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Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

watho posted:

Wasn't he a co-founder of Overkill as well?

according to his twitter, yes

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
The secret room in Amber Room is, disappointingly, a big cache of ammo and meds. Probably really valuable on high difficulties, though.

It is clear the game is going to have another high end difficulty added.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Yeah sorry, I didn't see the potential gun list under all and currently a demolitionist doesn't see a 1911 until level 18. That is way too much time spent wasted grinding out a mauser. But, if other classes are stuck with it on the lower levels, at least I'll have it fully outfitted to be as strong as it can san-skill buff. :V

The worst of the Outlaw Raids is the forest one because mortars will instantly likely strike the cars with gold bars in them and destroy most of them before most players even know what is going on. But with a potential of 200 single gold bars, that's probably a good 30-50 bars of gold to cash out with.

EDIT: Actually its just 20. Oh boy, this is still a long way to go.

Crabtree fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Sep 28, 2017

UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD


The secondary unlocks must differ among classes as well. The assault doesn't get the 1911 until level 30 and gets a Webley revolver at level 18 instead.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках
They do differ.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
So uh, they randomly fixed Car Shop. Huh.

quote:

Car Shop
  • Removed investigation patrols after hacking on computer started
  • Updated the computers to be affected by ECMS
  • Computers have been lowered to 60 seconds
  • Added vent in upper floor room.
  • Removed specific guard patrol points inside small room computer rooms on the upper floor
  • Added small coffee island to the middle of the kitchen
  • Moved wife and husband having conversations to the back hallway instead of the front 2nd floor display area
  • Removed one guard position and moved civ patrol point in back hallway on the 2nd floor
  • Ending screen no longer waits 2 seconds to trigger, it happens as soon as everyone is in the escape zone

Though I'm not sure what the ECM cockblock is going to do to the speedrun...

John Murdoch fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Sep 28, 2017

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Heh, those changes just made Gone in 240 Seconds easier.

Laputanmachine
Oct 31, 2010

by Smythe

John Murdoch posted:

So uh, they randomly fixed Car Shop. Huh.


Though I'm not sure what the ECM cockblock is going to do to the speedrun...

You don't need ecms for the speedrun since you can do it on normal and the alarm gives you exactly four minutes anyway so it's all the same. Just ignore the manager, break the window to the office and check the name, go hack the computer.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
Those are good car shop changes.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Its just too bad Car Shop isn't really a good heist.Fixing that is like putting lipstick on a dead cop.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
Depending on what room the vent is in it's probably a spot to throw bodies.

All of those changes improve that mission a bunch.

John Murdoch
May 19, 2009

I can tune a fish.
Shows how much I remember about Car Shop. :v:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

swims posted:

Depending on what room the vent is in it's probably a spot to throw bodies.

All of those changes improve that mission a bunch.

The vent is between the upper computer cublicle room and the balcony area overlooking the store entrance. It's not very useful, including as a body drop spot.

That said, the heist is infinitely fairer now. Guards do not, as far as I can tell, path through the computer offices at all. The kitchen geometry change also adds another way to navigate past guards.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?
Nothing about the Raid wants me to get it. I've done more than enough grinding in PD2, the playable characters are generic as hell (why do so many WW2 games have 'good' playable Nazi characters? That's a rhetorical question btw) stealth without silenced ranged weapons sounds annoying (even though they had silencers in WW2, they were pretty lovely. However, they still had poo poo like bows and throwing knives) and it doesn't sound it does anything that PD2 doesn't do better. I tried the beta and it didn't click for me.

I think the thing that annoys me the most is they made it look like every other WW2 video game - forests, castles, factories, military bases, bunkers. The level list here doesn't inspire me https://raidworldwar2.gamepedia.com/Missions - I don't see a reason to sink any time into this over PD2.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I can give you two reasons. First, the devs are incredibly responsive and rebalanced the whole enchilada based on player feedback- the release game is way different and much better than the beta.

Second, and directly causing the first: Wilko was involved with the beta, but they realized their mistake and he's off the project now.

Edit: and wait till you see the Rogue's Gallery mission; it's like a whole different game setting-wise.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
If it ain't your thing, its not wrong to not be into RAID. You already have Payday 2 and even though RAID has more than PD2 did at launch, with four years of content on the former, RAID isn't exactly competing as well as it can from ripping people away from a game that's been dormant for a while just to promote the newer one. I also don't blame people from not wanting to spend $40 on RAID right now.

I'll still be killing nazis when I feel like it.

clockworkjoe
May 31, 2000

Rolled a 1 on the random encounter table, didn't you?

Discendo Vox posted:

I can give you two reasons. First, the devs are incredibly responsive and rebalanced the whole enchilada based on player feedback- the release game is way different and much better than the beta.

Second, and directly causing the first: Wilko was involved with the beta, but they realized their mistake and he's off the project now.

Edit: and wait till you see the Rogue's Gallery mission; it's like a whole different game setting-wise.

I thought Wilko was good? What's wrong with his involvement?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

clockworkjoe posted:

I thought Wilko was good? What's wrong with his involvement?

''Tis a joke, everything is Wilko's fault.

It's the new "thanks Obama!".

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
I am now convinced all the loot we steal in payday 2 are actually cop eggs to try to stem their explosive numbers.

ClonedPickle
Apr 23, 2010

Discendo Vox posted:

First, the devs are incredibly responsive and rebalanced the whole enchilada based on player feedback- the release game is way different and much better than the beta.

Honestly, I think this turned off a few people. Seeing a game change so rapidly and drastically during a beta not even a month before release definitely made me want to wait a few months to let them figure out what they wanted the game to play like and then see if it was my cup of tea.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!
I really like the short Hitler-videos after a game. Seems like they had a lot of fun with those.

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

BigglesSWE posted:

I really like the short Hitler-videos after a game. Seems like they had a lot of fun with those.
I try not to botch missions but those failure ones are also gold.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

EorayMel posted:

I am now convinced all the loot we steal in payday 2 are actually cop eggs to try to stem their explosive numbers.
But if they are from the Elemental Plane of Police, why do they have eggs in our plane?

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

But if they are from the Elemental Plane of Police, why do they have eggs in our plane?

Simple: closer to the battlefield for infiltration/domination on the ground and because they must actually travel a long ways between dimensions. Why bother crossing dimensions when you can incubate the eggs in the dimension you are already sieging?
Think like a spider: each egg sack contains hundreds of potential new ones. And who knows what combination of genes they've found and what new cop abomination may run amuck if we hadn't fully cleaned out the vaults?
They are also very durable, and must be destroyed with a very specific and thorough process back at the safe house.

Crabtree
Oct 17, 2012

ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!

Dinosaur Gum
Illja noticed my bitching as is now letting us vote between which of 3 new free guns we get first, TT-33, Degtyaryov Light Machine gun AKA a DP-28 or a doomguy special in the double barreled shotty.

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:
As much as I want the Soviet record player the double barrel is the correct choice because there's literally only one shotgun in the game right now which is unacceptable.

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Crabtree posted:

or a doomguy special in the double barreled shotty.
You had me at doomguy.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


EorayMel posted:

Simple: closer to the battlefield for infiltration/domination on the ground and because they must actually travel a long ways between dimensions. Why bother crossing dimensions when you can incubate the eggs in the dimension you are already sieging?
Think like a spider: each egg sack contains hundreds of potential new ones. And who knows what combination of genes they've found and what new cop abomination may run amuck if we hadn't fully cleaned out the vaults?
They are also very durable, and must be destroyed with a very specific and thorough process back at the safe house.

The diamond is the phylactery of the police commissioner.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I've obtained a leaked schedule for Crimefest 2017 from Wilko.

2017 Crimefest:

Day 1:
- Community Safe VI (Armor) released.
- Difficulty reworking: all guns that are not ARs have damage doubled. Enemies on Hard through Overkill have health doubled.

Day 2:
- Ethan and Hila pack released. Includes Ethan and Hila Safe, Content Creator perk deck, Demonetization Heist, Vape Cannon with multiple cartridge types that have different effects.
- Community Safe VI temporarily withdrawn from market due to copyright and pornographic content issues.

Day 3:
- Pickle Quest mask released. It's a reskin of the Chains mask with the pickle texture and bunny ears.
- Additional difficulty revisions: cloakers and tasers removed from Mayhem and higher difficulties.
- Patch to resolve crashing issue caused by Vape Cannon shock cartridge particle effect.

Day 4:
- Tie-in promotional event for RAID.
- Jules releases video defending the vape cannon being an instakill weapon with all ammo types.

Day 5:
- Diamond Heist released. 4 masks, four achievements.
- Vox develops Tourette's Syndrome.

Day 6:
- Community Safe VII released.
- Hotfix to Diamond Heist to resolve save file deletion issue.
- A new throwable weapon is added for owners of the H3H3 pack.

Day 7:
- Secret added to game. Promotional website crashed by DDoS attack.
- Second hotfix to Diamond Heist to resolve the hard drive corruption issue introduced in previous patch.
- Vox checks self into mental health clinic after secret is found by filedivers.
- Hassat Hunter is given credit for finding the secret, and is rewarded a job as head gameplay designer on payday 3.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Not falling for vox's bs (again), but honestly I suppose I could take a break from pubg to go secret hunting.

Is it reaaaaaaally gonna be in the game this year?

maswastaken
Nov 12, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

Day 3:
- Pickle Quest mask released. It's a reskin of the Chains mask with the pickle texture and bunny ears.
The description is just "LEPORIDAE14" over and over again except at the end: "Designed by the winner of the Search for Kento Puzzle event, an anonymous Overkill employee."

YET ANOTHER FAG
Mar 6, 2003

by R. Guyovich

Discendo Vox posted:

I've obtained a leaked schedule for Crimefest 2017 from Wilko.

2017 Crimefest:

Day 1:
- Community Safe VI (Armor) released.
- Difficulty reworking: all guns that are not ARs have damage doubled. Enemies on Hard through Overkill have health doubled.

Day 2:
- Ethan and Hila pack released. Includes Ethan and Hila Safe, Content Creator perk deck, Demonetization Heist, Vape Cannon with multiple cartridge types that have different effects.
- Community Safe VI temporarily withdrawn from market due to copyright and pornographic content issues.

Day 3:
- Pickle Quest mask released. It's a reskin of the Chains mask with the pickle texture and bunny ears.
- Additional difficulty revisions: cloakers and tasers removed from Mayhem and higher difficulties.
- Patch to resolve crashing issue caused by Vape Cannon shock cartridge particle effect.

Day 4:
- Tie-in promotional event for RAID.
- Jules releases video defending the vape cannon being an instakill weapon with all ammo types.

Day 5:
- Diamond Heist released. 4 masks, four achievements.
- Vox develops Tourette's Syndrome.

Day 6:
- Community Safe VII released.
- Hotfix to Diamond Heist to resolve save file deletion issue.
- A new throwable weapon is added for owners of the H3H3 pack.

Day 7:
- Secret added to game. Promotional website crashed by DDoS attack.
- Second hotfix to Diamond Heist to resolve the hard drive corruption issue introduced in previous patch.
- Vox checks self into mental health clinic after secret is found by filedivers.
- Hassat Hunter is given credit for finding the secret, and is rewarded a job as head gameplay designer on payday 3.

I almost fell for this..

Time to play this game again I guess.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Drewjitsu posted:

Not falling for vox's bs (again), but honestly I suppose I could take a break from pubg to go secret hunting.

Is it reaaaaaaally gonna be in the game this year?

I have no idea. There are likely going to at least be references in the Diamond Heist remake.

TopHatGenius
Oct 3, 2008

something feels
different

Hot Rope Guy
There's a collab with Enter the Gungeon!

Payday 2 gets four Enter the Gungeon masks (The Bullet, The Marine, The Cultist, and The Robot).

Enter the Gungeon gets three Payday 2 items. A drill that can be mounted on any locked chest while you fight off waves of enemies, a loot bag that lets makes money drop more often but makes you lose money when hit, and a Dallas Mask that summons a tiny Dallas, Wolf, Hoxton, or Chains for each Payday 2 item you pick up.

In traditional heisting fashion, I found that the Dallas mask is worth 9999 coins (which is impossible to get without cheating), so you gotta steal it from the shop!

edit: actually it seems like all the Payday 2 items are 9999 coins! Very true to form.

TopHatGenius fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 6, 2017

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
Secret would own so hard if it was in four stores all this time. Like even PS3 accessible.

The reddit developer thread has some interesting notes and it almost sounds like the guy is clueless. Then again this is the type of game where players probably like the game more than the guys making it. Especially after 3 or 4 years.

Kikas
Oct 30, 2012

TopHatGenius posted:

There's a collab with Enter the Gungeon!

Payday 2 gets four Enter the Gungeon masks (The Bullet, The Marine, The Cultist, and The Robot).

Enter the Gungeon gets three Payday 2 items. A drill that can be mounted on any locked chest while you fight off waves of enemies, a loot bag that lets makes money drop more often but makes you lose money when hit, and a Dallas Mask that summons a tiny Dallas, Wolf, Hoxton, or Chains for each Payday 2 item you pick up.

In traditional heisting fashion, I found that the Dallas mask is worth 9999 coins (which is impossible to get without cheating), so you gotta steal it from the shop!

edit: actually it seems like all the Payday 2 items are 9999 coins! Very true to form.


I am so gonna rock the Bullet mask next time I'm robbing a bank in this thing :allears:

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Gonna try my best to slap the DOOM marine colors on that helmet.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
It appears that only one of the needed items spawns per run of a heist, so you have to start at least 20 heists to catch em all.

The bullet in jewelry store spawns on a shelf behind glass in the back office (the one with bob), behind the sofa behind the store, on the vantage point, and behind the parking booth.

The cultist on diamond store...I only saw it in the alley behind the store, and behind one of the planters at the fountain.

The marine on Four stores can spawn on either escape area, or on a shelf in the back room of the 24/7.

swims posted:

Secret would own so hard if it was in four stores all this time. Like even PS3 accessible.

The reddit developer thread has some interesting notes and it almost sounds like the guy is clueless. Then again this is the type of game where players probably like the game more than the guys making it. Especially after 3 or 4 years.

What thread would that be?

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Oct 6, 2017

Laputanmachine
Oct 31, 2010

by Smythe

Discendo Vox posted:

It appears that only one of the needed items spawns per run of a heist, so you have to start at least 20 heists to catch em all.

The bullet in jewelry store spawns on a shelf behind glass in the back office (the one with bob), behind the sofa behind the store, on the vantage point, and behind the parking booth.

The cultist on diamond store...I only saw it in the alley behind the store, and behind one of the planters at the fountain.

The marine on Four stores can spawn on either escape area, or on a shelf in the back room of the 24/7.


What thread would that be?

Cultist can also spawn in the corner of the office right next to the stairs.

Robot spawns next to a bush near the dumpster at the end of the back alley leading to the docks, or on the roof near the helicopter landing zone. Haven't seen other spawns for it.

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EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
That feel when you do death wish heat street and finish it with 1 second on the clock because somebody forgot about the escort and wanting to continue clicking cops :derp:

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