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Oct 13, 2017 02:58
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StudlyCaps posted:If it's an option though, shopping ethically is better than nothing, right? What does shopping ethically mean? The supply chain for many modern goods is so complex that it's essentially impossible for a normal person to know if a given product is ethical or not.
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Oct 13, 2017 02:59
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StudlyCaps posted:If it's an option though, shopping ethically is better than nothing, right? Depends what you define as ethical, I guess. If you're buying fresh fruit or veggies, odds are the produce was picked by someone being paid less than minimum wage. Buying that produce from a locally owned store is better than from Colesworth but there are still multiple layers of exploitation involved.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:01
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open24hours posted:What does shopping ethically mean? The supply chain for many modern goods is so complex that it's essentially impossible for a normal person to know if a given product is ethical or not. lol
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Oct 13, 2017 03:03
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open24hours posted:What does shopping ethically mean? The supply chain for many modern goods is so complex that it's essentially impossible for a normal person to know if a given product is ethical or not. That's true, for what little difference it makes though shopping at an IGA at least seems better than Coles or Woolies.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:03
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The Before Times posted:Depends what you define as ethical, I guess. If you're buying fresh fruit or veggies, odds are the produce was picked by someone being paid less than minimum wage. "Ethical" goods are a major boom market and you'd have to be naive as all hell to believe that the companies cashing in on it give two flying fucks about the ethics and not about the all that money they're wheeling in.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:04
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CrazyTolradi posted:The problem with "oh I like to buy ethically" is that it's expensive as gently caress and is essentially a feel-good behaviour for bourgies who are all "Hmm maybe my life is problematic? Better do something about it!" so that they can sleep better at night. If you are having to choose between food and medicine, then sure, shop wherever its cheapest. Im fortunate enough to not be in that situation, even if I am on centrelink. For people not in that situation, there are usually options other than colesworth that are not that much more expensive or too far out of their way. Its just that most people are inherently lazy and its much easier just to go to one shop where they have everything they need, rather than a greengrocer for fresh vegies and a butcher for meat. The fact that some people are doing it tough does not mean people who are doing it easy should just say "gently caress it, whats the point"
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Oct 13, 2017 03:04
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StudlyCaps posted:That's true, for what little difference it makes though shopping at an IGA at least seems better than Coles or Woolies. I think you could probably make reasonable arguments either way. Some people might argue that you should shop wherever's cheapest so you have more left over to donate to people with nothing.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:05
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CrazyTolradi posted:Also that locally owned store, at the end of the day, is still a business and if you gave them half a chance to grow to the size of Wesfarmers they'd do it in a loving heartbeat. Think of it like voting for the greens. Sure, they arent going to form government, but voting for them sends a signal towards those who do get in that you prefer your products to be ethically produced and not to gently caress over primary producers so hard.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:07
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Different topic, has ABC News' site always had comments sections on all their articles? I never remember seeing them a little bit a go but now every article seems to have them. I never understood why a news site would even want comments, seems really tabloid-y.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:11
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StudlyCaps posted:Different topic, has ABC News' site always had comments sections on all their articles? I never remember seeing them a little bit a go but now every article seems to have them. Are you trying to silence the old cranks from having their say. My taxes pay for their website and we need some good honest lunatic conservatives to balance out the ABC communist marxist socialist madness
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Oct 13, 2017 03:15
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I'm posting on an iPhone built by slaves, dressed in clothes stitched by slaves, and then I'm going to drive home in my car powered by oil purchased from a regressive terrorist theocracy. But I'm also going to be a jerk because people buy their groceries from the wrong place.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:19
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StudlyCaps posted:Different topic, has ABC News' site always had comments sections on all their articles? I never remember seeing them a little bit a go but now every article seems to have them. The ABC is tabloid-y now. Just look at their article on allowing comments. http://www.abc.net.au/news/about/backstory/digital/2017-09-07/comments-abc-news-audience-engagement/8878604
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Oct 13, 2017 03:21
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NPR Journalizard posted:Think of it like voting for the greens. Sure, they arent going to form government, but voting for them sends a signal towards those who do get in that you prefer your products to be ethically produced and not to gently caress over primary producers so hard. These places are still paying award rates (or tbh below in a lot of cases) and while some extra % of amount from product sold might go to the producers (who are mostly huge exploitative fucks) the majority on the extra you pay at an IGA etc is going into the hands of the owners and the franchise. Essentially, it's just poo poo all the way down and no matter where you shop, there's still severe exploitation involved. The idea of "ethical consumption" is purely one to make people feel better about themselves and their purchases, without necessarily being more ethical in a real sense. Not to mention the barrier such purchases present to those who are severely disadvantaged by inequality, who are only able to buy from Omni Consumer Products/Colesworths.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:22
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open24hours posted:The ABC is tabloid-y now. Just look at their article on allowing comments. http://www.abc.net.au/news/about/backstory/digital/2017-09-07/comments-abc-news-audience-engagement/8878604
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Oct 13, 2017 03:23
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cohsae posted:Are you trying to silence the old cranks from having their say. Yeah I guess balanced coverage is hearing from both sides! 
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Oct 13, 2017 03:23
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somebody post the loving sonic pic jfc
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Oct 13, 2017 03:25
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fine I'll do it myself
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Oct 13, 2017 03:29
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Birdstrike posted:somebody post the loving sonic pic jfc  
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Oct 13, 2017 03:34
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open24hours posted:The ABC is tabloid-y now. Just look at their article on allowing comments. http://www.abc.net.au/news/about/backstory/digital/2017-09-07/comments-abc-news-audience-engagement/8878604 "I enjoy the comment on the online forums in The Australian. They have been debating SSM for over a year. A lot of interesting information has come out of the discussion" Yeah, I'll bet.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:37
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Oct 13, 2017 03:49
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Man I know Paladins are a pain in the arse but I wouldn't call them fascists
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Oct 13, 2017 03:54
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GoldStandardConure posted:I'll have to double-check with Goast but I am pretty sure she gets free healthcare (she has a medicare card etc), but we got private anyway to cover things like emergency ambulance, dental etc. Yeah, back when I was a permanent resident I got free healthcare. The thing I got with my letter telling me I was allowed to stay specifically suggested I register for it immediately. This was back in 2011, though.
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Oct 13, 2017 03:59
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StudlyCaps posted:That's true, for what little difference it makes though shopping at an IGA at least seems better than Coles or Woolies. iga is as expensive as gently caress and is essentially a feel-good behaviour for bourgies, apparently. NPR Journalizard posted:
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Oct 13, 2017 04:14
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Step one make the ABC walk and talk like a news limited publication Step two sell off the ABC to news limited.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:17
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"Ethical consumption is impossible under capitalism!" i shout over my shoulder as i run down the street with the beggars takings in my fist
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Oct 13, 2017 04:18
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:iga is as expensive as gently caress and is essentially a feel-good behaviour for bourgies, apparently.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:22
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Anidav posted:Step one make the ABC walk and talk like a news limited publication They can't do step 2 wholesale; people (including a lot of Coalition voters) love the ABC too much. What they can do is spin off various bits or close them down, like what happened with the Australia Network.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:23
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:"Ethical consumption is impossible under capitalism!" i shout over my shoulder as i run down the street with the beggars takings in my fist this guy gets it
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Oct 13, 2017 04:24
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They can't do step 2 wholesale; people (including a lot of Coalition voters) love the ABC too much. What they can do is spin off various bits or close them down, like what happened with the Australia Network. I have never understood why the ALP didnt campaign hard as gently caress on this because all they have to say is "loving with the ABC is loving with your emergency broadcaster and will cost people lives" and the majority of people in the country loving love the abc
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Oct 13, 2017 04:25
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Nats love the ABC as well.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:27
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NPR Journalizard posted:I have never understood why the ALP didnt campaign hard as gently caress on this because all they have to say is "loving with the ABC is loving with your emergency broadcaster and will cost people lives" and the majority of people in the country loving love the abc Labor is dumb as gently caress
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Oct 13, 2017 04:28
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They did that when they shut down shortwave but it didn't get much traction. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/27/bill-shorten-calls-on-turnbull-to-save-shortwave-radio-broadcasts-in-nt
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Oct 13, 2017 04:29
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If the Libs ever threaten to take away ABC Kids get ready for a hundred year Labor reign
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Oct 13, 2017 04:33
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:iga is as expensive as gently caress and is essentially a feel-good behaviour for bourgies, apparently. Getting Streets icecream at the IGA is more ethical than getting Streets icecream at Coles... And getting mass produced items from the Baltics at my local deli is even more ethical!
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Oct 13, 2017 04:36
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HookShot posted:If you're a permanent resident you're entitled to free healthcare, aren't you? Why would you get a letter ordering you to get private, that sounds ridiculous. http://www.privatehealth.gov.au/healthinsurance/incentivessurcharges/lifetimehealthcover.htm
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Oct 13, 2017 04:36
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NPR Journalizard posted:I have never understood why the ALP didnt campaign hard as gently caress on this because all they have to say is "loving with the ABC is loving with your emergency broadcaster and will cost people lives" and the majority of people in the country loving love the abc I can't believe there hasn't been one bit about, oh, let's say 'putting Fox News in charge of the ABC'.
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Oct 13, 2017 04:39
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Synthbuttrange posted:Labor is dumb as gently caress Tokamak posted:Getting Streets icecream at the IGA is more ethical than getting Streets icecream at Coles... And getting mass produced items from the Baltics at my local deli is even more ethical!
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Oct 13, 2017 04:49
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Sappy Fingers posted:I'm entitled to Medicare. The letter I refer to was about the Lifetime Health Cover -- if I don't get 'hospital cover' and I'm over 30, then I have to pay a 2% penalty on top of my premiums for every year I don't buy insurance. At the time of the letter I couldn't afford to buy insurance, so I held it off until I got a better job. To be fair, that 2% loading only comes in if you actually get private health cover at some point... I've never quite worked out why this is an incentive to get private cover rather than one to not do so...
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Oct 13, 2017 05:02
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Sappy Fingers posted:I'm entitled to Medicare. The letter I refer to was about the Lifetime Health Cover -- if I don't get 'hospital cover' and I'm over 30, then I have to pay a 2% penalty on top of my premiums for every year I don't buy insurance. At the time of the letter I couldn't afford to buy insurance, so I held it off until I got a better job. Oh, ok, yeah that makes sense. Of course Australia is ridiculous that way and the whole thing is stupid but now I get what you mean. I thought you meant you had to get private cover since you weren't covered by medicare at all.
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Oct 13, 2017 05:06
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