Payday 3: We've Been Robbed

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EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

So instead of a whole bunch standard cops+specials scattered about, there's definite groups of cops with different AI patterns?

That could work.

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watho: Aug 2, 2013; The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

That�s how the game already works

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:26

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

EorayMel posted:

So instead of a whole bunch standard cops+specials scattered about, there's definite groups of cops with different AI patterns?

That could work.

Instead of "Spawn clones" it's "Spawn mix". Instead of 4 shields together, 4 tasers together, a pair of medics together or a pair of dozers together, it's a bunch of stuff. Except for Dozers - they spawn in pairs, with buddies.

Damnit Vox.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 17:59

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Also it's not really a "new" feature, more like bringing back something that was around for 3 years before out current balance overlord Jules deemed it to be a bad feature.

# ? Oct 16, 2017 18:18

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Can't post for 5 hours!

the specific spawn groups are a fairly reasonable handshake between the old group balance (which had so few interesting special spawns that specials ended up showing up in a really homogenous way) and the new group balance (which just spawns so many specials that they're interesting only in that they happen to be in the right place at the right time)

but they're nothing revolutionary in terms of tech, no

# ? Oct 16, 2017 22:48

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I gotta emphasize these will get toned down and reworked as needed to achieve fun endgame rather than smashing skull or cakewalk endgame. I'd love to get feedback from folks ingame.

(four cloakers during a control phase, what was I thinking- and where are all the black dozers?)

# ? Oct 17, 2017 00:16

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

(four cloakers during a control phase, what was I thinking- and where are all the black dozers?)

"Sure is a shame you don't see these guys so much on maps with rarely visited hiding places" and somewhere in your repressed memories of Reputation Beyond Reproach.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 01:24

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

maswastaken posted:

"Sure is a shame you don't see these guys so much on maps with rarely visited hiding places" and somewhere in your repressed memories of Reputation Beyond Reproach.

oh no, that's a separate fix, we're gonna try to split the cloakers that spawn in assaults and try to get to you from the ones that hide.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 02:16

swims: May 5, 2014; Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.

Discendo Vox posted:

I gotta emphasize these will get toned down and reworked as needed to achieve fun endgame rather than smashing skull or cakewalk endgame. I'd love to get feedback from folks ingame.

(four cloakers during a control phase, what was I thinking- and where are all the black dozers?)

I'm in the camp that random conceal carry civ would be a nice addition. Would have to be loud only though or could be problematic but no one stealths anyway.

If we're going all out: "Belongs in a Museum" should be an achievement for running loud Diamond without breaking any glass. To trigger it you'd have to have a loud kill within 30 sec so no cheesing it.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 05:32

swims: May 5, 2014; Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.

If current ingame assets only apply have heli escape dockyard be lightened up at the end a little and then the hotline chopper shows up and shoot at the crew. He'd show up mid water area once the first bomb part is secured.

E- just realized I'm fanficfioning but this is almost a real thing.

# ? Oct 17, 2017 05:42

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

Why the gently caress do I keep crashing as host when I'm almost through with Aftershock deathwish :saddowns:

# ? Oct 18, 2017 04:14

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

a friendly reminder to disable BLT and mods during this, the Season of Constant Updates. The hook, and thus all mods using it, are going to break until they get updated, which will likely not be until after crimefest.

# ? Oct 18, 2017 22:22

ThatOneGuy: Jul 26, 2001; Revolutionary Taste.

Discendo Vox posted:

a friendly reminder to disable BLT and mods during this, the Season of Constant Updates. The hook, and thus all mods using it, are going to break until they get updated, which will likely not be until after crimefest.

I thought that all the BLT mods were broken since around the Raid update?

# ? Oct 18, 2017 22:36

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

ThatOneGuy posted:

I thought that all the BLT mods were broken since around the Raid update?

There was an overarching update, luajit or whatever, that fixed everything with a nice shiny interface for mods that lets you check their update status. The warning above is the generic one; while I don't have inside info that some overarching change will break the hook, it's much more likely during crimefest- and Wilko's usually too busy putting out fires and generally ruining our gameplay experience to update it until things calm down.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Oct 18, 2017

# ? Oct 18, 2017 22:39

EorayMel: May 30, 2015; WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Fran�ais.

Locke is a smelly fish. :frogsiren:

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:15

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

edit: ^^NEVER MIND^^

Crimefest 2017 should be starting today. No word on any Crimefest 2017 site yet.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:15

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Day 1 in a nutshell:

Four new pixel masks
Improvements to discord integration
Changes to crimenet UI.
The big one, "storylines" -sequential side jobs that flesh out the payday 2 lore.

The following smaller changes were also made:
On Normal, reduced the damage for enemy units that are using the following weapons:

Compact-5
M308
Jackal
Bronco
Mac10

On Normal, increased the damage for the enemy units that are using the following weapons:

Reinfield 880
M4

Other changes:

Reduced the damage of melee attacks for enemy units on Normal and Hard difficulty
Tweaked movement speed for the shield units
Updated animation run speeds for the shield units
Fixed an issue with the third person animations for equipping akimbo weapons
Fixed an issue that caused team-AI not having a cooldown or their Inspire ability
Fixed an issue with the Healer ability for team-AI
Fixed and issue with Crime Spree achievements not getting awarded
Fixed and issue where the Enter the Gungeon masks required the game to restart to be awarded
Fixed an issue with the flip up sight on the Arbiter that caused it to be visible through walls
Fixed an issue with the Safehouse Sidejob screen when using a controller
Removed a VO event that was played twice on the Aftershock heist

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Oct 19, 2017

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:36

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

You should specify those enemy changes are only on normal difficulty.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:44

Aoi: Sep 12, 2017; Perpetually a Pain.

Hello, clown goons.

As someone that's new to the site, having read about 80 pages of this thread, skimming ahead from time to time, and being driven to reinstall PD2 for the first time in...hell, I'm fairly sure it was before 1 down and mayhem came out, and just before halloween, the Biker missions had just come out, so probably 2015? I had a question for you.

I suffer from an old throat injury that makes it really painful to speak, and when I can, it's little more than a barely discernible whisper. As such, I don't tend to use a mic while gaming. I still listen to what others say via mic and use in-game text as much as I can to attempt to communicate in co-op games, obviously, but I recognize that it is, clearly sub-par...still, it's all I can really do.

Would any of you still be interested in, possibly, playing with me at some point, or is that a bridge too far? I do recognize and acknowledge the whole 'no mic, no play' concept, as communication is vital, so if you were to actually respond to this and say "no", I'd understand.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:52

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Can't post for 5 hours!

there's lots of people who don't speak while playing this video game. simply having someone who listens is a huge boon. you will be welcome, friend

# ? Oct 19, 2017 19:53

Kikas: Oct 30, 2012

YES.
STORYLINES IS EVERYTHING I WANTED FROM CRIME SPREE. And it's bettter!

# ? Oct 19, 2017 20:19

Tempest_56: Mar 14, 2009

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Would any of you still be interested in, possibly, playing with me at some point, or is that a bridge too far? I do recognize and acknowledge the whole 'no mic, no play' concept, as communication is vital, so if you were to actually respond to this and say "no", I'd understand.

Can you click cops?

If yes, we're cool.

If not, we're still cool as long as you bring ammo bags.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 21:01

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

One more thing for day 1 (and presumably the rest of the event) - there will be riddles, which is probably part of the off-day content they mention.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/856107339827652719/001BCE0C3C06EE03AAC7E266633DFCDBE06B184A/

First riddle is tomorrow and it's an in-game sidejob, presumably doing some gimmick to unlock additional in game content. Shamelessly stolen from Heca in Discord.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 21:17

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

My Expert Riddletake is that the first one may involve the parachuting segment in Birth of Sky.

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Hello, clown goons.

As someone that's new to the site, having read about 80 pages of this thread, skimming ahead from time to time, and being driven to reinstall PD2 for the first time in...hell, I'm fairly sure it was before 1 down and mayhem came out, and just before halloween, the Biker missions had just come out, so probably 2015? I had a question for you.

I suffer from an old throat injury that makes it really painful to speak, and when I can, it's little more than a barely discernible whisper. As such, I don't tend to use a mic while gaming. I still listen to what others say via mic and use in-game text as much as I can to attempt to communicate in co-op games, obviously, but I recognize that it is, clearly sub-par...still, it's all I can really do.

Would any of you still be interested in, possibly, playing with me at some point, or is that a bridge too far? I do recognize and acknowledge the whole 'no mic, no play' concept, as communication is vital, so if you were to actually respond to this and say "no", I'd understand.

Please, do join us in the discord, we'd be happy to have you. We have a number of goons who don't speak for various reasons, it's no problem at all!

# ? Oct 19, 2017 21:38

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

Discendo Vox posted:

My Expert Riddletake is that the first one may involve the parachuting segment in Birth of Sky.

This was my thought as well. I wouldn't be surprised if all of the riddles were based on Locke heists, given he's the theme of the event. 1 for BoS, 1 for Mountain, and the rest for whatever is released on Days 5 and 9 .

# ? Oct 19, 2017 22:24

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Hello, clown goons.

As someone that's new to the site, having read about 80 pages of this thread, skimming ahead from time to time, and being driven to reinstall PD2 for the first time in...hell, I'm fairly sure it was before 1 down and mayhem came out, and just before halloween, the Biker missions had just come out, so probably 2015? I had a question for you.

I suffer from an old throat injury that makes it really painful to speak, and when I can, it's little more than a barely discernible whisper. As such, I don't tend to use a mic while gaming. I still listen to what others say via mic and use in-game text as much as I can to attempt to communicate in co-op games, obviously, but I recognize that it is, clearly sub-par...still, it's all I can really do.

Would any of you still be interested in, possibly, playing with me at some point, or is that a bridge too far? I do recognize and acknowledge the whole 'no mic, no play' concept, as communication is vital, so if you were to actually respond to this and say "no", I'd understand.

Get on the discord and join in. If you listen in and can occasionally type in the ingame chat you'll be fine. I personally have not played in a while but every goon that I have played with has always been chill about people unable or unwilling to speak, as long as they are listening in on the people who do speak.

# ? Oct 19, 2017 22:32

Crabtree: Oct 17, 2012; ARRRGH! Get that wallet out!
Everybody: Lowtax in a Pickle!
Pickle! Pickle! Pickle! Pickle!; Dinosaur Gum

I love how this is taking a giant loving poo poo on lore by making it so all of Vlad's jobs happen before hector ever showed up. We'll probably do all the christmas heists before goat and goat before firestarter, if Hector hasn't been absolutely written out of Payday completely.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 00:50

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Well your first hint should've been when they made Shadow Raid happen before 99% of the launch heists so....

# ? Oct 20, 2017 00:59

Aoi: Sep 12, 2017; Perpetually a Pain.

Thank you! I'm going to do a few pub games to shake out the cobwebs (and because I'm a masochist, I guess) first, just so I can see just how much my skills have deteriorated/get a feel for the current patch balances.

Hope you all have a good evening in the meantime.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 03:09

Plan Z: May 6, 2012

Yeah a bunch of Goons don't actually talk and it's fine.

I'll also try to keep the OP updated with stuff but I'm going to be doing 12 hour shifts because cooking in a Big Ten town this time of year kinda loving blows so some days may be slow with it.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 03:24

Mr E: Sep 18, 2007

Is there a best time to play with goons? Or should I just ask in LFG whenever?

# ? Oct 20, 2017 03:32

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Mr E posted:

Is there a best time to play with goons? Or should I just ask in LFG whenever?

Ask in LFG whenever. A number of us are east coast US, but there's folks across the world here to cause team wipes alongside you.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 03:56

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Shooting Blanks posted:

One more thing for day 1 (and presumably the rest of the event) - there will be riddles, which is probably part of the off-day content they mention.

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/856107339827652719/001BCE0C3C06EE03AAC7E266633DFCDBE06B184A/

First riddle is tomorrow and it's an in-game sidejob, presumably doing some gimmick to unlock additional in game content. Shamelessly stolen from Heca in Discord.

Birth of Sky also has rings (hoops :v:

) that you can collect for an achievement.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 04:09

Aoi: Sep 12, 2017; Perpetually a Pain.

Oh man, I know I'm really late on this, but I can choose my AI teammates (original heisting crew, yesss) and give them my own personally modded weapons? Dallas with an Brenner, Hoxton with a 308, and Wolf with an AK, all of them as useful as an actual person's weapons would be?

I can just stand there and watch them gun down an entire wave (not on the highest difficulties, obviously) on their own, in the middle of the street. It's awesome.

I'm one of those weirdos that occasionally plays offline (and with the new place I moved to having bad wiring and a situation that necessitates my using wireless on my desktop for the first time, some of these loading times/lagspikes have gotten a bit silly), this is...fun.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 07:49

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Thank you! I'm going to do a few pub games to shake out the cobwebs (and because I'm a masochist, I guess) first, just so I can see just how much my skills have deteriorated/get a feel for the current patch balances.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd been playing RAID: World War II so much before Crimefest I'd forgotten how much faster detection is in Payday 2.

EimiYoshikawa posted:

Oh man, I know I'm really late on this, but I can choose my AI teammates (original heisting crew, yesss) and give them my own personally modded weapons? Dallas with an Brenner, Hoxton with a 308, and Wolf with an AK, all of them as useful as an actual person's weapons would be?

AI have their own weapon stats; you can mod their weapons but only for the look of them.

The format is "Damage | Headshots/minute Bodyshots/minute (Overall damage per second)". Like with enemies, it varies by range. Hence the many columns for it. If it's missing a column, look ahead.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 09:15

TopHatGenius: Oct 3, 2008; something feels
different; Hot Rope Guy

Slap on some shottys on your AI partners and let them clean house.

# ? Oct 20, 2017 11:09

swims: May 5, 2014; Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.

UnknownMercenary posted:

Well your first hint should've been when they made Shadow Raid happen before 99% of the launch heists so....

Is there now a cannon order of the jobs?

# ? Oct 20, 2017 12:24

watho: Aug 2, 2013; The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

swims posted:

Is there now a cannon order of the jobs?

Yeah, it�s Rats followed by Rats followed by Rats followed by�

# ? Oct 20, 2017 13:51

maswastaken: Nov 12, 2011

swims posted:

Is there now a cannon order of the jobs?

The FBI files already had one. Story Line doesn't quite reflect that fact.

watho posted:

Yeah, it�s Rats followed by Rats followed by Rats followed by�

That got retconned a long time ago. It's all about securing Payday's microtransaction model and having Hoxton release Hoxton from prison now.

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Aoi: Sep 12, 2017; Perpetually a Pain.

maswastaken posted:

AI have their own weapon stats; you can mod their weapons but only for the look of them.

The format is "Damage | Headshots/minute Bodyshots/minute (Overall damage per second)". Like with enemies, it varies by range. Hence the many columns for it. If it's missing a column, look ahead.

Oh. Well, that's ok, given that modding the Brenner, m308, and AK-47 don't exactly have huge damage boosting mods available (given that the dumb ak/car pack refuses to give me 3/4 of the stuff I bought it for, because of achievement-locking (behind dumb achievements I didn't feel like grinding (though I did try to do the art museum in ICTV one solo about a hundred times out of sheer bloodimindedness before giving up (getting to within 1 second of success about 20 times))). It's still wonderful compared to the old 'everyone has amcars' thing. And having one of them actually able to pierce shields goes a long way (in making them slightly less useless-feeling, since I can kill shields at a rate of about one per two seconds as is).

Honestly, I just like being able to pick specific heisters and give them specific masks more than anything. It's the little things, quality of "life" stuff.

e: Also, 7.6gb update jfc

Aoi fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Oct 20, 2017

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