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ikanreed posted:Jesus that's some libertarian-to-fascist pipeline right there. I don't see it as a subversion so much as a pretty direct line. Think about your typical mental image of the rhetorically-contrary libertarian: white, middle-class male. The libertarian thesis here is that they'd be successful if not for regulations/restrictions/society in some way. The core point is that it's the individual who then supposedly gains control of all their circumstances - the default is then assumed to be the self, and differing backgrounds are not so much 'different' as 'not normal'. It's an easy jump from there to shift the blame from the vague idea of regulation and government to visibly different individuals who go against the attempt at a universalized sense of self and norm definitions. Combine that with the trend towards ironic detachment in online anonymous/pseudonymous spaces, and you're pretty much in an ideal space for these ideologies.
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McGlockenshire posted:
That's almost straight out of Harper's 1941 article Who Goes Nazi?: Dorothy Thompson posted:Those who haven’t anything in them to tell them what they like and what they don’t-whether it is breeding, or happiness, or wisdom, or a code, however old-fashioned or however modern, go Nazi.
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# ? Oct 12, 2017 02:55 |
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https://the-grey-tribe.tumblr.com/post/166353587898/fundamentally-the-problem-is-that-both-sides-use#notes Every time someone says stuff like this, Trey Parker gets a boner
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# ? Oct 13, 2017 19:40 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:https://the-grey-tribe.tumblr.com/post/166353587898/fundamentally-the-problem-is-that-both-sides-use#notes quote:If you’re writing a textbook on game design based on first principles, 1. A game is all that is done in play. 1.1 A game is the totality of rules, not of things. 1.11 A game is determined by the rules, and by their being all the rules 1.12
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# ? Oct 13, 2017 19:46 |
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ate all the Oreos posted:Also that as a kickstarter backer I got a "True Buckaroo" badge coffee mug that I love and cherish This is indeed a good mug. I insist it’s my wife’s but she occasionally insists on giving it to me with morning coffee.
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# ? Oct 14, 2017 07:06 |
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ikanreed posted:Jesus that's some libertarian-to-fascist pipeline right there. Please remember that this is the goal of the people funding the American Libertarian movement, media, think tanks, and so on, people like the Kochs and the Mercers (the former who fund Cato Institute, “Reason,” etc. and the latter who fund Breitbart). To them true libertarians are useful idiots who can help advance their policy agenda, and also a testbed for the ideas which they’ll roll out to the rest of the right in time. The reason we’re only now seeing things like holocaust denial and other forms of Anti-Semitismis because it didn’t “take” the first time it was floated to the libertarian beta-testers. This time around a lot of people were pre-primed by right-wing media’s nonstop opposition to Obama, a bunch of new people were drawn in via Gamergate, and both of those groups were much more receptive when told “you should hate these groups, they’re the ones who are responsible for your problems.” That’s a big reason I’m really scared by some of the current US administration’s anti-trans moves: It certainly looks like they’ve picked the group they want to target for the first wave of full-scale oppression, the group they’ll “practice” on before turning hate—and policy—against ever more of us.
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eschaton posted:Please remember that this is the goal of the people funding the American Libertarian movement, media, think tanks, and so on, people like the Kochs and the Mercers (the former who fund Cato Institute, “Reason,” etc. and the latter who fund Breitbart). To them true libertarians are useful idiots who can help advance their policy agenda, and also a testbed for the ideas which they’ll roll out to the rest of the right in time. I don't really buy this. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Kochs, at least, are libertarian true believers. The libertarian-to-fascism pipeline definitely exists, but it has more to do with Rand and Rothbard than with Reason and Cato.
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# ? Oct 15, 2017 04:47 |
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Silver2195 posted:I don't really buy this. For one thing, I'm pretty sure the Kochs, at least, are libertarian true believers. The libertarian-to-fascism pipeline definitely exists, but it has more to do with Rand and Rothbard than with Reason and Cato. Libertarians (at least, not the good, Spanish Civil war-era ones) are Nazis who deliberately obfuscate their political positions, hth.
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 06:50 |
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Samovar posted:Libertarians (at least, not the good, Spanish Civil war-era ones) are Nazis who deliberately obfuscate their political positions, hth. they're nazis who haven't realized they're nazis yet. all it takes is a liiiitle push to send them over the edge into open fascism
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 06:56 |
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noether posted:they're nazis who haven't realized they're nazis yet. all it takes is a liiiitle push to send them over the edge into open fascism Power and lack of accountability, even on a petty scale, can reveal closet authoritarians who just don't want any authority higher than themselves and just want to be Lord of their own little clan/plantation/kingdom.
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 12:56 |
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Samovar posted:Libertarians (at least, not the good, Spanish Civil war-era ones) are Nazis who deliberately obfuscate their political positions, hth. There are people who self identify as libertarians and definitely aren't Nazis (e.g., Radley Balko).
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 13:46 |
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oh god the streams cross note where he stops halfway through the gag to explain the gag
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:48 |
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Samovar posted:Libertarians (at least, not the good, Spanish Civil war-era ones) are Nazis who deliberately obfuscate their political positions, hth.
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:58 |
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pookel posted:Some of them, sure. But the Cato Institute, for example, supports fully open borders and free trade. That is pretty far from the Nazi position by any reckoning. The Nazis supported the open borders of Belgium much more than the closed borders of the Maginot Line.
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# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:53 |
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Less Wrong Tumblr defends the honor of David Auerbach
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 03:12 |
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divabot posted:oh god the streams cross I had to double check the date on there. It takes a rare kind of mind to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon in 2017.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 03:24 |
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Goon Danton posted:I had to double check the date on there. It takes a rare kind of mind to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon in 2017.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 03:28 |
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Surely the scandal here is that Auerbach and Yiannopoulos were pen pals at all? The details of what Auerbach wrote seem beside the point.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 04:31 |
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pookel posted:Some of them, sure. But the Cato Institute, for example, supports fully open borders and free trade. That is pretty far from the Nazi position by any reckoning. Cato will support open borders right up until the Kochs tell them not to. Just like “Reason” floated trial balloons for Holocaust denial and Anti-Semitism among libertarians once upon a time.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 04:45 |
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Silver2195 posted:Surely the scandal here is that Auerbach and Yiannopoulos were pen pals at all? The details of what Auerbach wrote seem beside the point. Indeed, anything about “you haven’t shown me any emails” or “if I don’t know what they say I can’t comment on them” is misdirection from that. Nobody in their right might has a good reason to email someone like Milo.
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I'll level with you, I have no idea who that is.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 08:30 |
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Passing $5000 has lead to a bunch of news stories about it. Pumping 5000 gallons of farts into a balloon without it bursting is newsworthy, I guess.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 09:45 |
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Cavelcade posted:I'll level with you, I have no idea who that is. Professional opinion-haver, Gamergate "well there's two sides here"-er, and ... the guy who made Roko's Basilisk really famous! Goon Danton posted:I had to double check the date on there. It takes a rare kind of mind to jump on the bitcoin bandwagon in 2017. He appears to seriously believe blockchainery proceeds from the engineers to management and marketing, and not the other way around.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 10:34 |
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divabot posted:oh god the streams cross tag yourselves, i'm the complete lack of punchline
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 11:27 |
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MikeCrotch posted:tag yourselves, i'm the complete lack of punchline I'm the reverence with which the author, who believes that gravity doesn't exist, refers to The Blockchain. Yet again nerds invent religion in order to fill the gaping void in their lives left behind when their smugness starts to burn itself out.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 11:42 |
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Nonsense. Smugness is an eternal flame.MikeCrotch posted:tag yourselves, i'm the complete lack of punchline I'm the gradient void the characters have been banished to for all time
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 11:47 |
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divabot posted:Professional opinion-haver, Gamergate "well there's two sides here"-er, and ... the guy who made Roko's Basilisk really famous! Makes sense though, engineers are early adopters of really terrible ideas. Management aren't dumb enough to send emails talking about etc. *edit* excuse me, company wide emails Relevant Tangent has a new favorite as of 12:32 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:Makes sense though, engineers are early adopters of really terrible ideas. Management aren't dumb enough to send emails talking about etc. Someone has never gotten drunk with HR employees.
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divabot posted:Professional opinion-haver, Gamergate "well there's two sides here"-er, and ... the guy who made Roko's Basilisk really famous! I think you mean master of demographics https://the-grey-tribe.tumblr.com/post/166467089198/thirqual-the-grey-tribe-the Silver2195 posted:Surely the scandal here is that Auerbach and Yiannopoulos were pen pals at all? The details of what Auerbach wrote seem beside the point. Look, I'm sick of all these SJWs questioning my text chain with Charles Manson. We just share baking memes
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 14:26 |
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https://twitter.com/menangahela/status/920297374014156801
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:10 |
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The funny thing is, Scott Adams thinks this isn't a sick burn by the marketing guy, a dude who does nothing but explain ideas to people in palatable ways.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:20 |
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We have a saying in my branch of academia: if you can't teach it, you don't understand it.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:23 |
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Thinkpiece author Sam Kriss apparently committed sexual assault, and I searched twitter to see how people were reacting, and found a bunch of reasonable responses and this douche So I posted it here so people could share my pain https://twitter.com/ConquistadorMnd/status/920298247775760385 https://twitter.com/NewAgeInsurgent/status/920300748780589056
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 16:46 |
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Goon Danton posted:We have a saying in my branch of academia: if you can't teach it, you don't understand it. I think that's just a good saying in general, I've heard it just out in professional life (and used it a few times myself )
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:30 |
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Sounds like someone needs to hurry up and go their own way
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:31 |
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Better a thousand honest fascists than a glistening sleaze called Sam Kriss.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:52 |
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BTW: Don't look up Sam Kriss on twitter, it is now like, half people reacting sensibly and half alt-right dudes going into conniptions about Jewish ironycels
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 17:53 |
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Remind me, what sort of thinkpieces did Sam Kriss write? The name does sound familiar.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 18:05 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Remind me, what sort of thinkpieces did Sam Kriss write? The name does sound familiar. Infamously, “Twerking over Ghouta”, and also that takedown of JK Rowling. He also backhandedly supported Marine Le Pen in the presidential election this year.
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# ? Oct 17, 2017 18:15 |
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Darth Walrus posted:Remind me, what sort of thinkpieces did Sam Kriss write? The name does sound familiar. https://thebaffler.com/salvos/degrasse-tyson-kriss-atheists And a bunch of other overblown poorly argued lovely takedowns of idiots people would try to convince you were good
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