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Oh God I winced hard at "Guess you folks aren't used to Pro ops". Like... I don't know Mentzer or EOTB or whoever the gently caress, but I know that this KS is anything but pro. On the other hand, it's clocked $47K so far! So it might go the distance yet.
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Megazver posted:Oh there's more Mentzer drama: The comments on this article lead me to believe that the forum in question is entirely in the right.
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I want to believe on this crazy Mentzer thing not unlike how there was hope for The Dragon Kings Project attaining transmedia glory by Brown---but between the highly ambitious ask while suffering from even worse fundamental failings on outright ambition than the latter for it despite having heaps more bigger names attached....it'd take some kind of crazy something for this to not only go the distance, but actually release proper and have a future.
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TTerrible posted:The comments on this article lead me to believe that the forum in question is entirely in the right.
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Lightning Lord posted:John Wick just launched the Khitai kickstarter for 7th Sea. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnwickpresents/7th-sea-khitai John Wick is responsible for some of the worst parts of L5R soooo I'm not too excited. On the other hand there is a samurai riding a bear and I can't lie thats a pretty sweet image. And if he can restrain himself and/or has learned something since the 90s that might make things better.
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Lightning Lord posted:John Wick just launched the Khitai kickstarter for 7th Sea. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnwickpresents/7th-sea-khitai
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So this is technically a video game, but very TG. A Doomtroopers Digital CCG. I don't necessarily have high hopes for this at all, but I'll probably chuck some money at it for nostalgia's sake. Also I play way too many lovely digital ccgs.
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dwarf74 posted:I really, really wish I didn't hate the 7th Sea 2e rules system. What's so bad about it?
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Lightning Lord posted:John Wick just launched the Khitai kickstarter for 7th Sea. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnwickpresents/7th-sea-khitai I do like the idea of using this for a Samurais & Swashbucklers but every mention of how honorable and mystical they are makes me cringe more than a little.
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Lightning Lord posted:John Wick just launched the Khitai kickstarter for 7th Sea. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnwickpresents/7th-sea-khitai I don't know, as long as they're still carrying on with their policy of employing writers from those cultural back... 
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I loved 7th Sea, but there's a reason I didn't back 2e. I mean, it wasn't cultural insensitivity, it was 'I don't want to support John Wick', but still.
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LeSquide posted:What's so bad about it?
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Bieeardo posted:"I will write you into the story..." Oh then you will love this: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/tsr-luminary-frank-mentzer-booted-from.html Check the last screenshot.
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7th Sea 2e turned out far better than I expected, so I'm less skeptical of Khitai than I otherwise would be.
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A friend from college has started a kickstarter for his new board game End of the Trail. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brentdickman/end-of-the-trail-find-fortune-in-the-california-go/description You play as prospectors looking for gold claims. In addition to looking for those claims, you are building poker hands to get bonus money, or an additional claim.
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dwarf74 posted:I really, really wish I didn't hate the 7th Sea 2e rules system. How do you feel about FFG's Rpg mechanics? They put up open beta sign ups for the L5R rpg reboot. https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/9/26/legend-of-the-five-rings-rpg-beta/
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So one of the people working on Khitai is at the Dungeon Elementary guy, who, if nothing else, at least lives and works in Korea, IIRC. http://dungeon-elementary.tumblr.com/ posted:
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That Old Tree posted:7th Sea 2e turned out far better than I expected, so I'm less skeptical of Khitai than I otherwise would be. Yea I'm hype for it. 2e was a big hit for my group and this will be too. I'd be worried about a team of sentient mayonnaise writing this if this wasn't clearly a love letter to wuxia over the top heroics instead of L5R's very unfortunate "HONORABLE AND ACCURATE SAMURAI LIFE". This seems to have the same feel of 7th sea, you're big drat heroes running around doing cool hero poo poo and your enemies are cackling monsters. Also, and I never, ever, thought I'd say this...I'm happy to support Wick making games these days. His 7th Sea kickstarter went incredibly well and this one already has the very cool stretch goal of 'we'll just give the barebones rules free if you wanna try it' and all. Plus it's pretty bonkers that at 45 dollars you get all the 7th sea new books (including the 2 yet to be written ones) AND all the Khitai ones in pdfs, that's a good rear end deal. Wick used to suck real bad, and it's totally fair if there's still bad feelings there, but I've come around on the guy a lot and he's seemed to understand the old flaws in his game design.
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dwarf74 posted:Oh man, I wish I could put my finger on it. It's just in a weird squishy spot between rules-light and rules-heavy, only the rules don't really always work. I've only played 7th Sea 2nd Ed a little bit so far, but the guy running it doesn't really use the rules anyways so I'm not sure what to think. Reading the books it seems to be OK'ish as long as the GM is willing to prep suitable dramatic scenes, but if the GM is lazy or if you are just trying to figure out what to do for skill checks that don't necessarily need a whole scene the rules get sort of squishy. I sort of feel like the book should have more guidance on scene construction, as in recommending how many consequences to add based on "difficulty" or whatever. It also seems like the game has balance issues in combat, particularly between duelists and non-duelists who should otherwise be decent fighters.
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I like 7th Sea 2nd despite its flaws and Khitai looks good but weren't they leaning pretty hard on the diversity angle at the Ennies? I'm not too worried about it either, I'll probably back it too, but it seems like a reversal of what they had been talking about since the second edition Kickstarter in terms of diversity.
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Only 34 weeks until the Christian board game hits Kickstarter http://deliverancethegame.com
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alg posted:Only 34 weeks until the Christian board game hits Kickstarter ... that's an unfortunate name for it
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Orvin posted:A friend from college has started a kickstarter for his new board game End of the Trail. I blew this off until I saw Radho's runthrough. It actually looks like a clever and fun card game. $29 shipping included is fair value too. Thanks.
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"The Bible is full of epic descriptions of angels, demons, and the spiritual realm that still leaves so much to the imagination. Without getting into the specifics about what passages I am building upon (hint: all of them), there is a lot of room for creative interpretation here. My first rule is that the game can’t compromise my faith as a Christian. My second rule is that the game needs to be awesome, and every character needs to feel ultra powerful. If it boiled down to “Bible Trivia: Angels and Demons Edition” then it would be a bad idea that should go nowhere. But as things stand, the theme mixes perfectly with the mechanics, and the characters that I have developed and tested feel ridiculously awesome so far." There is no actual description of what the point of the game is or how it is played or anything. So...kinda par for the course for any media that advertises itself as The Moral Alternative.
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Mors Rattus posted:If Wick's really turned around, I might have to look into it. As long as it doesn't poo poo on first ed's versions needlessly, because I have an irrational soft spot for them. Probably not the thread for this to get into discussion but what I heard was that the Vesten/Vendel thing got kind of the shaft if you were a fan of the Vesten...
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I actually like an antagonistic gm style a lot so I am soft on those aspects of Wickism, personally. The problem for me is that that is a style that absolutely requires all players be on the same page and that is understandably less common these days. It is for the best that my preferences have been left on the wayside, but sucks for me, lol.
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neongrey posted:I actually like an antagonistic gm style a lot so I am soft on those aspects of Wickism, personally. The problem for me is that that is a style that absolutely requires all players be on the same page and that is understandably less common these days. I feel like there's a pretty big difference between just general "antagonistic GMing" and John Wick's personal blend though. A lot of his signature stories aren't really all that clever or interesting, they're just dumb. Oh, your character is immune to disease, well now you're infected with a SUPER ULTRA MEGA DISEASE lol. Oh your character has a family member she cares about, I'll just go out of my way to ruin that little detail, man I wonder why so many players make orphan loner characters with no friends, someone help me figure this out. Like, it's totally fine and good to give players a personal investment in a game by tugging on plot hooks they've provided for you or imperiling things they have a stake in, but Wick's just fuckin bad at it.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:So this is technically a video game, but very TG. A Doomtroopers Digital CCG. My memory could be wrong because it's been a very long time, but I seem to recall this being a very collect-to-win sort of game, with whoever had gotten the power units just dominating the game. It might be better if you had a full set? But I recall it being a game where the first "C" in CCG was a real downer when playing the game. gradenko_2000 posted:Wick seems to be real professional with his 7th Sea work, regardless of your feelings about his mindset from things like Play Dirty Yeah. Wick has definitely held to his word. There are some Wickisms in 7th Sea (Vodacce, Inismore, some of the GM advice, the whole Corruption mechanic), but it's generally Wick on good behavior. neongrey posted:I actually like an antagonistic gm style a lot so I am soft on those aspects of Wickism, personally. The problem for me is that that is a style that absolutely requires all players be on the same page and that is understandably less common these days. Honestly I think the main issue with the Play Dirty style that I saw wasn't that it was mean or capricious, or at least if it is, it's not important to my point. My point is that so much of it ends up being about putting the GM's desires over that of the players. A "GM knows best" sort of attitude. And yes, sometimes you do something that'll annoy a player in the short term in hoping to deliver greater enjoyment in the long term. But so much of Play Dirty just seems to be about running the game he wants to run under the guise of subverting expectations.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Honestly I think the main issue with the Play Dirty style that I saw wasn't that it was mean or capricious, or at least if it is, it's not important to my point. My point is that so much of it ends up being about putting the GM's desires over that of the players. A "GM knows best" sort of attitude. And yes, sometimes you do something that'll annoy a player in the short term in hoping to deliver greater enjoyment in the long term. But so much of Play Dirty just seems to be about running the game he wants to run under the guise of subverting expectations. Michael Scott in the Office doing improv, pulling out an invisible gun and shooting everybody else, then acting confused why everyone is upset that he won.
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Kai Tave posted:Michael Scott in the Office doing improv, pulling out an invisible gun and shooting everybody else, then acting confused why everyone is upset that he won. Yea it was that and the Community "I WON DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS" joke. I'm fine with 'the GM isn't your buddy their job is to make challenges because challenge is what creates good stories' but to turn it to 'and actually this means the GM is the best part of the group and should be given the proper respect for so clearly winning the game' is what made that stuff so lame. GMs trolling players is fun, it leads to either hilarious situations or interesting plot twists or both. Turning it into an outright competition where one player is literally in charge of the world and the others aren't is just dull. Having your players in a super hero game get ambushed by a pack of raptors when they're in the jungle and not expecting it is fun, having a t-rex eat them in their sleep isn't. A lot of Wick's old style was more 'a t-rex ate you because you never said you were setting out anti-t-rex traps before going to bed' and less 'hey you know what'd be fun...'
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Megazver posted:Oh there's more Mentzer drama: best sig ever: "My friend Gary changed the world. Remember him. Honor him."
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Cinnamon Bear posted:John Wick is responsible for some of the worst parts of L5R soooo I'm not too excited. On the other hand there is a samurai riding a bear and I can't lie thats a pretty sweet image. And if he can restrain himself and/or has learned something since the 90s that might make things better. I honestly enjoy his settings but will never back anything again after just how wretchedly unfinished the 7th Sea 2 mechanics are. It's been out for what, a year now and I don't think they've ever addressed the duelist/non-duelist issues, or the fact that the duelist rules in general just don't work. That's a pretty big problem when Swordsmen are a major selling point of your game. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Oct 4, 2017 |
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