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Maybe, just maybe, there aren't direct analogs between characters in these two meta-narrative comedic fantasy series, just similar tropes parodied differently. ...... Naaaaah. V is Rincewind
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Oct 6, 2017 17:46
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Tenebrais posted:Shojo is more of a Vetinari character. Yeah, being content to let everyone think he was senile for decades in order to let the assorted noble jerkwads think they were in control was a pretty Vetinari thing to do.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:46
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I miss Terry Pratchett  Also while I appreciate the twist in this page, it is a bit clunky considering it needed a whole page's worth of reminders of previous plot points to explain. Still good though.
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Oct 6, 2017 17:48
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Phanatic posted:Tarquin's pretty much Vetinari anyway. e; fb
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Oct 6, 2017 18:04
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Shugojin posted:I always got the feeling that he wasn't so much unwilling as that he felt it was unnecessary, because what Ankh-Morpork needed wasn't a king but just some guy you felt gave a drat. Carrot's deal is that he's found a way to do the duties of the king of A-M without any of the pageantry or trouble that an actual crowned king would cause. He believes a king should protect and serve his people, help them solve their disputes and otherwise let them carry on their lives; and he can do that as captain of the Watch. He is the king, he's just discrete about it.
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Oct 6, 2017 21:16
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Phanatic posted:Tarquin's pretty much Vetinari anyway. Tarquin thinks he's Vetinari.
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Oct 6, 2017 23:37
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What the gently caress are you nerds talking about ITT?
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Oct 7, 2017 00:11
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Earnestly posted:What the gently caress are you nerds talking about ITT? look at this pratchet-less rube e: terry pratchett was an extremely popular/prolific british fantasy writer who excelled in clever satire and using fantasy as a medium to comment on both real-world issues and on the a nature of story telling itself AriadneThread fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Oct 7, 2017 00:14
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A setting that started as a send-up of common genre tropes but gradually developed into its own rather epic thing, in spite of its author's health problems.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:15
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Earnestly posted:What the gently caress are you nerds talking about ITT? Please Read Discworld
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Oct 7, 2017 00:19
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Earnestly posted:What the gently caress are you nerds talking about ITT? Okay so what you need to do is read Small Gods, then the Watch books in order, then the Witch books in order.
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Oct 7, 2017 00:56
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Don't read any Watch book after the first because Vimes devolves from a sympathetic fuckup to the lord-god of trying too hard.
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Oct 7, 2017 01:03
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Colonel Cool posted:Okay so what you need to do is read Small Gods, then the Watch books in order, then the Witch books in order. Eh, I'd substitute the Death books for the Witch books, but that's just me. Also: Magrat Garlick: Elan Nanny Ogg: Haley Granny Weatherwax: Roy While Elan is clearly Magrat, Haley is the only one I can picture singing the hedgehog song. quote:Don't read any Watch book after the first because Vimes devolves from a sympathetic fuckup to the lord-god of trying too hard. Heretic!
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Oct 7, 2017 01:05
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Just read all the books in roughly publication order you goons
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Oct 7, 2017 01:05
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GodFish posted:Just read all the books in roughly publication order you goons The earliest books are not the best books though. The early depictions of Granny are really rough. The Rincewind books never did anything for me either. The later books are much more polished, but have a bunch of jokes that reference things a new reader wouldn't know. I'll second "Small Gods" as a good entry point. It probably the best of the stand alone books in the series.
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Oct 7, 2017 01:12
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ImpAtom posted:Don't read any Watch book after the first because Vimes devolves from a sympathetic fuckup to the lord-god of trying too hard. Pratchett's last few are bad because of his brain dissolving (  ) but the bulk of his books are ridiculously high quality for what should be boilerplate fantasy parody. Not dissimilar to OOTS, in a way. However he does have a problem with protagonist inflation, where they become infallible gods of whatever it is they do, which rich hasn't succumbed to yet. Definitely worth a read if you haven't encountered him yet.
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Facebook Aunt posted:The earliest books are not the best books though. The early depictions of Granny are really rough. The Rincewind books never did anything for me either. Small gods is great but it isn't a good intro into the kind of stories you'll get from the rest of the series. Best method is probably to grab any book from the middleish read that and then read the rest in order from whichever you can get your hands on. And just skip any book you aren't really feeling. I've re-read the series a lot but I usually skip rincewinds and one book from each subseries
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Oct 7, 2017 01:22
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GodFish posted:Just read all the books in roughly publication order you goons The best way to read Discworld is as a teenager discovering the illustrated The Colour Of Magic book buried among your New Age aunt's pewter dragon statues and dreamcatchers, on top of a Piers Anthony book you will later return to with undue optimism after the success of your previous foray. For real though anyone who enjoys OotS has a decent chance at enjoying the Discworld books, they come from a similar place of affectionate parody for fantasy evolving into sincere storytelling. I guess it's a little cross-generational at this point, which is kind of funny since by the accelerated timespeed the internet operates under OotS itself is already an artifact of an earlier epoch.
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Oct 7, 2017 01:44
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Earnestly posted:What the gently caress are you nerds talking about ITT? I also have no idea what people are talking about because I've never read Diskworld nut also OOTS is roughly three times as nerdy as Diskworld so you really don't have any room to be calling anyone else in this thread nerds.
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reignonyourparade posted:I also have no idea what people are talking about because I've never read Diskworld nut also OOTS is roughly three times as nerdy as Diskworld so you really don't have any room to be calling anyone else in this thread nerds.
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Oct 7, 2017 02:12
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Obviously people should start with Going Postal. That's not even up for debate.
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Oct 7, 2017 02:22
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Be like me and start with Witches Abroad and Making Money because that's what was available at the bookstore you went to!
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Oct 7, 2017 02:29
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I started with a short Granny story in an anthology: the Sea and Little Fishes. I loved it, and read just about everything afterwards. Small Gods is my favorite, but Hogfather captured my heart, too. Night Watch too, if only because it opened my eyes to the gigantic, grinding machine that cities (and by extension, civilization) were and the impact it has on everything and everyone. (I'm sure it was that one, inner of the latter Vimes novels, certainly) edit: civilization, not civilian Bell_ fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Oct 7, 2017 |
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Oct 7, 2017 03:21
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reignonyourparade posted:I also have no idea what people are talking about because I've never read Diskworld nut also OOTS is roughly three times as nerdy as Diskworld so you really don't have any room to be calling anyone else in this thread nerds. No, no: Diskworld is the square planet in the A-drive of a DOS-operating elephant. Clearly you've gotten confused.
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Oct 7, 2017 03:25
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Bell_ posted:I started with a short Granny story in an anthology: the Sea and Little Fishes. I loved it, and read just about everything afterwards. Small Gods is my favorite, but Hogfather captured my heart, too. Night Watch is definitely my favorite, I don't know why; it largely excludes a number of the City Watch series regulars, and it's odd to see a book from that series so focused on one character, but still manages to be really fun.
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Oct 7, 2017 03:58
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I love Night Watch, but you really, really want to read the previous Ankh-Morpork books before Night Watch for best results, particularly the Watch books.
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Oct 7, 2017 04:47
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The general advice with discworld is to read the later stuff first because they start off as just a really good satire on fantasy tropes and then do other stuff later. But this is the Order of the Stick thread. If you like OotS you can just read them in the order they were released and it'll be fine. it worked for me.
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reignonyourparade posted:I also have no idea what people are talking about because I've never read Diskworld nut also OOTS is roughly three times as nerdy as Diskworld so you really don't have any room to be calling anyone else in this thread nerds. shut up nerd. You post on a dying comedy forum. I don't have to listen to you.
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People seem to make a big deal about the later Discworld novels not being as good, and I totally don't agree. They're a very different flavour of good, and Pratchett throws a lot of the canon from the first few books away for his later stuff, but the idea that they're so bad that they'd put people off of the others seems pretty excessive.
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Whybird posted:People seem to make a big deal about the later Discworld novels not being as good, and I totally don't agree. They're a very different flavour of good, and Pratchett throws a lot of the canon from the first few books away for his later stuff, but the idea that they're so bad that they'd put people off of the others seems pretty excessive. Someone earlier mentioned are a few later books that dispose of any pretense for action or suspense, and devolve into several Mary Sue characters talking at each other for paragraphs at a time, then changing the scenery and doing it a bit more; I'm in the middle of reading Snuff and that rang true, but it may shift as the book progresses.
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some of the very last books i think didn't get as much of an editing pass as earlier ones might have out of favor of getting as many stories out there as possible before the end i don't know if that's true or not, just my own impression from reading them and my limited knowledge of the situation. rip pratchett
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That's broadly right but it's more that towards the end he simply couldn't do his usual editing process anymore. I think he was essentially unable to read or write and had to dictate everything.
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Thaddius the Large posted:Someone earlier mentioned are a few later books that dispose of any pretense for action or suspense, and devolve into several Mary Sue characters talking at each other for paragraphs at a time, then changing the scenery and doing it a bit more; I'm in the middle of reading Snuff and that rang true, but it may shift as the book progresses. Snuff made me realize it was time to retire the Vimes character, who used to be my favorite. I still love most of the Watch books though.
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i've only ever really liked the books about DEATH and it's probably bc they aren't as specific genre parodys as the other books OOTS doesn't really have a non-parody or genre trope character now that i think about it, Monster in the Darkness might be the closest to being truly original huh
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Oct 7, 2017 17:32
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Reading all these Pratchett posts is making me sad all over again.
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mandatory lesbian posted:i've only ever really liked the books about DEATH and it's probably bc they aren't as specific genre parodys as the other books Even MitD starts out as a joke about Xykon's villainous sense of drama.
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Renoistic posted:Snuff made me realize it was time to retire the Vimes character, who used to be my favorite. I still love most of the Watch books though. In Snuff, Vimes became a glib Chuck Norris imitation who casually threatened a suspect with the prospect of prison rape. His butler, whose name escapes me, basically became loving Batman, instead of obliquely referencing his background in the Shades as an implied threat of dire consequences. There was no subtlety or subtext in the whole story and it read like bad fanfic.
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jeebus bob posted:In Snuff, Vimes became a glib Chuck Norris imitation who casually threatened a suspect with the prospect of prison rape. His butler, whose name escapes me, basically became loving Batman, instead of obliquely referencing his background in the Shades as an implied threat of dire consequences. Thud was a late one, and still good. And people say I shall wear midnight is ok. Its just the last few where theres a slump.
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