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ninjewtsu posted:Thunderbolt: December Sky worked super well as a standalone movie, and I showed it to several friends who had never seen gundam before and they liked it Yeah between the second season being a step down in terms of animation (and I mean that specifically; the style changed slightly but lots of animation in particular has been 2nd string.) and the less focused, not intimately plotted story, it didn't have nearly the same spark. Watching is just like "and soooo when does daryl and io bump into each other again?" The complaint is less that that's all I'm interested in, but that whats going on isn't as interesting as that looming "whats gonna happen."
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Arcsquad12 posted:I love how thunderbolt undercuts the "can't we get along" speech between Cornelius and Carla by having some less charitable GM jockey use the opportunity to vaporize the zeon suicide pact The jazz that plays right as Carla's pulled out into space was the cherry on top, Thunderbolt's soundtrack is amazing
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Gammatron 64 posted:gently caress Relena, Diana from Turn A is the best politician lady in Gundam by a long shot. See, I'm giving Kihel the politician points, considering she's the one in Diana's chair for most of the series. I'd also say that Kudelia, while not the best, does get some points for being more of a politician than most Gundam politicians. Specific policies, compromises to achieve them, and a willingness to work with pretty much anyone to get things done.
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chiasaur11 posted:See, I'm giving Kihel the politician points, considering she's the one in Diana's chair for most of the series. Okay let's be fair, I get the two of them confused. I mean, they do look almost exactly alike and switch places Prince and the Pauper style a lot. I'm only 10 episodes into IBO but Kudelia is much better than Relena at least
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Relena and Kudelia are my top two Gundam heroines. I'm sure the third is obvious. It's Katejina. Just when you think there's a pattern forming, huh?
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Gammatron 64 posted:gently caress Relena, Diana from Turn A is the best politician lady in Gundam by a long shot. "Io is a terrifying murderer and daryl is a fairly good dude fighting for the lovely side" is very much a thing it was going for
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ninjewtsu posted:"Io is a terrifying murderer and daryl is a fairly good dude fighting for the lovely side" is very much a thing it was going for TBF it was also going for "Daryl is just as bad as Io in some ways but doesn't realize it" too
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i thought that was more about daryl becoming as bad as io, as he gradually lost himself (figuratively and literally) to the war
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Gammatron 64 posted:Also, Io Fleming is one of the most badass Gundam protagonists, although he's also kind of an rear end in a top hat and a bully and I was wondering if the series was trying to make me root for Daryl instead. It is, because Io is like Char and Daryl is like Amuro. it's a fun flip.
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Relena isn't a politician, she's stone cold gangsta.
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Also, the second season/Bandit Flower does show Io becoming significantly more heroic. Like, he's still kind of a dick, but there's some humility and altruism there. And yeah, Tomino has said repeatedly that it was the ladies who kept early Gundam going.
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Darth Walrus posted:Also, the second season/Bandit Flower does show Io becoming significantly more heroic. Like, he's still kind of a dick, but there's some humility and altruism there. iirc, one of the big audience bases for SEED, and I think 00, was Japanese housewives.
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TheKingofSprings posted:It means that the original Gundam was fairly dark relative to a lot of it's contemporaries and comparing it only to the work Tomino finished preceding it is a little misleading 70s and 80s super robot anime had a lot of extremely dark poo poo with people dying all over the loving place.
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The fact that Io makes fun of Darryl for being a quadruple amputee is both incredibly horrible and kind of unexpected and refreshing to see. He's a mean-spirited bully who is a borderline psychopath that kills people for fun. And yet they actually manage to make him kind of sympathetic because he's not totally evil. Like, he tries to get Claudia out of her drug addiction and he's kind of shocked and horrified that the Feddies are using child soldiers. Sorry Darryl, maybe I just have trouble sympathizing with the Zeon these days. I used to really like them because they had cooler looking mobile suits and they were the bad guys, and the bad guys are always cooler, right? Well... I just recently watched the Origin so Operation British is fresh in my mind. That and... uh... certain things going on in real life recently and their similarity to certain real life bad guys means that it's kind of hitting closer to home now than it did before. I look at those Zakus on the shelf and feel a little awkward and just a bit dirty. Thank God I always had enough common sense to never buy a Zeon flag, because if you have one, now might be a good time to burn it.
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Gammatron 64 posted:The fact that Io makes fun of Darryl for being a quadruple amputee is both incredibly horrible and kind of unexpected and refreshing to see. He's a mean-spirited bully who is a borderline psychopath that kills people for fun. And yet they actually manage to make him kind of sympathetic because he's not totally evil. Like, he tries to get Claudia out of her drug addiction and he's kind of shocked and horrified that the Feddies are using child soldiers. It helps that the battle of the Thunderbolt Sector manages to do a 'war brutalises both sides' thing without exonerating Zeon, because Zeon is responsible for both sides being as hosed-up as they are. It destroyed Side Four, spurring the Moore Brotherhod's fanaticism, and turned the Living Dead, its mutilated child soldiers, into human guinea pigs with nothing to live for but Gihren Zabi's hollow, crumbling ambition.
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TheKingofSprings posted:The jazz that plays right as Carla's pulled out into space was the cherry on top, Thunderbolt's soundtrack is amazing Thunderbolt has some decent jazzy bits but man are the engrishy songs terrible.
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Monaghan posted:Thunderbolt has some decent jazzy bits but man are the engrishy songs terrible. Eh, they're Darryl's music, and they characterise him nicely as the lovably uncool, soft-hearted goober to Io's cool, edgy jerk.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, they're Darryl's music, and they characterise him nicely as the lovably uncool, soft-hearted goober to Io's cool, edgy jerk. I know what they're going for, I just think the songs aren't good. I like a lot of corny j'pop stuff but whatever daryl is listening to is just bad. It takes me out of cool scenes, like when Io is charging at him with the gundam's beam saber.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:iirc, one of the big audience bases for SEED, and I think 00, was Japanese housewives. It was G-Reco.
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00 also had a strong lady audience but it lost some of the SEED audience which is why they ran into weird problems where model kits were selling but character merc wasn't selling as well as they liked which is probably part of what lead to some of the weird rewrites.
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Monaghan posted:Thunderbolt has some decent jazzy bits but man are the engrishy songs terrible. Terrs o'sadness an' der terrs of joy. I liked Oh God I'm Alone because it hits the blues/doo wop so well even if the language is near incomprehensible.
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Monaghan posted:I know what they're going for, I just think the songs aren't good. Yeah, but I feel that the songs being less than great kind of works. Dorky romantic kid ain't got taste.
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Oct 13, 2017 16:11
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Your music is poo poo, peg legs!
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I wish you hadn't made me aware it was in engrish. I liked that song (Dreaming Girl) when I was ignoring that it even had semi-comprehensible lyrics. It's cheesy good, just ogad the lyrics.
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Daryl and Io are Amuro and Char if they weren't in love
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ImpAtom posted:00 also had a strong lady audience but it lost some of the SEED audience which is why they ran into weird problems where model kits were selling but character merc wasn't selling as well as they liked which is probably part of what lead to some of the weird rewrites. The 00 haircut ending is one of the most blatantly out of character thing to try and get that audience back, it's incredible.
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EthanSteele posted:The 00 haircut ending is one of the most blatantly out of character thing to try and get that audience back, it's incredible. Right up there with 'We killed fan favorite Lockon, but don't worry, here is his identical twin brother who we will also call Lockon and never really mention it past the first few episodes and a nod in the finale'
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Guy Goodbody posted:That made me wonder if the Republic of Zeon had a flag and they did and it's good That's not bad though reusing the Nazi colors is bogus. EthanSteele posted:The 00 haircut ending is one of the most blatantly out of character thing to try and get that audience back, it's incredible. That was amazing.
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The fourth opening was so incredibly out of place in the context of 00
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Caros posted:Right up there with 'We killed fan favorite Lockon, but don't worry, here is his identical twin brother who we will also call Lockon and never really mention it past the first few episodes and a nod in the finale' Also his nice girlfriend dies and everyone shits on him constantly.
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Gammatron 64 posted:gently caress Relena, Diana from Turn A is the best politician lady in Gundam by a long shot. Hey, Lily is the one who is going to run this country in a skirt 
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EthanSteele posted:The 00 haircut ending is one of the most blatantly out of character thing to try and get that audience back, it's incredible. I love that ending, especially with setsuna dramatically throwing off the barber's cloth at the end to reveal his bare chest is the greatest.
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Lessail posted:They really should've planned ahead and had the twin brothers fighting for opposite sides They really should have had Saji pilot the 00 and left Lockon dead.
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Caros posted:They really should have had Saji pilot the 00 and left Lockon dead. Bringing Saji into Celestial Being was the worst thing they could've done for his character
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