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Majorian posted:OPCW seized and destroyed 1,300 metric tons of banned material. It may not have completely eliminated Assad's ability to use WMDs, but it seriously limited the scope of his capabilities, and undoubtedly saved hundreds if not thousands of lives that would have otherwise been lost. Acting like that's nothing is just ridiculous. This is an extremely uninformed opinion rooted in partisan ideology, not fact. It didn't limit the scope of Assad's capabilities any more than he allowed it to. You ever see a Syrian, you put your head down in shame, because you cared more about political points than you did their lives.
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Hey so how about those US politics in this here USPOL thread? Like the politics that are currently skull loving Puerto Rico, the mango madman that's talking about Puerto Rico's debt when he can finally get done Twitter-making GBS threads about football, and the truly shocking humanitarian crisis that's brewing with US citizens? Cause that's definitely a thing right now.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:31
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VitalSigns posted:I'm sorry about your priapism, if only Obama had murdered enough Arabs to allow you to finally ejaculate, hey better luck these next 4 years Shhhh, the adults are talking.
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Condiv posted:i wasn't arguing this though? i dunno why you guys keep trying to expand my argument well beyond its scope (other than you desperately want to claim i'm wrong) you didn't have an argument beyond obama bad, world violent until you googled evidence to support what you concluded in response to obamas statement and not the evidence available. quote:as for me complimenting you being condescension, that's just silly. that would mean i can't compliment people for traits i lack, even if i think they are good traits ya you're a lost cause. good luck!
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Sep 27, 2017 03:37
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Volkerball posted:This is an extremely uninformed opinion rooted in partisan ideology, not fact.  I actually gave a fairly precise number for how much CW material OPCW destroyed. But okay, VB, keep yearning for a new golden age of neoconservatism.
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Sep 27, 2017 03:39
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Volkerball posted:This is an extremely uninformed opinion rooted in partisan ideology, not fact. It didn't limit the scope of Assad's capabilities any more than he allowed it to. You ever see a Syrian, you put your head down in shame, because you cared more about political points than you did their lives. Hey buck up champ, maybe Trump will slaughter a bunch of North Koreans. I know they're not Arab or Persian, but hey they're still scary and foreign so it should be just as nice for your dick.
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Majorian posted:
A number that you arbitrarily weighed the importance of, and made speculative claims about based on your own politics.
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skylined! posted:you didn't have an argument beyond obama bad, world violent until you googled evidence to support what you concluded in response to obamas statement and not the evidence available. the evidence available that you just disproved? cause your study says things were more peaceful during bush and not during the 2009-2016 period of obama's presidency (not that obama's to blame for this, in all likelihood the violence in the world during his presidency is a result of bush's policies) seems like i was right to doubt that the world of today is more peaceful than it has ever been. especially since your study showed a p strong uptick in violence again in 2016. you can argue "well compared to all of human history..." but i clearly wasn't arguing from the scope of all of human history, or me bringing up nazis calling for jews to be gassed would be immediately recognizeable as less violent than them actually gassing them during the holocaust quote:ya you're a lost cause. good luck! i wasn't condescending to you skylined. sorry Condiv fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:Hey buck up champ, maybe Trump will slaughter a bunch of North Koreans. If you're going to be dumb and childish, and contribute nothing to the thread, could you at least try to be funny?
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Volkerball posted:A number that you arbitrarily weighed the importance of, and made speculative claims about based on your own politics. Uh huh, did your totally real and not at all made up Syrian friend tell you that? The one who told you that John McCain is a hero to Syrian refugees? 
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Volkerball posted:If you're going to be dumb and childish, and contribute nothing to the thread, could you at least try to be funny? Hey I sympathize, I'd be in a bad mood too if I hadn't been able to orgasm since Bush signed SOFA
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Majorian posted:Uh huh, did your totally real and not at all made up Syrian friend tell you that? The one who told you that John McCain is a hero to Syrian refugees? It's pretty obvious you moved the goalposts and have now given yourself a card to deny any culpability in any future chemical attack by just claiming yeah it's no good but it would've been worse without the deal, because Assad has less CW now, and his capabilities aren't what they used to be. Believe me. It's one of those ideological arguments where no matter what happens, no matter how many innocent children choke to death, you never have to re-evaluate. That's a really weak foundation for a solid objective opinion, and the bullshit coming out of your mouth is suffering for it.
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Jizz Festival posted:You don't need to look at the price trends, you can look directly at units sold as compared to production. Also I'm not sure why you think that goods wouldn't have prices in a centrally-planned economy. They do have prices, but those prices aren't reflective of demand or in many cases of anything. In a centrally-planned economy, the base price can start with the inputs and then what... how do you estimate subjective demand prior to selling a single a unit? Or even while selling any number of units when you're underproducing? How do you know the difference between people not buying a product because it is shoddy versus because they don't need it? How do you know people are buying a product in droves despite the fact that it's shoddy, because there are no alternatives available? How do you estimate demand for something that hasn't been invented yet (i.e. potential demand for improved technology, goods, etc)? While it's true that inelastic demand is largely predictable (you need about 2000 calories and at least 1500ml of water to survive), elastic demand is much harder to estimate. I guess you could repeatedly poll the population, but we know from a variety of studies that polls don't actually reflect preferences in a variety of instances. Ultimately, there is no decent mechanism yet developed of estimating demand without some kind of free-market mechanic. The history of the USSR pretty much proves this. Prices even for basic goods like meat and eggs were largely political symbols. When the public grumbled, the price of meat went down, when the state felt it could raise the price, it did so. These were free-floating prices. Without competing products it was impossible to determine what was driving demand and how it was to be qualified. There are a lot of flaws with how demand actually resolves itself in the free market. It can be manipulated, it can be unreasonable, it can drive pointless consumption. However, the ability to compare demand for two very similar products or across dissimilar products is a very powerful tool (A/B testing, if you will) that pretty much doesn't exist in centrally planned economies. It is a significant part of why each of these economies eventually fell to consumerist revolutions. If you want to avoid the same for whatever future society you'd like to build, this is something important to work out.
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VitalSigns posted:Hey I sympathize, I'd be in a bad mood too if I hadn't been able to orgasm since Bush signed SOFA Do you have any real arguments or... ?
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Tulip posted:Could you name such a date? The late 90s/early 00s? You know, before the Global War on Terror, the total destabilization of the Middle East, the Great Recession, the global right-wing resurgence, nuclear Iran and North Korea, the Israeli swing toward extremism, and the new wave of Russian expansionism? To say nothing of global warming, the slow demise of the nuclear industry, the growth of the antivax movement, the dismantling of labor rights and minority protections all over the world, and more. Sure, we have iPhones now, but when it comes to peace, stability, and general prosperity, poo poo has been going downhill ever since the turn of the century. I won't go so far as to claim that's the correct answer, though, because there is no correct answer. It's simply too large and vague a premise to meaningfully quantify or logically argue - first you have to define "best", and that's philosophy, not politics.
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Main Paineframe posted:The late 90s/early 00s? You know, before the Global War on Terror, the total destabilization of the Middle East, the Great Recession, the global right-wing resurgence, nuclear Iran and North Korea, the Israeli swing toward extremism, and the new wave of Russian expansionism? To say nothing of global warming, the slow demise of the nuclear industry, the growth of the antivax movement, the dismantling of labor rights and minority protections all over the world, and more. Sure, we have iPhones now, but when it comes to peace, stability, and general prosperity, poo poo has been going downhill ever since the turn of the century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g Shits been hosed a long time. You just recently became aware of it. Things today are still better than things in the past though.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Do you have any real arguments or... ? There's no point, it's Volkerball. I engaged him in good faith exactly once, about the Iran deal, and all he did was endlessly regurgitate what Sean Hannity told him about Obummer shipping pallets of hundreds of billions of dollars to the mullahs to fund radical Islamic terrorism. All Volkerball's neocon brain cares about is getting a dopamine rush from American bombs falling on foreign children and he will say anything he thinks will edge that closer to happening, the only thing to do when he starts going on about how bombing schools and hospitals would solve the world's problems is to mock his ghoulish murder fetish until he gets mad and goes away.
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Main Paineframe posted:The late 90s/early 00s? You know, before the Global War on Terror, the total destabilization of the Middle East, the Great Recession, the global right-wing resurgence, nuclear Iran and North Korea, the Israeli swing toward extremism, and the new wave of Russian expansionism? To say nothing of global warming, the slow demise of the nuclear industry, the growth of the antivax movement, the dismantling of labor rights and minority protections all over the world, and more. Sure, we have iPhones now, but when it comes to peace, stability, and general prosperity, poo poo has been going downhill ever since the turn of the century. I feel like we're really turning a corner into a multipolar world with fascism and capitalist crisis loving the world in new ways, along with global warming. Like, the future is not going to be the past and we're not going to like it. There might be a slight lag before poo poo really starts hitting and I think we're in it, like the pause after the roller coaster gets to the top of the hill or that moment right before the coyote looks down and sees that he's kept walking right off the cliff. I don't share Obama's optimism despite his confidence that his drone strikes caused less aggregate suffering than Clinton missile strikes, is what I'm saying.
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Syrian refugees:quote:"Not a single placard or slogan is condemning Assad. I asked them respectfully to say few words on the megaphone and they said no and tried their best to ignore my presence. Majorian and VS: https://twitter.com/iancollinsuk/status/851185502527139841 Volkerball fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:There's no point, it's Volkerball. I engaged him in good faith exactly once, about the Iran deal, and all he did was endlessly regurgitate what Sean Hannity told him about Obummer shipping pallets of hundreds of billions of dollars to the mullahs to fund radical Islamic terrorism. Whatever the problems with Volkerball's arguments (and there are many), I would say that claiming that he lusts for the the deaths of foreign children is pretty much beyond the pale. It's really not consistent with his posting or arguments so far. Ultimately we'd all be pro-interventionist if it could in fact somehow shorten conflicts or protect civilians in the ME. The fact that it almost never does is the big blind spot for people like Vb.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Whatever the problems with Volkerball's arguments (and there are many), I would say that claiming that he lusts for the the deaths of foreign children is pretty much beyond the pale. It's really not consistent with his posting or arguments so far. Ultimately we'd all be pro-interventionist if it could in fact somehow shorten conflicts or protect civilians in the ME. The fact that it almost never does is the big blind spot for people like Vb. lmao yes of course, slaughtering Syrian children is well within the bounds of polite discussion, but don't hurt warmongers with your high explosive words Vitalsigns that's just beyond the pale of civilized behavior. Volkerball posted:Syrian refugees: Bush & Cheney publicized Iraqi refugees who had been abused by Saddam's odious government who argued that Iraqis just couldn't wait to be bombed too, how did that turn out.
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So Roy Moore just won the nomination for Jeff Sessions' old U.S. Senate seat. Leave it to the great folks of the Great State of Alabama to make the worst possible decisions. Then again, maybe Doug Jones finally has a fighting chance of winning, now. 
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Domestic Amuse posted:So Roy Moore just won the nomination for Jeff Sessions' old U.S. Senate seat. I think it's ultimately a lateral move. Moore's an unbelievable loon, but hey, so is Sessions, so is Strange. The only difference is, Trump and McConnell put their chips on Strange, and lost badly.
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sorry for my part in the derail https://twitter.com/bbcjamescook/status/912747165545488386 
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VitalSigns posted:lmao yes of course, slaughtering Syrian children is well within the bounds of polite discussion, but don't hurt warmongers with your high explosive words Vitalsigns that's just beyond the pale of civilized behavior. He's saying you're beating up a straw man, child. quote:Bush & Cheney publicized Iraqi refugees who had been abused by Saddam's odious government who argued that Iraqis just couldn't wait to be bombed too, how did that turn out. I'd enjoy watching you whitesplain this to Hassan, who clearly knows less about what happened in his neighboring country than you, who read an article one time. If you could not make weird references to his dick while you did it tho, I'm sure everyone on Earth would appreciate it. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Look she's not exactly wrong.
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skylined! posted:sorry for my part in the derail There are going to be corpses everywhere and that bloated cheeto mongrel is going to be directly responsible.
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Main Paineframe posted:The late 90s/early 00s? You know, before the Global War on Terror, the total destabilization of the Middle East, the Great Recession, the global right-wing resurgence, nuclear Iran and North Korea, the Israeli swing toward extremism, and the new wave of Russian expansionism? To say nothing of global warming, the slow demise of the nuclear industry, the growth of the antivax movement, the dismantling of labor rights and minority protections all over the world, and more. Sure, we have iPhones now, but when it comes to peace, stability, and general prosperity, poo poo has been going downhill ever since the turn of the century. 2nd Congo War, Sierra Leone, Kosovo...there was plenty of poo poo that happened in that time.
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Volkerball posted:He's saying you're beating up a straw man, child. No what I said about you is accurate, all you care about is American bombs falling on foreign children, your Fox news quality arguments attest to that. Volkerball posted:I'd enjoy watching you whitesplain this to Hassan, who clearly knows less about what happened in his neighboring country than you, who read an article one time. If you could not make weird references to his dick while you did it tho, I'm sure everyone on Earth would appreciate it. Sure let me get on that right after you explain to 150,000+ Iraqis how actually it's good they're dead because see Bush found one Iraqi in 2002 who assured him they wanted America to tear their country apart with war, please try to keep the gleeful expression off your face when you talk about their dead families. You're almost as good at finding a foreigner to hide behind while you justify slaughtering hundreds of thousands of them as Bush was!
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skylined! posted:sorry for my part in the derail Goddamn. Is anyone leading private efforts to get food and clean water out to folks in P.R.? Please say yes.
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Domestic Amuse posted:So Roy Moore just won the nomination for Jeff Sessions' old U.S. Senate seat. Moore might even be better because Strange agrees with Moore on every single hideous evil Republican policy, but based on his comments about GCHJ Moore sounds like a Rand Paul style loon who will oppose some stuff for insane reasons that it's not conservative enough whereas Strange is a yes-man for the GOP agenda. Or maybe the Democrat will win and it's not the worst timeline.
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VitalSigns posted:lmao yes of course, slaughtering Syrian children is well within the bounds of polite discussion, but don't hurt warmongers with your high explosive words Vitalsigns that's just beyond the pale of civilized behavior. Yeah, that's not the argument I'm making. More like... VB takes crappy positions on intervention for reasons that are probably more relatable than we all care to admit.
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VitalSigns posted:Moore might even be better because Strange agrees with Moore on every single hideous evil Republican policy, but based on his comments about GCHJ Moore sounds like a Rand Paul style loon who will oppose some stuff for insane reasons that it's not conservative enough whereas Strange is a yes-man for the GOP agenda. Democrats won't win. That state is solid red.
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VitalSigns posted:Moore might even be better because Strange agrees with Moore on every single hideous evil Republican policy, but based on his comments about GCHJ Moore sounds like a Rand Paul style loon who will oppose some stuff for insane reasons that it's not conservative enough whereas Strange is a yes-man for the GOP agenda. Moore's problem is he literally doesn't believe in the rule of law, like he's explicitly said so, he believes the bible is a greater authority than the Constitution and that the Bible is the supreme law of the land over everything. And by that he means his personal interpretation of the bible. He may very soon get to place blocks on federal court judge nominees.
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VitalSigns posted:No what I said about you is accurate, all you care about is American bombs falling on foreign children, your Fox news quality arguments attest to that. It's telling that you have such an Amero-centric view on the middle east that the position I'm coming at you from isn't even on your radar, so you just lump it in with FOX News. I don't support the Iraq war, and I can't recall any people like Hassan I've spoken to who do either. Rather, they have the full context of the debate, and you only have a piece. They know what Trump and some of the more hateful neocons stand for, and they know it's bad. But unlike you, they have to suffer under the dictatorships you nonchalantly ignore. They feel the pain you can simply handwave away. For them it's not that easy. They have to fight, and they need allies, so they have no choice but to work for something better. They're stuck between a rock and a hard place. But from your vantage point, all you see is a rock, no pun intended. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Domestic Amuse posted:Goddamn. Is anyone leading private efforts to get food and clean water out to folks in P.R.? Please say yes. It's not that simple to do.. Remember the irish potato famine? This is Trump's Irish Potato Famine. edit: holy poo poo I did not realize how apt comparing Puerto Rico & Ireland was but that's a spot on comparison. ThisIsWhyTrumpWon fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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Angry_Ed posted:First off The incorrect part is that Obama said it, it's like that "Obama and the robots" comic.
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Condiv posted:5 years ago it wasn't this bad Weren't you just saying.Bernie is about to save us all? If you really believe that, then it's great we're 5 years closer. But then you'd have to agree with Obama about something... 
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