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Lord Krangdar posted:The woman Klingon spoke better, and it seems like she is in the next few episodes based on the preview. I don't know why, but during that whole scene I was expecting one of the Klingon house leaders to identify himself as from the House of Duras
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Christ, that other thread is toxic. So glad it's separate. I thought Discovery was slick and engaging. The Klingons were a little silly and overbaked, but I like that they're trying something new with them. (Really, I've always thought the Klingons were mostly sort of dumb, so I'm not too attached to the old style.) I was into watching it, but the bleakness of the whole thing certainly left a bad taste in my mouth at the end. I can see the storytelling and allegorical potential there, and predict they're going to work their way back into optimism through the course of the series (It seems kind of a given TOS prequel.) In a way that could be a welcome antithesis to other serialized shows that get off on dragging their protagonists deeper into antiheroism over their run. For now, though, I'm glad we have Orville, because I'm too depressed from real-life bleakness to really want to see it be a staple of my main space opera at the moment.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Zc8Co2H3w I don't remember the palm punches being as big as the jackhammer but I guess it was
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Firebert posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Zc8Co2H3w They still make those lovely loving videos JFC.
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Re: Klingon diction: The child version in the flashback spoke perfectly well.
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The Bloop posted:Re: Klingon diction: The child version in the flashback spoke perfectly well. The Klingon diction we've heard on the show so far seems formal and dramatic, like someone acting to the back of the theatre. This is probably unintentional, but it works for me until we eventually get to a farmer Klingon tending a field who talks the same way.
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What annoys me is that T'Kuvma's actor, Chris Obi, is really good in American Gods.
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can someone give me a quick rundown of how enterprise depicts the various main races
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mastershakeman posted:can someone give me a quick rundown of how enterprise depicts the various main races a bunch of assholes with poo poo glued to their faces
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Vulcans e judgemental assholes, humans are resentful assholes, Dinobulans are super cool 420 blaze it, Andorians are TNG Klingons, Klingons are Vikings
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah. I think I'll just pony up the $5, watch it tonight then cancel so I can actually know what I'm talking about. Seems like the obvious arc here is Michael is going to get caught up serving under an ethically dubious captain who shares her "shoot first when it's logical" philosophy, she'll end up having some crises of conscience, grow as a person, then the season culminates with her leading a just mutiny having her valor restored. It's gonna be shades of that Voyager "Equinox" story that BSG
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I think my biggest problem with Discovery is that this is not time time for a dark, gritty, everything sucks Star Trek when, well, everything does suck so we should have hopeful, positive show.
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twistedmentat posted:I think my biggest problem with Discovery is that this is not time time for a dark, gritty, everything sucks Star Trek when, well, everything does suck so we should have hopeful, positive show. Yeah, that's basically how I feel. Discovery is a gritty post-9/11 thriller. It's like they took Trek and injected 24 into it, and that just makes it hopelessly behind the times. Maybe it'll veer off in a different direction, but based on these first two episodes and the preview, I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Sep 26, 2017 23:04
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Vulcans e judgemental assholes, humans are resentful assholes, Dinobulans are super cool 420 blaze it, Andorians are TNG Klingons, Klingons are Vikings so Klingons are...good?
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The_Doctor posted:What annoys me is that T'Kuvma's actor, Chris Obi, is really good in American Gods. Holy poo poo, what a waste. It's Chris Eccleston in Thor 2 all over again. twistedmentat posted:I think my biggest problem with Discovery is that this is not time time for a dark, gritty, everything sucks Star Trek when, well, everything does suck so we should have hopeful, positive show. It's NEVER the time for a gritty dark Star Trek.
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mastershakeman posted:so Klingons are...good? yeah the Klingomen in Enterprise were okay
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I don't get all the "Discovery is grimdark" talk. We've seen two episodes. Like c'mon. They even inserted a speech about how it's important to explore the unknown... or that also bad too now?
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Do you know of any happy upbeat stories that open with the protagonist accidentally killing someone, assaulting her mentor, lying to her friends, watching her mentor get stabbed to death and getting thrown in jail for life?
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Echo Chamber posted:I don't get all the "Discovery is grimdark" talk. We've seen two episodes. Like c'mon. "Travel the galaxy, meet fascinating life-forms... and kill them."
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Echo Chamber posted:I don't get all the "Discovery is grimdark" talk. We've seen two episodes. Like c'mon. Either the pilot set the tone for the series or it's a giant red herring. Either way, I challenge you to find more than a morsel of unpunished optimism in those two hours.
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McSpanky posted:Either the pilot set the tone for the series or it's a giant red herring. Either way, I challenge you to find more than a morsel of unpunished optimism in those two hours. There was that klingon overcoming racial and class barriers.
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McSpanky posted:Either the pilot set the tone for the series or it's a giant red herring. Either way, I challenge you to find more than a morsel of unpunished optimism in those two hours.
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PetraCore posted:Micheal got out of her cell because she'd have died if she stayed in, and also she helped save a guy when she could have manipulated him because he was so out of it. He died anyway but that's not a punishment. "We're supposed to be explorers, not soldiers!" *gets blown into the vacuum by Klingon weapons fire*  If that isn't the darkest dramatic irony I don't know what is.
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The majority of the first episode was optimistic and idealistic. Then a conflict was introduced so that there would be contrasting themes to make a good story out of.
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PetraCore posted:Micheal got out of her cell because she'd have died if she stayed in, and also she helped save a guy when she could have manipulated him because he was so out of it. He died anyway but that's not a punishment. Yeah, it's important to focus on the crimes Burnham didn't commit!
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Thom12255 posted:The majority of the first episode was optimistic and idealistic. Then a conflict was introduced so that there would be contrasting themes to make a good story out of. Nice try.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Actually I'm going to say there's one great scene in the second episode. The helmsman's injured on the bridge, gets concussed, and wanders in to the brig instead of sickbay. He's clearly confused, but he says "we're explorers....we're not soldiers?!" and then the brig is promptly vented and he flys out in to space dead. I just realized something...Admiral Marcus is alive and well during the time of Discovery. This is canon.  
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Watching Conundrum. I love Picard still being excited about finding new intelligent life even though they've met so many already
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I'm enjoying all the vignetttes that don't seem related to the main plot. Now Picard's leaving the shields down as a show of good faith, hopefully that doesn't backfire.
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They scanned so hard it got through the shields, now everybody's disoriented including me because the cameras were taken off their tripods
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Pakled posted:Yeah, that's basically how I feel. Discovery is a gritty post-9/11 thriller. It's like they took Trek and injected 24 into it, and that just makes it hopelessly behind the times. Maybe it'll veer off in a different direction, but based on these first two episodes and the preview, I'm not getting my hopes up. Echoing this sentiment. I have nothing against dark, morally ambiguous sci-fi. Heck, I really enjoy a lot of series like that. I like Battlestar Galactica and I'm a big fan of Gundam. But... that's not Star Trek. That, and you know, shows like that are a dime a dozen. If you want dark and depressing science fiction, you don't have to look very hard. I mean hell, the vast majority of it that has been made since 9/11 is like that. Hell, even a lot of it from before then is like that. Just because other shows want gritty realism doesn't mean Star Trek should. If you do, then you're getting rid of the thing that makes Star Trek unique and different from basically everything else. That, and real life is actually pretty depressing these days to the point where I refuse to watch the news anymore. You know... could we just get one sci-fi show that's optimistic and actually has faith in humanity? I mean, that's kind of why I wanted more Star Trek in the first place.
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Having Riker and Ro Laren's memories erased actually seems to be helping them work through their problems Also I'm glad they had the explicit memories wiped but the implicit ones left intact.
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Wait a second is the three-pip extra we've never seen before a spy sent onboard by the other ship? I want to go back and check if he was there right before they were hit but I feel like it'd be cheating.
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