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Rime posted:That's loving amazing. Generating at 25% of capacity while in the poo poo of a cat 4 hurricane? Yeah PV actually gives me hope that we'll be able to survive our stormy hellscape future to some degree. Wind farms handled Harvey fine as well Notorious R.I.M. fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Sep 27, 2017 |
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what if the trees were planted and harvested by solar powered robots and then wrapped in saran wrap so the carbon couldn't escape
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:06 |
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StabbinHobo posted:what if the trees were planted and harvested by solar powered robots and then wrapped in saran wrap so the carbon couldn't escape
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Rime posted:That's loving amazing. Generating at 25% of capacity while in the poo poo of a cat 4 hurricane? There's no way the wind speed facts presented in that story are true. Sustained 275 kph winds (which are well above the stated design tolerance) would mean Irma had high category 5 winds 50 km away from the eye wall. This doesn't happen and is at odds with the incredibly light wind damage Antigua experienced. The NHC had Antigua right on the line between Tropical storm/Hurricane force winds which would suggest wind speeds in the 120 kph range. That's a press release slightly rewitten to claim it's a news article with exactly the sort of strict adherence to fact you'd expect from a company trying to sell its product.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 03:49 |
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Remember, if it gives you hope, it's fake news.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:28 |
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VideoGameVet posted:Or not: I thought solar city only did rooftop solar, not these types of heavy infrastructure deployments? Also if there were hurricane force sustained winds in antigua you should tell the national hurricane center because they'd surely like to know about it. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/031543.shtml
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:39 |
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Weird that links to the nhc don't work well.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 04:40 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Weird that links to the nhc don't work well. You are looking at the wrong hurricane, Irma hit Antigua with hurricane force winds (although nowhere near as strong as places that received a direct hit like Barbuda) https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/atlantic/2017/hurricane-irma
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:You are looking at the wrong hurricane, Irma hit Antigua with hurricane force winds (although nowhere near as strong as places that received a direct hit like Barbuda) Ooops, yeah, just the edge. Most of the island is not shown as receiving hurricane strength winds.
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Billzasilver posted:I understand what the idea is. It's a hilariously bad carbon capture idea. Without hyperbole, it might be the worst idea I've ever heard. What makes it the worst idea you've ever heard?
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For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry. Background posted:Dry wood contains about 50 % carbon [14] and can be stored for example in decommissioned coal mines or in facilities near the forests in the long term. By using timber in fairly long-lasting applications (buildings, furniture), carbon storage could be even less expensive and more attractive.
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Billzasilver posted:For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry. the timber industry isn't large scale enough and also isn't limited to factory farming sacrificial land instead of chopping down trees in valuable habitats
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 13:46 |
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Ive got it people. Wooden roads for carbon storage. Not joking look up "plank roads". A coast to coast wooden highway with wooden bridges....... In all seriousness i wonder how much carbon in locked in railroad crossties. They have a 30 -50 year life.
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Billzasilver posted:For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Ive got it people. Wooden roads for carbon storage. Not joking look up "plank roads". Not to even get into the many reasons why the plank road boom turned to bust, if you put the wood down on the surface of the earth it's just going to rot and give up its CO2 anyways.
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Lmao wtf is sacrificial land A Buttery Pastry posted:Buildings hmm? Assuming you wanted to offset US emissions entirely, using pine, you could construct a massive wall with a cross section about a third the size of a football field along the entire US-Mexican border, each year. That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.
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Billzasilver posted:That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.
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Billzasilver posted:That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.
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twodot posted:Uh, you're the one that proposed dealing with the normal timber industry in the first place. Like I wouldn't be surprised if growing pine was a bad way to sequester carbon, but you seem to be the one who proposed it. No, I absolutely hate the plan. I just pulled a quote from the article shared on the last page.
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Billzasilver posted:No, I absolutely hate the plan. I just pulled a quote from the article shared on the last page. Billzasilver posted:For starters, even the article posted earlier recognizes that business as usual would be preferable. This is an idea that is actually worse than dealing with the standard timber industry. A Buttery Pastry posted:Buildings hmm? Assuming you wanted to offset US emissions entirely, using pine, you could construct a massive wall with a cross section about a third the size of a football field along the entire US-Mexican border, each year. Billzasilver posted:That sounds like a lovely plan! Just give me 30 to 50 years to grow those pine trees in the first place. Here's hoping nothing bad happens in that time.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 17:42 |
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Plant storage is a poo poo-tastic idea Using it in the timber industry is a piss-poor idea
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Mozi posted:Not to even get into the many reasons why the plank road boom turned to bust, if you put the wood down on the surface of the earth it's just going to rot and give up its CO2 anyways. Hmmm really? You don't say?
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hobbesmaster posted:I thought solar city only did rooftop solar, not these types of heavy infrastructure deployments? They are doing some large projects in Australia: Tesla wins bid to build world’s largest lithium-ion battery for South Australia esla CEO Elon Musk promised back in March that his electric car company, which also owns solar energy provider SolarCity, could help the state of South Australia with its routine weather-caused blackout issues. At the time, Musk said Tesla was so serious about the endeavor, he wrote on Twitter that the project could be completed within 100 days of a signed deal or it’d come free of charge. Now, Tesla is getting the opportunity to make good on that promise, as the company has won the government of South Australia’s bid to build what would be the world’s largest lithium-ion battery. Tesla beat out 91 international bidders for the project — perhaps because of Musk’s clout (and proven track record) and his audacious claim to waive the installation fee — to supply South Australia with a 100-megawatt lithium-ion energy storage solution. It would be the largest lithium-ion battery system ever made, and it appears to involve a substantial scaling up of Tesla’s current commercial Powerpack system first unveiled back in 2015.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Hmmm really? You don't say? Sorry, my iron-y-meter needs calibration.
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Billzasilver posted:Lmao wtf is sacrificial land land where any valuable habitats have already been destroyed, so if you're doing something large scale and potentially damaging you should do it there
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:13 |
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so Indian burial grounds?
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 19:40 |
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Just send a nuke to make a hole in the ozone layer and let all that CO2 escape into space. Quick and easy!
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double nine posted:so Indian burial grounds? Oh god that's just what we need to compound the problems of climate change, loving Indian ghosts.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 21:09 |
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Throwing logs down a mine does sound like a chuckle but throwing fossil fuel company ceo's/stockholders down mine shafts till there aren't any left would be far more efficient. And hillarious. "NO NO I JUST WANTED TO BE RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCHHHHH" *splat*
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DesperateDan posted:Throwing logs down a mine does sound like a chuckle but throwing fossil fuel company ceo's/stockholders down mine shafts till there aren't any left would be far more efficient. And hillarious. "NO NO I JUST WANTED TO BE RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCHHHHH" *splat* Ok let's reach a compromise solution like good liberals here. Tie the fossil fuel fat cats to logs, throw them down mineshafts, and crush them under more logs.
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blowfish posted:Ok let's reach a compromise solution like good liberals here. Tie the fossil fuel fat cats to logs, throw them down mineshafts, and crush them under more logs. What are you running for and where can I vote for you
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 22:17 |
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Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, sail them to the deepest ocean trench and sink them with all hands. Repeat until carbon problem solved.
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Unormal posted:Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, sail them to the deepest ocean trench and sink them with all hands. Repeat until carbon problem solved. Chop down forests, turn them into sailing ships, live on them, raise purple berries, after Trump starts Global Thermonuclear War.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:28 |
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Genetically engineer trees that grow downwards into the earth, thus self-sequestering.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 23:37 |
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slaughter every imperialist pig that attempts to redevelop an island and let mangroves take back over the coasts
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lay on your back and poo poo on your face
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# ? Sep 28, 2017 07:20 |
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Oil contains more carbon than trees so let's just buy that and sequester it in the oceans.
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tax credits for pre-sequestering
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Things have gotten so desperate and broke brained that theorycrafters are trying to minmax the biosphere.
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The calculations show that human civilization can be saved by throwing trees down mine shafts, but only if you build up speed for 12 hours and use 0.5 a presses.
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