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Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

Rime posted:

That's loving amazing. Generating at 25% of capacity while in the poo poo of a cat 4 hurricane?

Yeah PV actually gives me hope that we'll be able to survive our stormy hellscape future to some degree. Wind farms handled Harvey fine as well

Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Sep 27, 2017

# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:03

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# ? May 14, 2024 14:00

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

what if the trees were planted and harvested by solar powered robots and then wrapped in saran wrap so the carbon couldn't escape

# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:06

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

StabbinHobo posted:

what if the trees were planted and harvested by solar powered robots and then wrapped in saran wrap so the carbon couldn't escape

i do think solar power and automation are going to make reforestation on a massive scale more achievable than it is at the moment

# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:29

farraday: Jan 10, 2007; Lower those eyebrows, young man. And the other one.

Rime posted:

That's loving amazing. Generating at 25% of capacity while in the poo poo of a cat 4 hurricane?

There's no way the wind speed facts presented in that story are true. Sustained 275 kph winds (which are well above the stated design tolerance) would mean Irma had high category 5 winds 50 km away from the eye wall. This doesn't happen and is at odds with the incredibly light wind damage Antigua experienced. The NHC had Antigua right on the line between Tropical storm/Hurricane force winds which would suggest wind speeds in the 120 kph range.

That's a press release slightly rewitten to claim it's a news article with exactly the sort of strict adherence to fact you'd expect from a company trying to sell its product.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:49

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Remember, if it gives you hope, it's fake news.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:28

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

VideoGameVet posted:

Or not:

Antigua's well-built PV systems sustain impact of hurricane Irma

Antigua at only 50 km distance from the eye of the storm and well within the devastating display of natural forces suffered less damage, but was affected seriously as well with sustained winds exceeding at times 275 km/h.

This devastating natural disaster has even more underlined the importance of a diligent and reliable approach in terms of planning and installing PV solar systems in hurricane-prone regions.

Since the clean energy provider PV Energy has already beforehand adapted the design, mounting and structuring of its solar power racking systems and solar panels to the potential risk of hurricanes almost all solar systems designed and installed by PV Energy sustained the devastation through Irma.

Designed to withstand hurricanes of up to the category 4, each of the 55 solar power installations on Antigua, ranging from several kWp to the 3 MWp and 4 MWp utility scale installations at the international airport of Antigua and in the Lavington/Bethesda region with a total of 38,000 panels mounted, have survived hurricane Irma without damages or substantial system failures.

One of these PV systems, based on a 50 kWp sun2safe hybrid converter, was even able to generate 25% of its maximum expected performance during the worst hours of the hurricane, thanks to its proprietary MPPT tracking algorithm which is able to optimise the production even under extreme weather conditions.

"This experience confirms our commitment to supplying tier one equipment only and adopt proven, reliable and diligently calculated and designed engineering solutions", states PV Energy's Chief Technical Officer Thomas Beindorf.

Load test for racking systems, ramming depths for the pillars of the substructures as well as reinforced frames and modules are just a few key factors to be considered for planning and installing robust solar energy plants.

I thought solar city only did rooftop solar, not these types of heavy infrastructure deployments?

Also if there were hurricane force sustained winds in antigua you should tell the national hurricane center because they'd surely like to know about it.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/031543.shtml

# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:39

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Weird that links to the nhc don't work well.

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# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:40

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

hobbesmaster posted:

Weird that links to the nhc don't work well.

You are looking at the wrong hurricane, Irma hit Antigua with hurricane force winds (although nowhere near as strong as places that received a direct hit like Barbuda)

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2017/hurricane-irma

# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:46

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

You are looking at the wrong hurricane, Irma hit Antigua with hurricane force winds (although nowhere near as strong as places that received a direct hit like Barbuda)

https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2017/hurricane-irma

Ooops, yeah, just the edge. Most of the island is not shown as receiving hurricane strength winds.

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# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:54

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Billzasilver posted:

I understand what the idea is. It's a hilariously bad carbon capture idea. Without hyperbole, it might be the worst idea I've ever heard.

Do you honestly support it in any way?

What makes it the worst idea you've ever heard?

# ? Sep 27, 2017 11:46

Billzasilver: Nov 8, 2016; I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?

Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry.

Background posted:

Dry wood contains about 50 % carbon [14] and can be stored for example in decommissioned coal mines or in facilities near the forests in the long term. By using timber in fairly long-lasting applications (buildings, furniture), carbon storage could be even less expensive and more attractive.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 13:18

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Billzasilver posted:

For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry.

the timber industry isn't large scale enough and also isn't limited to factory farming sacrificial land instead of chopping down trees in valuable habitats

# ? Sep 27, 2017 13:46

WorldsStongestNerd: Apr 28, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Ive got it people. Wooden roads for carbon storage. Not joking look up "plank roads".

A coast to coast wooden highway with wooden bridges.......

In all seriousness i wonder how much carbon in locked in railroad crossties. They have a 30 -50 year life.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 14:26

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Billzasilver posted:

For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry.

Buildings hmm? Assuming you wanted to offset US emissions entirely, using pine, you could construct a massive wall with a cross section about a third the size of a football field along the entire US-Mexican border, each year.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 14:56

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:

Ive got it people. Wooden roads for carbon storage. Not joking look up "plank roads".

A coast to coast wooden highway with wooden bridges.......

Not to even get into the many reasons why the plank road boom turned to bust, if you put the wood down on the surface of the earth it's just going to rot and give up its CO2 anyways.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 15:21

Billzasilver: Nov 8, 2016; I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?

Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

Lmao wtf is sacrificial land

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Buildings hmm? Assuming you wanted to offset US emissions entirely, using pine, you could construct a massive wall with a cross section about a third the size of a football field along the entire US-Mexican border, each year.

That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 15:49

twodot: Aug 7, 2005; You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Billzasilver posted:

That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.

Uh, you're the one that proposed dealing with the normal timber industry in the first place. Like I wouldn't be surprised if growing pine was a bad way to sequester carbon, but you seem to be the one who proposed it.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 16:04

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Billzasilver posted:

That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.

You only need to wait that long if you want high quality wood, and in this case garbage tier wood is probably fine, in which case you have access to species which have been genetically modified for rapid growth for use in wood pellet production. Using trangenic eucalyptus, you'd only need to set aside an area the size of Missouri to offset America's carbon emissions, and you get the nice fresh eucalyptus smell for free.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 16:07

Billzasilver: Nov 8, 2016; I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?

Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

twodot posted:

Uh, you're the one that proposed dealing with the normal timber industry in the first place. Like I wouldn't be surprised if growing pine was a bad way to sequester carbon, but you seem to be the one who proposed it.

No, I absolutely hate the plan. I just pulled a quote from the article shared on the last page.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 16:36

twodot: Aug 7, 2005; You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Billzasilver posted:

No, I absolutely hate the plan. I just pulled a quote from the article shared on the last page.

You're not making any sense. Here's you saying dealing with the timber industry and making buildings is better than storing whatever plant is best to sequester carbon:

Billzasilver posted:

For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry.

Here's a person explaining why buildings and the standard timber industry is not appropriate for the goal of sequestering carbon:

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Buildings hmm? Assuming you wanted to offset US emissions entirely, using pine, you could construct a massive wall with a cross section about a third the size of a football field along the entire US-Mexican border, each year.

Here's you saying that dealing with the standard timber industry is obviously suboptimal, and we would instead use some other plant more appropriate for sequestering carbon:

Billzasilver posted:

That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.

Regardless of whether you think plant storage is a good idea you can't have this both ways.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 17:42

Billzasilver: Nov 8, 2016; I lift my drink and sing a song

for who knows if life is short or long?

Man's life is like the morning dew

past days many, future days few

Plant storage is a poo poo-tastic idea

Using it in the timber industry is a piss-poor idea

# ? Sep 27, 2017 18:20

WorldsStongestNerd: Apr 28, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Mozi posted:

Not to even get into the many reasons why the plank road boom turned to bust, if you put the wood down on the surface of the earth it's just going to rot and give up its CO2 anyways.

Hmmm really? You don't say?

# ? Sep 27, 2017 18:25

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

hobbesmaster posted:

I thought solar city only did rooftop solar, not these types of heavy infrastructure deployments?

Also if there were hurricane force sustained winds in antigua you should tell the national hurricane center because they'd surely like to know about it.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/031543.shtml

They are doing some large projects in Australia:

Tesla wins bid to build world�s largest lithium-ion battery for South Australia

esla CEO Elon Musk promised back in March that his electric car company, which also owns solar energy provider SolarCity, could help the state of South Australia with its routine weather-caused blackout issues. At the time, Musk said Tesla was so serious about the endeavor, he wrote on Twitter that the project could be completed within 100 days of a signed deal or it�d come free of charge. Now, Tesla is getting the opportunity to make good on that promise, as the company has won the government of South Australia�s bid to build what would be the world�s largest lithium-ion battery.

Tesla beat out 91 international bidders for the project � perhaps because of Musk�s clout (and proven track record) and his audacious claim to waive the installation fee � to supply South Australia with a 100-megawatt lithium-ion energy storage solution. It would be the largest lithium-ion battery system ever made, and it appears to involve a substantial scaling up of Tesla�s current commercial Powerpack system first unveiled back in 2015.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:04

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:

Hmmm really? You don't say?

Sorry, my iron-y-meter needs calibration.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:08

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Billzasilver posted:

Lmao wtf is sacrificial land

land where any valuable habitats have already been destroyed, so if you're doing something large scale and potentially damaging you should do it there

# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:13

double nine: Aug 8, 2013

so Indian burial grounds?

# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:40

El Laucha: Oct 9, 2012

Just send a nuke to make a hole in the ozone layer and let all that CO2 escape into space. Quick and easy!

# ? Sep 27, 2017 20:53

Burt Buckle: Sep 1, 2011

double nine posted:

so Indian burial grounds?

Oh god that's just what we need to compound the problems of climate change, loving Indian ghosts.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 21:09

DesperateDan: Dec 10, 2005; Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.

Throwing logs down a mine does sound like a chuckle but throwing fossil fuel company ceo's/stockholders down mine shafts till there aren't any left would be far more efficient. And hillarious. "NO NO I JUST WANTED TO BE RIIIIIIIIIIIII_{IICCC_CCHHHHH}" *splat*

# ? Sep 27, 2017 21:32

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

DesperateDan posted:

Throwing logs down a mine does sound like a chuckle but throwing fossil fuel company ceo's/stockholders down mine shafts till there aren't any left would be far more efficient. And hillarious. "NO NO I JUST WANTED TO BE RIIIIIIIIIIIII_{IICCC_CCHHHHH}" *splat*

Ok let's reach a compromise solution like good liberals here. Tie the fossil fuel fat cats to logs, throw them down mineshafts, and crush them under more logs.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 21:56

SlimGoodbody: Oct 20, 2003

blowfish posted:

Ok let's reach a compromise solution like good liberals here. Tie the fossil fuel fat cats to logs, throw them down mineshafts, and crush them under more logs.

What are you running for and where can I vote for you

# ? Sep 27, 2017 22:17

Unormal: Nov 16, 2004; Mod sass? This evening?! But the cakes aren't ready! THE CAKES!; Fun Shoe

Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, sail them to the deepest ocean trench and sink them with all hands. Repeat until carbon problem solved.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:08

VideoGameVet: May 14, 2005; It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Unormal posted:

Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, sail them to the deepest ocean trench and sink them with all hands. Repeat until carbon problem solved.

Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, live on them, raise purple berries, after Trump starts Global Thermonuclear War.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:28

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die; Nap Ghost

Genetically engineer trees that grow downwards into the earth, thus self-sequestering.

# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:37

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

slaughter every imperialist pig that attempts to redevelop an island and let mangroves take back over the coasts

# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:53

Banana Man: Oct 2, 2015; mm time 2 gargle piss and shit

lay on your back and poo poo on your face

# ? Sep 28, 2017 07:20

Bates: Jun 15, 2006

Oil contains more carbon than trees so let's just buy that and sequester it in the oceans.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 12:49

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

tax credits for pre-sequestering

# ? Sep 28, 2017 13:19

Digiwizzard: Dec 23, 2003; Pork Pro

Things have gotten so desperate and broke brained that theorycrafters are trying to minmax the biosphere.

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Digiwizzard: Dec 23, 2003; Pork Pro

The calculations show that human civilization can be saved by throwing trees down mine shafts, but only if you build up speed for 12 hours and use 0.5 a presses.

# ? Sep 28, 2017 13:38

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