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Ramadu posted:I'm glad other people wondered what the gently caress rammed the ship out of nowhere. They did. And T'Kuvma directly mentioned what was about to happen in the line immediately preceding that setpiece.
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Actually I'm going to say there's one great scene in the second episode. The helmsman's injured on the bridge, gets concussed, and wanders in to the brig instead of sickbay. He's clearly confused, but he says "we're explorers....we're not soldiers?!" and then the brig is promptly vented and he flys out in to space dead. That scene's a message to all you pussy Trek fans who think this show should be about exploring new worlds or encountering new whatevers. Trek is military fiction now. Eat it, grandpa.
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Sep 26, 2017 13:53
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Drone posted:They did. And T'Kuvma directly mentioned what was about to happen in the line immediately preceding that setpiece. he said he had a cloaked ship but i have no idea what it looked like at all, hence my point of "not knowing what the gently caress rammed them"
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Sep 26, 2017 14:21
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Rhyno is king of bad takes, but the point is moot because Bryan Fuller usually gives his female leads names or nicknames that are traditionally male. I'm more of a prince and I haven't watched any of those shows!
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Sep 26, 2017 14:24
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Ramadu posted:he said he had a cloaked ship but i have no idea what it looked like at all, hence my point of "not knowing what the gently caress rammed them" It looked like this: 
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Sep 26, 2017 14:25
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I took "I accept your ceasefire" followed by ramming as being true to their word. They didn't fire! Should have said "Ceasefire, also no ramming. Also no beaming over with swords." "We can punch though, and kick?" "No." "I agree to your terms." *Headbutts Captain*
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Sep 26, 2017 14:28
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thexerox123 posted:It looked like this: Yeah but I cannot figure out what the gently caress that is! Where does it end? Where does it begin? How big is it? It's the same loving color as everything else's but the ship. It just felt bizarre that we didn't get a top down shot showing the space log or whatever it was to give any sense of scale.
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I figured the admiral's ship was supposed to be a Miranda class. It looks pretty similar.
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So basically from I understand, Michael and the captain are pretty much villains and may or may not be Section 31 and Discovery is basically the polar opposite of what Star Trek is. So... it's kind of like that Star Trek Renegades fanfilm. *sigh*
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Sep 26, 2017 15:10
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Gammatron 64 posted:So basically from I understand, Michael and the captain are pretty much villains and may or may not be Section 31 and Discovery is basically the polar opposite of what Star Trek is. So... it's kind of like that Star Trek Renegades fanfilm. I'll believe this if and when I see it. Need not attribute to malevolence what incompetence can do just fine.
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Sep 26, 2017 15:12
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There's nothing to suggest that Michael will be a villain. Like WTF.
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skasion posted:I'll believe this if and when I see it. Need not attribute to malevolence what incompetence can do just fine. Yeah. I think I'll just pony up the $5, watch it tonight then cancel so I can actually know what I'm talking about. The show is definitely divisive and the fanbase seems to be pretty split down the middle on it. After reading peoples' comments, my expectations are pretty low so maybe I might be pleasantly surprised, I dunno. Echo Chamber posted:There's nothing to suggest that Michael will be a villain. Yeah that wasn't worded right. Some people were suggesting that the captain is a villain and that Michael is just really lovely and unlikable. Again, I haven't actually seen it yet so I have no idea how true this is, I'm just going off what others have said.
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Sep 26, 2017 15:22
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Drone posted:Also wasn't the actual origin of the name explained in DS9 as Section 31 of the Starfleet charter? Yes, although like everything about the organization that could be made up by a handful of like minded agents.
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Sep 26, 2017 15:26
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Arglebargle III posted:Yes, although like everything about the organization that could be made up by a handful of like minded agents. I figured it was like the Men in Black claiming they were "Division 6"
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Sep 26, 2017 15:40
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How did Surak and the klingons see the beacon if they were presumably lightyears away?
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Shibawanko posted:How did Surak and the klingons see the beacon if they were presumably lightyears away? They warped there pretty fast. Subspace hyperspace telegrams are faster than warp, presumably.
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Sep 26, 2017 16:47
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Shibawanko posted:How did Surak and the klingons see the beacon if they were presumably lightyears away? Saavik said he heard about it rather than saw it.
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Sep 26, 2017 16:51
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Arglebargle III posted:Saavik said he heard about it rather than saw it. Why didn't Sybok just come there to say hello to the Klingots himself?
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Sep 26, 2017 16:57
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Shibawanko posted:Surak Arglebargle III posted:Saavik skasion posted:Sybok I'm starting to like this show already.
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Sep 26, 2017 17:06
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Shibawanko posted:How did Surak and the klingons see the beacon if they were presumably lightyears away? Show has the same sense of spacial distance as JJ Trek.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Show has the same sense of spacial distance as JJ Trek. Anyone think the Lateral Transporters is a reference to the long distance nonsense in that movie?
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Trip report: DS9 season 5, episode 25 "The Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy" Well, that's what I remember anyway. I guess it's called "In the Cards" but this is a much better title. Weyoun is such a great character, and of course he would buy into this crazy guy's immortality project. Great light episode to set up the finale. Episode 26 "Call to Arms" This is what the whole season has been building toward, and what a payoff. The cloaked self-replicating mine field is such a perfect Starfleet B.S. magic tech solution, and Weyoun's flabbergasted "Impossible!" at DS9's shields holding up is a great moment in the "Humans: gently caress yeah!" file, only topped later, as I recall, by "Well... time to start packing!"
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Why was the Enterprise-B the only ship in range in the solar system?
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The Bloop posted:Anyone think the Lateral Transporters is a reference to the long distance nonsense in that movie? I think it's a reference to the transporter pad being in the wall and scanning people laterally instead of the usual vertical pads other ships have in the floor.
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Echo Chamber posted:There's nothing to suggest that Michael will be a villain. Well she sure as poo poo isn't a hero. There've been Trek episodes and movies in which characters act exactly the way she does and they're bad, bad dudes. She doesn't so much need a redemption arc as a total character 180. If the series wants to go down the path of her being a genuinely bad person I'm ok with that though.
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Sep 26, 2017 18:01
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I completely agree that Section 31 is a blight on Star Trek, even if they are presented as villains. The fact that they were brought up in Enterprise basically implies that they have been a necessary and effective organization for centuries. It completely undermines the idea that the Federation can succeed by staying true to its principles.
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Bucswabe posted:The fact that they were brought up in Enterprise basically implies that they have been a necessary and effective organization for centuries. Not really. They have no oversight, they may well cause as many problems as they prevent. It just means that the organization is good at self-continuation.
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Sep 26, 2017 18:09
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thexerox123 posted:It looked like this: Is it just me or does that look like the Discovery 1 from 2001: A Space Odyssey?
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Grand Fromage posted:I figured the admiral's ship was supposed to be a Miranda class. It looks pretty similar. I agree. And if you want to play with numerology, the Europa's registry number (NCC-1648) is a rearrangement of the Reliant (NCC-1864). We've seen that sort of thing before, way back in TOS, between Enterprise and Constellation, 1701 vs 1017. Does it mean anything? Nah. I just thought it was neat.
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That ship is clearly a proto-Miranda. There was also a ship in the fleet that looked like a proto-Constellation class.
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I love Star Trek, and I didn't like Discovery. It feels like the Next Generation movies except really amazing looking. And the sheer amount of Klingon subtitles was annoying. Though to be honest, I was just bored most of the time. I need to care about the situation and the characters before I can care that everything got blown up.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Star Trek has never had a red shirt joke. Those all come from outside of the show, and aren't even all that accurate. Red shirt jokes aren't accurate? Red shirts have been killed by being struck by lightning, shot to death by a flower, and one was killed when the rock he stepped on exploded. And that was all in the SAME EPISODE. If anything, red shirt jokes are subtle and understated.
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From the excellent Ex Astris Scientia post on the subject: quote:56 crew members can be confirmed to have died on the original Enterprise's five-year mission (or, to be precise, during the about three years shown in TOS). This gives us 0.7 casualties per episode, or roughly one casualty every three weeks. 26 of those 55 killed men or women were wearing a red shirt or an equivalent red engineering/security uniform. Considering that the shirt color of 15 deceased crew members remains unknown (because they were killed off screen or were not wearing a standard uniform), redshirts easily make up more than 50% of all casualties. The myth that redshirts are more likely killed than other colors can be confirmed. Some of the redshirts were engineers but most performed the duty of a security officer, which may be rated as intrinsically more dangerous and more likely lethal.
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In "water is wet" news, Star Trek Discovery is getting pirated a lot. Combine the fact that nobody wants the CBS streaming service with Star Trek fans being the people most likely to be tech-savvy enough to easily pirate anything.
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Drone posted:There's not a single mention of Enterprise or a hint to it whatsoever besides except referencing the forming races of the Federation. When Tactical is listing off ships arriving, there's a USS Shran in the list.
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The spoken Klingon was so stilted and emotionless, it really cemented my angry old man "not my Klingons!" reaction that the redesign sparked. (Ironically, I watched DIS with my dad, who did not particularly care). I don't remember if it was any official material or just this thread speculating that suggested the redesign was just this one house/cult of Klingon weirdos, but I was really disappointed when the "Giant Nostril, Hairless, Evil Persians from 300" design showed up on every single representative of the 24 houses, not a devious Mongolian expy or glorious hair metal Gowron to be seen. The complete lack of character from T'Kuvma, the albino, the heads of houses, except for "I am vaguely intellectually disgusted and might be considering getting emotional in the next few hours" was so starkly opposed to all the passionate, honorable or scheming or just joie de vivre TOS/TNG/DS9 Klingons that it didn't make them feel like people, just prosthetic-covered plot devices. And god, their Klingonese was just so slow! Did anyone even speak in a different cadence at any point? It seemed like a constant of about one word per sentence. As much as the previously posted issues with Michael's morality were an issue, it's the other half that is just not doing it for me. It would be one thing if they'd "reinvented" the Klingons as someone interesting, I'd still be bitching but at least I'd have some praise. But this was just reducing them to a personality-free, uninteresting The Other, The Enemy. Fine if your point is to explore them more and hammer in the "everyone has their own complexities no matter how weird and simple a culture appears from the outside", but it seemed like they were trying to throw out hooks about Klingon religion, politics, and traditions, they just fell flat. And for all that they were speaking slowly, the actual content just zipped by. It's a little ridiculous as a complaint compared to slow garbage like Farpoint that didn't deserve to be two hours, but I thought they went too far in the other direction; to me it really didn't feel like the DIS premiere had enough exposition, examination, or discussion of any of the concepts they brought up, passed up in favor of effects scenes and DRAMATIC. EMOTIONAL. DECLARATIONS. There was no decompression, no analysis, and while we've advanced as storytellers and audiences past a lot of the hand-holding, really getting into the meaning of a debate "feels like Trek" to me. The dutch angle crap doesn't help, you need a nice unintense discussion scene to break up the action! Exception: the bit with Michael talking the ship computer through the ethical logic of releasing her from the brig was good and exactly the kind of Star Trek problem solving I was hoping for. Silver lining, I guess.
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Thom12255 posted:Why was the Enterprise-B the only ship in range in the solar system? Because all the other ships were busy patrolling the same edge of Federation space as the Shenzhou.
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Pieces of Peace posted:Exception: the bit with Michael talking the ship computer through the ethical logic of releasing her from the brig was good and exactly the kind of Star Trek problem solving I was hoping for. Silver lining, I guess. Agreed. People are bitching about it in the other thread, but I haven't caught up in that thread yet to call them idiots. That was a super federationy move. Still feels more like post TNG than contemporary with Pike, but that's ill-conceived prequels for you.
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Lot of black bars ITT. I mean, I appreciate it, and I'm sure this thread is a lot slower moving than the other one.
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Pieces of Peace posted:
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