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dont even fink about it posted:If it more Crazy Overacting Sisko and way less Quark (like none at all, that would be best), it would have been a better show. It is still the most overrated Trek, which is hard to do when you have TOS to compete with. Yeah getting rid of the best character would have helped the show a lot...................................................................................................................... NOT (Borat voice)
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HD DAD posted:This is accurate. It's like the producers saw Sub-Rosa and went "I want seven years of that, please". In case it hasn't been mentioned previously, the production codes for VOY consider it seasons 8-14 of TNG.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:32
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Shibawanko posted:In DS9 you get some throwaway episodes where implausible stuff happens, like when a runabout shrunk to the size of a golf ball and they flew around a Klingon infested defiant fixing circuit boards, but it's always fun and speculative, not gothic. I always give that episode a pass because they have Dax say that they can't breathe normal air and it becomes a plot point. They committed.
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Shibawanko posted:Voyager is dark in an oogie boogie, spiritual kind of way. It deals with fear and nightmares and chaotic dimensions and the afterlife and magical indian rituals. When you write it out like this, it actually sounds kind of badass.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:When you write it out like this, it actually sounds kind of badass. I'd like to see someone edit a season of Voyager together that commits to it as "space gothic" and see if it works.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:53
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Yeah getting rid of the best character would have helped the show a lot...................................................................................................................... Best for me to poop on.
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Oct 1, 2017 21:57
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After seeing some favorable talk in this thread on The Orville, I decided to give it a shot with my wife. I got all the way to the trial in the third episode where I decided I can't do MacFarlane humor anymore. The referenced-based anachronisms also threw me off. I'm spoiled and snobby about my Space shows, I guess. I did dig the set design and proper camera orientation.
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Oct 1, 2017 22:35
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I'll give that the humor may not be to your taste but as for reference based anachronism, what do you think is happening every time the Enterprise crew goes and pretends they are detectives or plays classical music?
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Ep 4 of the Orville is some straight up Good Trek. But if it's not doing it for you, ah well.
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[quote="“Al Borland Corp.”" post="“476955686”"] I’ll give that the humor may not be to your taste but as for reference based anachronism, what do you think is happening every time the Enterprise crew goes and pretends they are detectives or plays classical music? [/quote] Calling the Beastie Boys "classical music" in Beyond is one of the best jokes in the franchise. But also more realistic than everyone being obsessed with Bach on TNG.
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HD DAD posted:Calling the Beastie Boys "classical music" in Beyond is one of the best jokes in the franchise. But also more realistic than everyone being obsessed with Bach on TNG. Am I crazy or didn't futurama do that joke a decade ago?
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Spoeank posted:Am I crazy or didn't futurama do that joke a decade ago? Yes, but they did it with Sir Mix-a-lot's Baby Got Back.
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HD DAD posted:This is accurate. It's like the producers saw Sub-Rosa and went "I want seven years of that, please". More accurately, scripts rejected from TNG season 7 were the blueprint for voyager
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:This is a good point and gets overlooked when most people complain about Voyager as not committing to its concept and hitting the reset button all the time: it was very rarely fun. Basically everyone outside of the Doctor and Sever were dour, witless characters that were joyless to watch. Tom Paris never came off as witty or charming, and they probably spent more episodes torturing him than anything else. Torres was grumpy. Neelix was too creepy early on to ever really work. Harry was...Harry. I think this is why DS9 holds up so well. The situation gets dark but the characters try to carry on normal lives the best they can under duress. It's Star Trek's M*A*S*H. I was never a big fan of the Eddington arc because I never liked him as a character. Eddington, unlike Dukat, never had the charisma or pathos necessary to be a proper foil to Sisko. He was just a loserish dude playing out his Robin Hood fantasy.
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I've been watching Star Trek TNG with this viewing guide, and I tried to give "rating 2" episodes a shot too but soon gave up. I just finished "Symbiosis" and I weirdly feel it was the best episode of the season yet, even though I'm weirded out by some inconsistencies, albeit they're freaquent in sci-fi and some of them actually make sense when taking the prime directive in consideration. (Like having first contact/discovery and no contact after that, language not being an issue, very similar humanoid species). I remember browing a Star Trek wikia about some common ancestry of humanoid species so I guess that's one way to handwave it. Are there canon explanations for no serious language barrier issues in these kinds of episodes? I know Trek can be quite "campy" and "unrealistic" so I don't sweat too much about it. Makes me actually wonder how the new series will handle stuff. At least Discovery spoiler: ship combat feels as ridiculous as before with bunch of ships lining up close to each other - Mind, could be portrayed as "posturing" towards the Klingons or whatever. Not that it bothered me but it does make me wonder if Discovery will try to take a "more realistic approach" towards Star Trek or not - which just might be a mistake as it might lose the charm. Not opposed to either direction, but certainly curious how "realistic" Star Trek would appear like - and that doesn't necessarily mean it can't still have its "campiness" intact. I found it fitting that I kept thinking about the fact that Miami Vice ran during the same time as TNG at some point during this episode, and overall being surprised that TNG started in the late 80's. I kept seeing runs of DS9/TNG *a lot* when I was a child easily till' the late 90's and early 00's. I do wonder if the episode purposely lead me to thinking about Miami during the heyday of the drug war by making the Brekkians look like something out of Miami Vice/New Wave. Can't have been purely coincidental?
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Dessel posted:Are there canon explanations for no serious language barrier issues in these kinds of episodes? The canon explanation is that everyone has a universal translator in their ear or in their ship's computer, a device that translates any language it hears to the listener's tongue, and can even pick up undiscovered languages more-or-less instantly. There are a few episodes that expand on this, particularly Darmok in season 5, but for the most part it's just a handwave because if they couldn't communicate instantly with every new alien race, that'd really limit the storytelling possibilities.
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Dessel posted:I've been watching Star Trek TNG with this viewing guide, and I tried to give "rating 2" episodes a shot too but soon gave up. I just finished "Symbiosis" and I weirdly feel it was the best episode of the season yet, even though I'm weirded out by some inconsistencies, albeit they're freaquent in sci-fi and some of them actually make sense when taking the prime directive in consideration. (Like having first contact/discovery and no contact after that, language not being an issue, very similar humanoid species). I remember browing a Star Trek wikia about some common ancestry of humanoid species so I guess that's one way to handwave it. Are there canon explanations for no serious language barrier issues in these kinds of episodes? I know Trek can be quite "campy" and "unrealistic" so I don't sweat too much about it. Makes me actually wonder how the new series will handle stuff. At least Discovery spoiler: ship combat feels as ridiculous as before with bunch of ships lining up close to each other - Mind, could be portrayed as "posturing" towards the Klingons or whatever. Not that it bothered me but it does make me wonder if Discovery will try to take a "more realistic approach" towards Star Trek or not - which just might be a mistake as it might lose the charm. Not opposed to either direction, but certainly curious how "realistic" Star Trek would appear like - and that doesn't necessarily mean it can't still have its "campiness" intact. Whoever did that must really hate TNG. I'd rate many of the 2s, 3s, and 4s at least one higher than they did. The 1s and 0 are generally OK.
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Dessel posted:Are there canon explanations for no serious language barrier issues in these kinds of episodes? The universal translator works both ways through the viewscreens and also works in real time through the communicator badges. Times when this is impossible/obviously isn't happening are to be ignored. Note that this means every character is always speaking their own language and not one common language. Worf is always speaking in Klingon, Troi is speaking Betazoidian, etc. (Some species have universal translators implanted on their bodies instead of on badges, Ferengi have them as clips inside their ear canals for example.)
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Did anyone see the new Discovery episode tonight or has that not finished 'airing' yet?
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Worf was raised on earth, he's likely speaking in either English or Russian.
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Dessel posted:I do wonder if the episode purposely lead me to thinking about Miami during the heyday of the drug war by making the Brekkians look like something out of Miami Vice/New Wave. Can't have been purely coincidental? The episode was influenced by co-executive producer Maurice Hurley's recent work on Miami Vice, and was intended to have the Enterprise come across a drug deal in progress.[2] Hurley was also responsible for the insertion of a "Just Say No" style drugs speech by Tasha Yar (Denise Crosby) to Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton), which came over the objections from the cast.[2]
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Did anyone see the new Discovery episode tonight or has that not finished 'airing' yet? It's literally just gone up on All Access according to Twitter.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Worf was raised on earth, he's likely speaking in either English or Russian. You're absolutely right of course and I'll forever imagine he's speaking Russian now.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I'll give that the humor may not be to your taste but as for reference based anachronism, what do you think is happening every time the Enterprise crew goes and pretends they are detectives or plays classical music? Episodes that focus on straight-up anachronism in Trek (like "Take Me Out To The Holosuite" from DS9, or the Julian Bashir-as-Bond episodes) are some of my favorite episodes. Having at least three-to-four references to 350+-year-old media within 43 minutes of show when there are, like, at least 350 years of "current" media to riff off of (like, when Dax wants to listen to a Klingon composer in a runabout), I think this is just not the show for me. Orville Ep 3 spoiler: Exchanging the captain/xo for the entire library of "2017 modern and back" Reality Television was a real good call for a joke, but completely breaks fourth wall and throws me out of the show.
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Star Trek is airing right now as we speak. Anyone watching?
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Arglebargle III posted:Star Trek is airing right now as we speak. yo
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Arglebargle III posted:Star Trek is airing right now as we speak. Cadot Tilly is the best
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Scudworth posted:The episode was influenced by co-executive producer Maurice Hurley's recent work on Miami Vice, and was intended to have the Enterprise come across a drug deal in progress.[2] Hurley was also responsible for the insertion of a "Just Say No" style drugs speech by Tasha Yar (Denise Crosby) to Wesley Crusher (Wil Wheaton), which came over the objections from the cast.[2] That guy sucks and the worst thing about the chaos on the bridge doc is how smitten it is with his saying "wackadoodle" up to turning it into a song over the credits
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OctaMurk posted:Cadot Tilly is the worst FTFY
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dont even fink about it posted:If it more Crazy Overacting Sisko and way less Quark (like none at all, that would be best), it would have been a better show. It is still the most overrated Trek, which is hard to do when you have TOS to compete with. TOS is the best Trek, fight me.
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DS9 is the best Trek.
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Peachfart posted:DS9 is the best Trek. It's this one, with credit to TNG for setting the tone prior.
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DS9 is the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that birthed horrors like STD. We should not be forgiving.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:DS9 is the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that birthed horrors like STD. We should not be forgiving. It isn't DS9's fault that post 911 TV forgot concepts like 'subtlety' and 'tone'.
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Peachfart posted:It isn't DS9's fault that post 911 TV forgot concepts like 'subtlety' and 'tone'. No but it is what everyone points to when you try to make a case that Star Trek shouldn't be an action show. "The Dominion War was so cool!!"
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That's like saying A New Hope deserves to be punished for leading to the prequels. DS9 is the best and it's not the show's fault that some fans are dumb.
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Quark rules and provides a vital counterpoint to the main people in DS9. Yes, it would have been nice if the Ferengi had not been written as such misogynists, but at least their misogyny is addressed and the characters learn and grow - in two out of three cases, more or less out of misogyny entirely, if I recall correctly. What I think the Quark episodes highlight (leaving aside Profit and Lace) is the humanity(in the sympathetic sense) of all intelligent life. While it is expressed in very different ways, this all makes clear that aliens are the moral equals of humans, which I think is one of the messages that Voyager (and even, a little, TNG) lose track of.
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DS9 did go a bit too far into starship porn territory. But it actually had a story and good characters. Everything Trek since has forgotten the second part.
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I too have been looking forward to the existence of Discovery turning discourse here into the equivalent of the Star Wars thread in CD
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Cross-Section posted:I too have been looking forward to the existence of Discovery turning discourse here into the equivalent of the Star Wars thread in CD
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