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Ventana posted:I was surprised by this too. I still think the actual death-sense power sounds dumb as hell, but in the context of the episode I think they sold it pretty well and made me curious about where it'll go (if it goes anywhere). I don't think it's actually a power. The way he explained it it was more like him just saying he was getting the heeby jeebies. If it's a power it's just the same way a dog whines when a tornado is coming in a few hours. I really liked Saru. I feel the show did an insufficient job explaining why everyone was an rear end in a top hat to him when everything he said was reasonable. Even in the opening bridge scene Burnham is basically calling him bad at his job for no reason and the whole crew laughs at him, when all he said was they needed more evidence or something innocuous.
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The Bloop posted:Point taken but neither are Klingons. I haven't seen the second episode yet so I can't really say anything else. Everything feels like Discovery is starting out from a darker baseline story-wise than the other Trek series and I hope it ends up being optimistic despite the dark stuff, not 'but what if we made everything really grim??' Like, dark stuff happens in every series but the baseline is supposed to be an optimistic future. Also seems kind of weird for someone in a post-racial future to point out the main character being black as a reason why 'she should know better' than to discriminate based on race, especially when... she wasn't? Like she definitely has huge issues with Klingons but race and species and culture are all different things.
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That was very weird, but maybe he meant the discrimination she suffered as a human among Vulcans?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think it's actually a power. The way he explained it it was more like him just saying he was getting the heeby jeebies. If it's a power it's just the same way a dog whines when a tornado is coming in a few hours.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That was very weird, but maybe he meant the discrimination she suffered as a human among Vulcans? EDIT: Oh, maybe that's why her objection was 'no I'm discriminating based on culture', because race = species in this post-racial future.
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cheetah7071 posted:Does the fact that Sisko has a sister come up again at all after the throwaway line in Homefront? You'd think she'd be mentioned in the season seven opening at least. I was going to make up a dumb answer to this when I remembered there is an actual answer to this and it is dumber than anything I could make up. The Sisko technically only has a half-sister Thom12255 posted:She's pretty flawed and sucky ain't she. Means we get character development in the show instead of everyone staying the same. You don't have to start at the bottom rung, though.
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PetraCore posted:Yeah I felt like the implication they were going for is 'he does the hyper-cautious thing a lot and people are tired of it' but it came off as mean more than anything, especially when it seems like he's willing to be more daring than he's personally comfortable with if he thinks it'll help. Cowardice and caution are different things. Maybe he'll end up being Reverse Worf. Every episode: "Captain, I recommend extreme timidness." "Negative, you sensible primitive. Charge weapons, full speed ahead!"
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Pakled posted:Nope. I didn't recognize any actors from ENT or any reference to Archer or the NX-01. Interesting thing about that--there's an interview floating around with one of the producers or something where he says when it comes to continuity, the biggest "SIMPSONS DID IT!" stuff always comes from Enterprise, not TOS or Bermanga Trek. Not surprisingly, every cool idea they have to explore the Secret Origins of Trek Trope X has already been covered by the other prequel series ("They could call it...a Reed Alert"  ). He sounds a little passive aggressive pissed and it would not shock me if by the 5th ep or so we find out thet fired their Continuity Czars in the writer's room and go out if their way to decanonize Enterprise.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Maybe he'll end up being Reverse Worf. Every episode: "Captain, I recommend extreme timidness." "Negative, you sensible primitive. Charge weapons, full speed ahead!"
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think it's actually a power. The way he explained it it was more like him just saying he was getting the heeby jeebies. If it's a power it's just the same way a dog whines when a tornado is coming in a few hours. I wouldn't say I liked the character, but he is definitely the standout performer of those in a shitton of prosthetics, and in fact of the whole cast. The dynamic between him and Burnham is weird and struck me as a bit inappropriate. Could be interesting down the line but it came off as workplace bullying rather than Spock-McCoy styled ribbing.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I don't think it's actually a power. The way he explained it it was more like him just saying he was getting the heeby jeebies. If it's a power it's just the same way a dog whines when a tornado is coming in a few hours. Looking it up from articles like this, apparently it's just a heightened senses thing to danger in general and not a psychic death sense power. So it basically looks like hyper heeby jeebies. In retrospect maybe a bit more context about why they were laughing at him would've been better, yeah. I initially thought it was super awkward, and thought it made a bit more sense when the show seemed to categorize him as a worry wart, which I can identify with. But it could've been a bit clearer and a little...less mean?
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Ventana posted:Looking it up from articles like this, apparently it's just a heightened senses thing to danger in general and not a psychic death sense power. So it basically looks like hyper heeby jeebies. - some guy on reddit, probably
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Nessus posted:Heh, how unrealistic, to imagine a future where people don't haze a fellow worker for his ethnic background or innate talents! heh heh, dude comes from a planet where he can get eaten by the other species at any moment, what a coward, heh
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mossyfisk posted:Dude's a Puppeteer, it's not complicated. Exactly what I was thinking. He was just saying that as a prey species, foremost (hindmost!) on their mind is the very real looming threat of death all around them. "Sensing the coming of death" is just saying that their current course is dangerous as gently caress and therefore best avoided. He never remotely intimated it was some genetic superpower.
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mossyfisk posted:Dude's a Puppeteer, it's not complicated.
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I finally got around to watching the Orville, and I think I like it! It's not bad, at least not in the ways I expected. Plus, it's eerie how they're out TNG-ing TNG, tone for tone and beat for beat. The third episode, with the tribunal, was so TNG I grew dizzy and awoke in a cold sweat not knowing how much time had passed.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Huh. I was also thinking of the Klingon ship using light reminding me of one of Niven's Man-Kzin Wars shorts. If this takes cues from Known Space then I'm suddenly 100% in.
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Brawnfire posted:I finally got around to watching the Orville, and I think I like it! It's not bad, at least not in the ways I expected. Plus, it's eerie how they're out TNG-ing TNG, tone for tone and beat for beat. The third episode, with the tribunal, was so TNG I grew dizzy and awoke in a cold sweat not knowing how much time had passed. They've already done the Cowboy Episode (at least for a few minutes), the Trial Episode, and the Alien Zoo Episode. I figure Drunk Crew Episode and Nazi Planet Episode should be before midseason break at this rate!
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I am about to wrap up my first view of Star Trek Discovery and I gotta say even though it's a little hackneyed in a few spots due to scripting and "this is the take we want to deliver" choices, I am enjoying a lot of aspects about it. I haven't kept up with this thread or its discussion of star trek in over 14K posts but I just wanted to drop in and say that it's not bad. I was expecting a lot of red shirt jokes and stupid cheese, but hey the sets are well designed, the uniforms are good and refreshingly enough they're really pushing for a unique property instead of rehashing TNG plotlines. Well that's my hot take. I hope it pans out as some quality TV despite the development pains. Edit: Add me to the Saru fan club. MC Hawking fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 26, 2017 |
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:If this takes cues from Known Space then I'm suddenly 100% in. Larry Niven wrote an episode of the animated series, and included the Kzinti. They're canonically in the Star Trek universe. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Kzinti 
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Astroman posted:They've already done the Cowboy Episode (at least for a few minutes), the Trial Episode, and the Alien Zoo Episode. I figure Drunk Crew Episode and Nazi Planet Episode should be before midseason break at this rate! I hope there's a gangster planet. Maybe a gangster RAP planet. I also hope someone mentions a sex ghost candle during the course of the series.
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Star Trek has never had a red shirt joke. Those all come from outside of the show, and aren't even all that accurate.
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Rhyno posted:Michael's kind of an odd name for a woman? So?
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Watching The Masterpiece Society. Picard's log mentions a neutron star which I always thought were cool.
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Powered Descent posted:Larry Niven wrote an episode of the animated series, and included the Kzinti. They're canonically in the Star Trek universe. Oh. I know.
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Rhyno posted:It just feels like they did it just to draw attention to it. A-C posted:Addison It is extremely rare for a name to go the other way and when it does, it's usually because it used to be a male name first.
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I like how the black guy's grumpiness was foreshadowed by the way he hovered disapprovingly around his friend's teleconference with Picard
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Star Trek has never had a red shirt joke. Those all come from outside of the show, and aren't even all that accurate. JJ Trek had a red shirt joke.
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Oh this is some real philosophical poo poo about talent and roles in society
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The main Klingon guy spoke Klingon real weird. It's like the actor didn't watch anyone else do it. Also, Michael is a crazy person. And then the captain turned out to be nuts too because she was like "I'mma do a suicide mission." And then they went in to capture that dude and Michael iced him anyway? Like she was mad about him killing the captain or what? It was still pretty good though. They actually sentenced Michael, whereas I swear every other Trek I've seen has had episodes where they just shrug off mutiny. It looks from the previews like the Discovery is transporting her to prison and the captain is a bit unhinged himself, which is a cool way for her to get out of it.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Now it's talking about the morality of allowing disabilities to exist, kind of like the latest episode of the Orville That show charmed me way more than I expected. The humor isn't really that funny, but I find myself loving the spirit of trying to capture the feel of the Star Trek society so well. I'm gonna keep watching it.
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Chopin's prelude gently playing as preliminary tremors shake the planet and Troi and the Administrator guiltily kiss in front of the sunset might be one of the moodiest scenes ever in TNG
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Rhyno posted:It just feels like they did it just to draw attention to it. Main characters should have memorable names, and in 30 years when Michael is probably a unisex or feminine name it'll not be weird anymore.
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"Fifty of our engineers need to transport down" *Five engineers transport down*
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