped and looked horrified. The sound bite was something like : 'yeah that's what we do; the Shake and Bake. Couple rounds of HE to shake em and when they are hiding, we bake em with WP." That's against the law, like big time. Had that been approved and made any news network would have had major consequences. It would have shown Americans breaking Geneva Convention code and laughing about it. The story was edited and those people talked to of course, but situations like this are shockingly common. Again, we aren't the best or the brightest, but we try to make it seem like the rest of the Army is by working around the clock to rescue her public image. Remember, if there is a rule about it, someone has done it.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:07
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Vahakyla posted:I'm hundred percent for good Public Affairs and I don't hold retarded opinions that PAOs are worthless. Plus that poo poo gets heavy. Give me a 203 anyway.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:09
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"And now we tune into our reporter on scene, after the 2th-7th has reportedly committed a war crime accidentally firing with their M1 tanks into a North Korean orphanage. She will be talking to the Army's spokesperson, PFC Bubba" Camera pans into the dude talking about it:  Hearts and minds.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:10
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Soulex posted:I'll leave it with a story one of my instructors told me , that helps shape and define what we do. No, it isn't!!! I can totally see why the Army wouldn't want the clip going out, or maybe it violated local ROE or policy or something, but that is not against the law of land warfare. Peep this poo poo, which CENTCOM is proud of and which the fires center has been showing to fires officers to disavow them of the idea that WP cannot be used as anything but an obscurant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-fPtMqkog4 I'm not dunking on you as PAO POG, but I get pissy when people think WP is banned from use as a weapon by Geneva Conventions, when it isn't.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:12
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I hope it's that exact video from youtube with the description "In Mosul's Zanjili district. Die MoFo's!" as it reads.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:17
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US WP policy and international law of war is basically "don't use WP on civilians. Don't use WP on enemies unless you think you really need to. Don't use WP on enemies near civilians unless you really, really think you need to. Don't use WP on vegetation unless it will help you kill enemy or you really think you need to."
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Sep 25, 2017 20:20
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mlmp08 posted:US WP policy and international law of war is basically "don't use WP on civilians. Don't use WP on enemies unless you think you really need to. Don't use WP on enemies near civilians unless you really, really think you need to. Don't use WP on vegetation unless it will help you kill enemy or you really think you need to." I wasn't there, but he made it evident that they were doing this for 30 minutes so I dunno. I do know that WP is nasty chemical burn and that's a reason why it's not used. That and containment is horrendous. I also don't know the landscape so there may have been a village there or nearby. Again, I don't know so can't say. And hey, I learned something. I'm not afraid to admit to being wrong. Good to know about WP. Always thought it was illegal and never wanted to be around he stuff.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:24
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mlmp08 posted:No, it isn't!!! Meant to quote you actually. Like I said, I get the tactic and war is hell but Jesus I never wish WP on anyone.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:26
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There's a really grisly account of some kids who died to WP wounds (can't recall what country deployed it) and they put the corpses in a bucket of water to stop the flames. Hours later, they pulled the corpses out and they reignited, because WP reacts with air and not water. Dead is dead, but holy poo poo, that must be crazy for a hospital worker to deal with.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:29
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Soulex posted:The commander of the whole 1/25 SBCT was like Trump with media. He told me and everyone else in other BUBs/CUBs/and whatever that "Public Affairs shouldn't be trusted, the media lies to you." As I'm trying to explain that media is in the area and trying to conduct interviews. He loving hated PA, and that's from a lack of understanding. Was this recently? I could see one of the former commanders of that unit saying the exact same thing, circa 2011-12. Would've also explained the loving weirdo that was in that role, I wouldn't have trusted that guy either.
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Sep 25, 2017 20:46
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mlmp08 posted:There's a really grisly account of some kids who died to WP wounds (can't recall what country deployed it) and they put the corpses in a bucket of water to stop the flames. Hours later, they pulled the corpses out and they reignited, because WP reacts with air and not water. Dead is dead, but holy poo poo, that must be crazy for a hospital worker to deal with. That's why you pray to God it's been raining like a motherfucker, because the only thing stopping that poo poo is wet mud.
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Sep 25, 2017 21:16
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Icon Of Sin posted:Was this recently? I could see one of the former commanders of that unit saying the exact same thing, circa 2011-12. Would've also explained the loving weirdo that was in that role, I wouldn't have trusted that guy either. About two year ago. Commander was Cook or something. He had a motoboner because he told anyone in earshot everyday "I've been waiting years to come to NTC!"
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Sep 25, 2017 22:00
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Man I loving hate Army Computers. I, with 1700 people, was locked out of my account for almost a month. Now I can only log into certain computers.
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Sep 25, 2017 22:43
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The sun has been up for 10 minutes. The blinking of dishes in the DFAC mixes well with the incomprehensible chatter of troops. Pogs angrily shake their fist, yelling to the sky, complaining about how those damned infantry man just don't appreciate how vital all of their bureaucracy is to the corps of jerks and man. The Airman laughs at the infantryman because for every magazine the infantryman fires another 300,000 USD in McAllister plastic and steel are dropped on that same kilometer into that thin fiberglass sand all of us took home in our lungs as a souvenir. A man who barely has the right to recite in guttural tones the word of devout zealots, centuries old, is rewarded for his faith by losing his son and the camels his family has raised for 3 generations to drifters who lost control of their Toyota Pajero while doing donuts on the same MSR that US solders slowly trundled down to Baghdad on to paint a mural in blood and sinew, consumed by revenge and the lust for death. A man lazily observes a carcass consumed by the pond less than 10 meters from his canvas home. A porta shitter is defiled with the humble likeness of winged, dancing mad cocks, a devout shrine to the milf godfigure, a nurturing and fertile diety adored. An officer is promoted for something his staff sergeant accomplished and celebrates with alcohol and his favorite supply specialist under his desk that afternoon. The Marine contemplates the meaning of life while he conducts morning pt. A foolish child, tricked by the devil himself, Sergeant First Class Jones, is given 6+2 years of assurance that he is 'definitely' going Airborne Ranger. Somewhere, a Sergeant and his driver are lazily eyeballing a HET cab, blackened by the soot of the exhaust that came unbolted, pondering just how much of the windshield wiper fluid box was inhaled by the operators as it melted halfway through the mission. We break bread over the cold rivets of our nukes, cursing the swamp of incompetence we were swallowed by and live, live as men can when given the chance, lives unfettered by the meaningless concerns of others. We grow old, weary of even nostalgia. There is pride, but it is a bitter pride and a callow life with all our brothers present would have sufficed. A Command Sergeant Major naps bloated on the savanna, digesting his meal. An overlooked tire from a trailer bounces free from its earthly ties and rolls unbound, a third world tumbleweed that crests a dune and coasts serenely into a nearby wire fence. A random truck already sagging with rice bags sags further still as it drives off with its new prize within minutes. A convoy spends 10 hours looking for it anyway before combat lossing it. The Brigade Commander causes an entire complex to lose access to the net after he plugs in his iPhone to his personal SIPR netbook. A warped, broken man dies on the steps of the institution created for his health and welfare. Pumpkin spice coffees are advertised in the local Green Bean for military spouses. Soon, it will be winter and, with it, the promise of death, a year closer. Hail Satan, long may he reign over this gay earth Siri, suck my dick from the back you gently caress man
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Sep 26, 2017 00:53
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You don't want to know how much WP I saw moved in the last year 
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Sep 26, 2017 00:55
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its curtains for Kevin posted:The sun has been up for 10 minutes. The blinking of dishes in the DFAC mixes well with the incomprehensible chatter of troops. Pogs angrily shake their fist, yelling to the sky, complaining about how those damned infantry man just don't appreciate how vital all of their bureaucracy is to the corps of jerks and man. The Airman laughs at the infantryman because for every magazine the infantryman fires another 300,000 USD in McAllister plastic and steel are dropped on that same kilometer into that thin fiberglass sand all of us took home in our lungs as a souvenir. They sent a poet.
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Sep 26, 2017 01:00
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Vahakyla posted:I'm hundred percent for good Public Affairs and I don't hold retarded opinions that PAOs are worthless. We're talking about outsourcing that poo poo you loving POG
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Sep 26, 2017 03:47
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its curtains for Kevin posted:The sun has been up for 10 minutes. The blinking of dishes in the DFAC mixes well with the incomprehensible chatter of troops. Pogs angrily shake their fist, yelling to the sky, complaining about how those damned infantry man just don't appreciate how vital all of their bureaucracy is to the corps of jerks and man. The Airman laughs at the infantryman because for every magazine the infantryman fires another 300,000 USD in McAllister plastic and steel are dropped on that same kilometer into that thin fiberglass sand all of us took home in our lungs as a souvenir. 
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Sep 26, 2017 04:08
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The way the Army gives preferential treatment to people married with kids is bullshit. Just because I'm single I should go on one of the last busses? What a crock of poo poo. I already came out here a week before everyone else. But I'm supposed to "think about the families". gently caress em. And all the UMO poo poo is done, all I'm doing now is twiddling my thumbs for a loving week until I leave
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Sep 26, 2017 18:14
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Sep 26, 2017 18:24
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Mustang posted:The way the Army gives preferential treatment to people married with kids is bullshit. lol if you think this has anything to do with the army giving a gently caress about families
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McNally posted:lol if you think this has anything to do with the army giving a gently caress about families gawd drat 
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