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Covering my eyes rn at this horrid betrayal of trust.
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In other news, Nintendo is apparently forbidding people from streaming their games on YouTube even if you signed up for their extortion program. Edit: They make it sound like it's because you signed up for their lovely program that you're not allowed to stream. 
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Sep 29, 2017 14:54
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It's happening. Soon all forms of LPs will be banned.
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Nintendon't you dare stream that shirtless Mario.
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Nintendo: Only we may view Mario's hot nips.
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Jamesman posted:Edit: They make it sound like it's because you signed up for their lovely program that you're not allowed to stream. They don't just make it sound that way, that's exactly what it says. Why are they so weird about it? I don't know if it's Japan saying this or NOA or what but it's like dealing with a space alien who brought space games to earth
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I'm more surprised it isn't more widespread among the gaming companies. With as much as they wanna scream about PIRACY IS RUINING THE You thought the Kinect was cute with it determining how many people are in a room? Wait until the kinect shuts off the xbox because it detected 3 people in the room and Microsoft does that NFL thing where they threaten to send the police to your house for daring to have more then 5 people watching the Superbowl.
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Or maybe they don't want lovely Nazis like Pewdiepie streaming their games.
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gschmidl posted:Or maybe they don't want lovely Nazis like Pewdiepie streaming their games. No I'm gonna lean towards "gaming companies (rightfully) consider LPs to be way too close to piracy".
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That refers only to streaming so maybe the "when people stream sometimes they say gently caress (or are racist) without thinking" thing is a small part of it.
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Has there ever been solid research into how many people buy a game because of an LP compared to people who use an LP as an alternative to buying? If it's any indication it's the latter I can see companies cracking down hard, even though it could be a bad idea.
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Phimose Knight posted:No I'm gonna lean towards "gaming companies (rightfully) consider LPs to be way too close to piracy". Yeah I'm pretty sure that's bullshit. People who just watch an LP are people who wouldn't have bought the game in the first place, while LPs often cause other people to purchase the game themselves. Only real exception to this is Telltale or David Cage style stuff. bobjr posted:Has there ever been solid research into how many people buy a game because of an LP compared to people who use an LP as an alternative to buying? If it's any indication it's the latter I can see companies cracking down hard, even though it could be a bad idea. Look at sales charts for any game played by a big streamer or youtuber. You'll usually see non-insignificant spikes in sales.
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Pewds and his imitators are, for good or ill, almost single-handedly responsible for the huge number of horror games on the PC in the last few years. If it wasn't for them, at the very least, Five Nights at Freddy's wouldn't be the juggernaut it is and stuff like Amnesia would be a mild cult hit.
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Phimose Knight posted:No I'm gonna lean towards "gaming companies (rightfully) consider LPs to be way too close to piracy". In what way?? It's way too close to piracy because you can experience the game without paying for it yourself? The same is true of any form of media you can publicly view or share with someone. edit: And furthermore, the game is being streamed to you from somebody who legally owns it. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Sep 29, 2017 |
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Leal posted:I'm more surprised it isn't more widespread among the gaming companies. With as much as they wanna scream about PIRACY IS RUINING THE It's generally understood that if LPs have any effect, it's a positive one. They act as free marketing, and playing a game is a very different experience from watching a game. Most developers/publishers seem to understand this and don't want to close down that opportunity. Meanwhile Nintendo is living in 1995 with their online practices.
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CJacobs posted:In what way?? It's way too close to piracy because you can experience the game without paying for it yourself? The same is true of any form of media you can publicly view or share with someone. You can't publicly post any copyrighted work without the permission of the copyright holder. The reason video footage of video games is in a grey area right now as far as that goes is that in most cases, watching a game played is not quite the same experience as playing it yourself, so it's only a portion of the work that's being published, and the commentary could possibly be considered "transformative", to use the language of Fair Use, turning the game into part of a new media work. This is similar to what Mystery Science Theater 3000 did, but even they acquired a license for every movie they riffed on and distributed, and Rifftrax avoids that issue by distributing only their own content and requiring the viewer to find another legal means of watching the movie alongside it. As long as nobody actually tries the Fair Use argument in a court of law, it's potentially viable but not legally binding either way. And unless it's decided by the Supreme Court, it's only binding within a jurisdiction and can be appealed upward. Nintendo's been in the video game business longer than any of the other modern companies, and they've been a business for what, 150 years doing other things? Their legal department undoubtedly knows their stuff and wants to navigate the minefield of copyright issues involved with Let's Plays as smoothly as possible. So they created a program under which a Youtube channel can be devoted entirely to Nintendo content, with clear rules for how revenue is split and an express license to use Nintendo content. (It's been a long time since I read the agreement, so I don't remember any details, but it seemed fairly reasonable and was, as far as I can tell, completely voluntary. Use of Nintendo content outside their program is in the same legal grey area as any other LP, and subject to future interdiction if a court ever takes up a copyright case.) This is an addition to the program stating that live streams aren't covered, so the user needs to use a different channel for any live streaming, and Nintendo does not grant the explicit license for that content. This is a legal butt-covering, clearly, based on Nintendo's lawyers recognizing a segment of online content that has the potential to violate their family-friendly image and deciding to take an official stance against that possibility. I think it would be a lot harder for them to make a restriction based on the content of a stream - i.e. the "You may stream footage of our games, but may not use the following words" that Campo Santo seem to wish they'd added to their license. The law is almost always ugly when it's applied by people who know what they're doing. Meanwhile, I assume everyone who's in the Nintendo program also has a channel for all of their non-Nintendo content, and as has been said, other streaming services are available. If Nintendo's agreement also forbids any distribution of their content outside the dedicated channel (again, I forget), then that might cause an issue, but they've come out and said that anyone who doesn't like it is welcome to leave the program. If enough people take them up on that, they may consider revising the policy.
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Someone should play Game Dev Tycoon with the mindset Nintendo has and see what happens. Kill Butt 3 Creators Program
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Yeah I'm pretty sure that's bullshit. People who just watch an LP are people who wouldn't have bought the game in the first place, while LPs often cause other people to purchase the game themselves. Only real exception to this is Telltale or David Cage style stuff. CJacobs posted:In what way?? It's way too close to piracy because you can experience the game without paying for it yourself? The same is true of any form of media you can publicly view or share with someone. There used to be a TV show back in late 90s/Y2K-era, called Nivel X (Level X). I wish I could find any footage (there's just a parody series that's... unfunny to say the least), but it showcased PS1/N64-- and later, the next gen PS2/GC-- games with commentary. It certainly did its fair share to advertise the games being played, and kids could send footage of themselves playing at an arcade. For this generation of "Everyone Has Internet Access", it's much the same, except you don't need to wait for the next episode to get another hit, you can just binge-watch an entire series in a single evening.
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A few LP's have convinced me to play the game myself when I wouldn't have even though of it in the first place. Xenoblade Chronicles comes to mind; I stopped watching the first video to go pre-order the game (and on the last day too!) because I was so intrigued by the quick moment I watched.
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I can get the Atlus argument for P5, but no one plays Nintendo games for the story, and considering how limited their game lineup has been, no one is gonna not buy the new Zelda because they saw a LP. gently caress, I've put a Switch on my "buy if money is plentiful one day" list because of BOTW videos, otherwise I'd gladly ignore yet another fuckin 3D Zelda with a tired open world thing attached to it. The "it's almost piracy" thing doesn't ring true at all. Now, trying to protect your content from...unsavory people, sure, whatever. I think it's a dumb pursuit in the age of streaming and hurts your brand more than it helps, but sure, do your thing, old Japanese lawyers.
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Calling it now: in 10 years or earlier, popular games will have Streamer Editions that will look a whole lot like demos and will be the only accepted versions to get streamed. 100% LPs or otherwise full-game LPs will be pushed in the nerdiest of undergrounds and will be sold in alleyways on usb thumbsticks stored in paper bags, next to the bums keeping themselves warm around burning barrels.
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The Gamer's Underbelly.
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Gimbal lock posted:Calling it now: in 10 years or earlier, popular games will have Streamer Editions that will look a whole lot like demos and will be the only accepted versions to get streamed. 100% LPs or otherwise full-game LPs will be pushed in the nerdiest of undergrounds and will be sold in alleyways on usb thumbsticks stored in paper bags, next to the bums keeping themselves warm around burning barrels. Nah, streamers are idiots who will shill any game they get for free. Game companies will just go after people who don't fit into their marketing strategy.
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Super Mario Run is currently 50% off as Nintendo's first ever discounted game
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Putty posted:Super Mario Run is currently 50% off as Nintendo's first ever discounted game Nintendo's had digital discounts before. You can go to their rewards site and spend rewards currency to buy 30% discounts on 3DS/Wii U Virtual Console games. ...Guys I'm starting to think Nintendo may not know what they're doing in regards to online.
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Speaking of streamers/LP'ers helping game sales, Bethesda made this rather interesting piece of marketing recently for Prey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsNvKISFFVA I'm not exactly sure if it works as intended though...
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Mega64 posted:Nintendo's had digital discounts before. You can go to their rewards site and spend rewards currency to buy 30% discounts on 3DS/Wii U Virtual Console games.
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Cheez posted:Does anyone ever actually look at Nintendo's stuff or do you just pretend to I haven't signed the blood contract that allows me to see Nintendo's stuff.
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Phimose Knight posted:There used to be a TV show back in late 90s/Y2K-era, called Nivel X (Level X). I wish I could find any footage (there's just a parody series that's... unfunny to say the least), but it showcased PS1/N64-- and later, the next gen PS2/GC-- games with commentary. It certainly did its fair share to advertise the games being played, and kids could send footage of themselves playing at an arcade. For this generation of "Everyone Has Internet Access", it's much the same, except you don't need to wait for the next episode to get another hit, you can just binge-watch an entire series in a single evening.  "Bottom-right cam? Top-right corner? Maybe as a sidebar? Eh, make it the entire screen." Facecam nitpick aside, it was a pretty popular TV show on our gaming channel in the 1990s called Level One, where the host(s) would play the first level/portion of a game blind, with their faces on the screen. So even back in 1998, we already had blind facecam
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Bring Tech TV and Arena, get up on how much more popular E-Sports is now in comparison to back in 2004-5. They could even play the new Unreal game, like they were with UT2k4 back then as well.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:Pewds and his imitators are, for good or ill, almost single-handedly responsible for the huge number of horror games on the PC in the last few years. If it wasn't for them, at the very least, Five Nights at Freddy's wouldn't be the juggernaut it is and stuff like Amnesia would be a mild cult hit. One big argument to ban all LPs then.
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 A youtube stream I did today got copyright stricken by literally 25 copyright holders for playing midi versions of their songs that were so accurate the automated system thinks they're the real thing
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If you don't think a midi version of a song counts as some arcane definition of a remix then I dunno what to tell you, the Doom E1M1 guitar sounded great in the background of the Guns n' Roses songDoseku posted:How the heck can a song have 17 different copyright holders? They all want a piece of that sweet lo-fi action
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Doseku posted:How the heck can a song have 17 different copyright holders? copyright trolls
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CJacobs posted:
The last stream I did got hit with a bunch of copyright notices too. I didn't know if I should dispute them or not.
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