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DreamShipWrecked posted:Early game spoiler I don't think he shows up again.
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Oct 17, 2017 01:37
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Calaveron posted:Yeah, a bit of lore I remember is that what'shisface Iluvatar's sibling or something created dwarves without Iluvatar's permission and when he found out he got pissy and threatened to destroy the dwarves but seeing them cower made him realize they had a soul and were cool and allowed them to exist Iluvatar's subordinate, child, whatever- Iluvatar is literally the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, and Aule, the maker of the Dwarves, is one of his highest-ranked servants, the Valar (Gandalf and Sauron are Maiar, which are of the same 'species' as the Valar but weaker and thus one level down on the tier- Morgoth/Melkor was a Valar). Aule created the the Dwarves because he was so eager to teach things that he literally couldn't wait any longer for Iluvatar's true children (the Elves in this case- Men would come much later) and created the Dwarves, and Iluvatar said "what the gently caress son, only I can create life." Which was actually true- the Dwarves were basically puppets and the second Aule stopped directing them with his own thought they literally stopped doing anything, because only Iluvatar had the Secret Flame that would allow him to create true, free-thinking life. Aule realized he'd hosed up and said "you're right, dad, I'll fix this" and lifted his hammer to destroy the dwarves. The dwarves immediately cowered because they now had free will. Because Aule, unlike Morgoth, literally had no ill intent behind his creation of his own life and immediately and sincerely repented, Iluvatar took pity on Aule and 'adopted' the Dwarves, and said "alright, they can live and be free, but they can't awake before my creations."
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Oct 17, 2017 01:38
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Jack Trades posted:A free update that will be released together with the first DLC, the Slaughter Tribe, will include Endless Shadow Wars gamemode. Hmm, that's pretty much what i thought would happen at the end of the game, so i'm happy with that. Will let me lose fortresses, siege them and defend them and gently caress around with uruks with all gameplay elements still avaliable.
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Oct 17, 2017 01:42
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Hihohe posted:Wasnt Aragorn technically a half elf but he chose Man instead of Elf and Arwen was his cousin. Aragorn was a Dunedain, a Man with Numenorean lineage. Basically humans+. No elf in him, but the Numenoreans were blessed.
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Oct 17, 2017 01:46
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don't think he shows up again. Of course not, he shows up for five minutes then fucks off for the rest of the game, just like in the first one. It's just so weird that he is there at all.
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Oct 17, 2017 01:53
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SettingSun posted:Aragorn was a Dunedain, a Man with Numenorean lineage. Basically humans+. No elf in him, but the Numenoreans were blessed. Yeah Aragorn lives to be like 200.
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Oct 17, 2017 01:58
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So what's the deal with the training pit unlock for forts? I cheesed the final pit by using a poisonous orc 15 levels below his poison vulnerable opponent and I'm not seeing anything new in my fortress or any optionsfor building.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:01
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-Assist your follower in a chase mission. Follower is reinforced by broken Brûz. -Target somehow escapes. Because I recruited an old Warchief, target becomes new Warchief. -Set up same follower to infiltrate as new Warchief's bodyguard. -Find out at the betrayal mission that follower has become blood brother to the new Warchief. -Warchief flees his own betrayal, causing follower to get mad that I "killed" the blood brother he just hit with a flaming mace.  -Shun follower's rear end, worse than death.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:04
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Restrained Crown Posse posted:So what's the deal with the training pit unlock for forts? I cheesed the final pit by using a poisonous orc 15 levels below his poison vulnerable opponent and I'm not seeing anything new in my fortress or any optionsfor building. You have to reach level 40 to unlock the 4th warchief slot, then the 5th slot will be opened automatically if you cleared fighting pits
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Oct 17, 2017 02:08
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Why's Gollum all over Celebrimbor if dude's an elf which Gollum hates and light too which Gollum double hates Is it just because he can create new rings
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Oct 17, 2017 02:09
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What the gently caress, my prize pitfighter just died because his Power Hungry trait never fired and he never got enraged by the higher-level orc. Goddamnit.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:14
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So spoilers for Act 4 don't read if you aren't there Since I don't have my bro anymore is the level 60 Bright Lord Armor basically pointless or what?
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Oct 17, 2017 02:23
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Of course not, he shows up for five minutes then fucks off for the rest of the game, just like in the first one. It's just so weird that he is there at all.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:23
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Calaveron posted:Is it just because he can create new rings It's not exactly fleshed-out lore, but I think the idea is that he either wants a new ring or think Celebrimbor will somehow lead him to the one ring. I seem to remember in a post-blackout cutscene in the first game Gollum was rifling through Talion's pockets, presumably because he figured this random guy had the/a ring. The answer is still "to tie this poo poo in with the movies", though.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:24
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Talion is lame and Ratbag should have been the protagonist, imo
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Oct 17, 2017 02:25
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I don't mind Gollum's inclusion in the game because lol lotr canon and also because Liam O'Brian is a dead loving ringer for what's his face the original guy
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Oct 17, 2017 02:28
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SettingSun posted:Aragorn was a Dunedain, a Man with Numenorean lineage. Basically humans+. No elf in him, but the Numenoreans were blessed. The Nimenoreans were basically from Tolkien’s version of Atlantis, right? So are they really human+ or were they what the human baseline was supposed to be like, but after their scattering and the collapse of their civilization everyone eventually became human-?
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Oct 17, 2017 02:32
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Sky Shadowing posted:Iluvatar's subordinate, child, whatever- Iluvatar is literally the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, and Aule, the maker of the Dwarves, is one of his highest-ranked servants, the Valar (Gandalf and Sauron are Maiar, which are of the same 'species' as the Valar but weaker and thus one level down on the tier- Morgoth/Melkor was a Valar). so where the gently caress do orcs and trolls come from then? i have read some but its all over the place and contradictory mostly because tolkien didn't really care and or didn't get around to it. i know shadow of series is going more of the movie ideas but idk.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:33
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Mailer posted:It's not exactly fleshed-out lore, but I think the idea is that he either wants a new ring or think Celebrimbor will somehow lead him to the one ring. I seem to remember in a post-blackout cutscene in the first game Gollum was rifling through Talion's pockets, presumably because he figured this random guy had the/a ring. thats sorta why i always counted as movie canon(or at least WB movie canon) mostly because of stuff like that and one of the ending shots.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:35
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Vargs posted:Talion is lame and Ratbag should have been the protagonist, imo Waypoint's Austin Walker agrees  Talion loving sucks, also his Oblivion default-character-creator-looking-rear end is from 2005 or some poo poo
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Oct 17, 2017 02:37
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Waypoint's Austin Walker agrees i disagree with walkers opinions on the game(he hates it) but talion is crap, he isnt the worst protaganest in a game i have played, but he is up there. he is only fun with ratbag and sometimes with celebrimbor the broken facist ghost who i actualy find interesting to an extent. in someways i think talions character(or more to the point lack of) works because he is a corpse puppet and alot of characters treat him as such. it doesnt help that everyone is more interesting then him.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:42
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The only moment I ever liked Talion in both games (so far, just got to Seregost/Gorgoroth) was in 1 when he loses his poo poo at Ratbag when he coyly implies he's gonna go murder some orcs and Ratbag misunderstands and Talion just goes like I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT IDIOT Also his stubble is gross and weird. They shoulda just done a 5 o clock shadow solid texture instead of individually modelling each gross icky hair
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Oct 17, 2017 02:46
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The ideal game would've been if Celebrimbor somehow got booted out of Talion and bound to some random lowly orc that you play as, so he's just constantly expressing contempt for everything you're doing even as he helps you rise to power to oppose Sauron. Heck, maybe he jumps into a new orc every time the last one dies, so you get to play as a new gnarly-faced dude with pieces of metal in your head each time.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:56
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:The Nimenoreans were basically from Tolkien’s version of Atlantis, right? So are they really human+ or were they what the human baseline was supposed to be like, but after their scattering and the collapse of their civilization everyone eventually became human-? Long story short, in the First Age some of the Edain (humans of the First Age) help the Elves defeat Morgoth. Those humans were granted their own island and a boon to their lifespan, wisdom and height. A whole bunch of other Edain remained in Middle Earth proper and descended into the normal humans. Numenorians succumbed to their hubris and their island was destroyed. Survivors make their way back to Middle Earth and descend into the Dunedain, who retain all the bonuses god gave them. A bunch of those jerks, Aragorn's direct ancestors, found Gondor, by the way.
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Oct 17, 2017 02:56
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Triarii posted:The ideal game would've been if Celebrimbor somehow got booted out of Talion and bound to some random lowly orc that you play as, so he's just constantly expressing contempt for everything you're doing even as he helps you rise to power to oppose Sauron.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:04
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Triarii posted:Heck, maybe he jumps into a new orc every time the last one dies, so you get to play as a new gnarly-faced dude with pieces of metal in your head each time. Celebrimbor deliberately getting his orc hosts killed so that he can eventually luck into a cooler-looking orc
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Oct 17, 2017 03:06
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Triarii posted:Heck, maybe he jumps into a new orc every time the last one dies, so you get to play as a new gnarly-faced dude with pieces of metal in your head each time. Oh now that's a game idea. It would give death some stakes and give you good reason to vary up gameplay styles. Now you are a crossbow orc, now you are a poisonous shield orc. Give the elf ghost some kind of skill tree/progression system that remains permanent so it doesn't feel like you lose everything when you die. Monolith please let us be orcs
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Oct 17, 2017 03:08
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Another Humiliation orc... I'll never get past level 1.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:09
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I just started the 2nd fortress area and I brand this great Epic fire weapon shield tank orc. So, I send him to hunt down this enemy orc. Didn't notice that the enemy orc was being raided by another enemy orc and that they were being ambushed by this other enemy orc. So, there are three enemy orcs. I manage to brand one of the enemy orcs and have him stick around to fight by my side. One of the enemy orcs takes off running and gets away. I'm fighting the final orc and screw up a series of counters (X, square, circle) He gets a down chance on me and I manage to screw that up. The Epic fire orc comes up from behind me, thrusts his hook into the orcs eye, pushes him back, then yanks him forwards and pops his head off. Thanks for the save, Snafu!
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Oct 17, 2017 03:09
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Oh now that's a game idea. It would give death some stakes and give you good reason to vary up gameplay styles. Now you are a crossbow orc, now you are a poisonous shield orc. Give the elf ghost some kind of skill tree/progression system that remains permanent so it doesn't feel like you lose everything when you die. So Middle Earth: Super Hot?
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Oct 17, 2017 03:10
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hey folks, can you spot the problem with this orc? that's right. the problem is he's not the leader of a fortress yet. he lives dangerously. i like that in an orc
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Oct 17, 2017 03:15
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Kelp Plankton posted:hey folks, can you spot the problem with this orc? Well one problem is that he is a Troll not an Orc. Anyway just started the Final Zog Mission and look who here to greet me The 6 Orcs who were the biggest pains in my rear end that actually died. Warning there is a final Carnan/Zog Mission in Minas Morgul after you kill him the first time. I nearly missed it.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:19
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trolls are orcs too, if they want to be
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Oct 17, 2017 03:20
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I mean and aren't most of the guys you fight actually uruk-hai
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Oct 17, 2017 03:22
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Has anyone in the late game encountered any captains that just have their name, no suffixes? Just recruited a level 37 orc named Bagga, no title or anything, didn't say anything when we fought. Celebrimbor didn't say anything when dominating him either, just stared at him for a good 15 seconds then he was mine.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:29
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My dream concept for an Orcs of Mordor sequel would have the plot kick off with an initially small but ambiguously numbered group of Orcs starting a rebellion. You play a (semi-)randomly generated orc leading the group and when you die you are succeeded by the next in line. That or just port the nemesis system over to a Star Wars game and let me Dominate some clones.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:42
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Calaveron posted:I mean and aren't most of the guys you fight actually uruk-hai 
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Oct 17, 2017 03:50
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Ravenfood posted:Eh, its debatable. Uruks are seemingly super-orcs bred by Sauron (and later Saruman) that aren't seen until about 500 years after Minas Ithil fell but the enemies in the game also tend to be the taller, broader, more muscular build that characterizes uruks compared to regular orcs. So, they look like uruks but uruks shouldn't exist yet. (Olog-hai are also not mentioned at all until the right before the Ring is destroyed.) I've heard in-game dialogue of presumably orcs complaining about how "Uruks get special treatment" and other gripes so I think there's orcs and Uruks in game
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Oct 17, 2017 03:52
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I really wanted to love the Cairnan missions because the story is cool but holy poo poo, each one of those is like a showcase for places where SoW's gameplay falls apart. Those loving Drake controls are hideous.
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Oct 17, 2017 03:57
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poo poo, I just noticed that when you upgrade legendary gear it creates a new, higher level quest and removes the old quest reward. No wonder all my legendary gear has level 40 quest requirements even though I'm only 23. That's kind of a stupid system, to be honest. EDIT: Wait, legendary items don't actually have grayed-out powers like epics do. Whoops. I probably should be using more of them. Sindai fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Oct 17, 2017 |
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