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PenguinKnight posted:i didn't skip a thing for TOS and I didn't skip a thing for TNG. All or nothing Good, because at least one of the episodes these tossers are suggesting you skip has the greatest bit character in all of Star Trek.
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I mean if you want to waste an hour on bad television every now and then you do you Most of the episodes with bad A plots at least have good B plots in DS9. There's really very few truly terrible episodes
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Oct 18, 2017 21:16
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Kibayasu posted:Good, because at least one of the episodes these tossers are suggesting you skip has the greatest bit character in all of Star Trek. I hope you're talking about Zek.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:19
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Probably the fat Klingon chef in Melora
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Oct 18, 2017 21:21
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Most of the "infamously" bad Star Trek episodes are actually not that bad compared to the really loving boring ones, like stuff involving Picard's love life or Kirk spilling ham all over the Declaration of Independence.
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Oct 18, 2017 21:30
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when i was watching TNG, i really only found 2-4 episodes that are straight-up unbearable. That video game one was one of them, and the other one was Rascals. The rest of the ones that were bad were just dull and forgettable
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Oct 18, 2017 21:40
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I like Rascals but I don't understand why they didn't tell the kid is name was Pick-ARD and not PEE-card
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Oct 18, 2017 21:45
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i do like the Guinan and Ro scenes in Rascals 
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Oct 18, 2017 22:01
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gently caress every single person that doesn't love Number One Dad in the Number One Episode. Worst episode is Force of Nature. The speed limit episode.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:27
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skasion posted:Probably the fat Klingon chef in Melora Hell yeah.
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Oct 18, 2017 22:50
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dont even fink about it posted:Most of the "infamously" bad Star Trek episodes are actually not that bad compared to the really loving boring ones, like stuff involving Picard's love life or Kirk spilling ham all over the Declaration of Independence. The Omega Glory is bad but it's a way more entertaining bad than The Lights of Zetar which is just a mind-numbingly dull slog. EDIT: actually on further reflection I'm not sure how Omega Glory is really all that boring, I mean yeah it's still bad writing (that Gene Roddenberry was inexplicably proud of) but there's plenty of poo poo that actually happens
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Oct 18, 2017 23:04
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I watched Meridian last night and it’s not good, but I wouldn’t call it awful. The Quark B-plot makes the other stuff more tolerable.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:06
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Rascals has a really bizarre tonal dissonance where everything that happens on camera is super-placid, even the loving space combat is presented as "huh, we're having a less than awesome day aren't we? better route some more power to those deflector grids, i guess", but all the incidental dialogue has poo poo like massive casualties in the secondary hull (I'm envisioning corridors exploding into flames and people screaming as they're burning all Wrath of Khan style) and the crew being enslaved to work in some mining camp.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:09
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Rascals is worth it for the reference Odo makes to those events later when he needed a sick burn on Worf.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:14
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Rascals has a really bizarre tonal dissonance where everything that happens on camera is super-placid, even the loving space combat is presented as "huh, we're having a less than awesome day aren't we? better route some more power to those deflector grids, i guess", but all the incidental dialogue has poo poo like massive casualties in the secondary hull (I'm envisioning corridors exploding into flames and people screaming as they're burning all Wrath of Khan style) and the crew being enslaved to work in some mining camp. This puts it so well. A huge group of bridge crew have become children! There are alien pirates! They've taken your vessel, and you are hostages, and you're not even adults! Why is everyone acting like they're in a waiting room for a dentist appointment?
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Oct 18, 2017 23:16
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Not to mention O'Brien having to deal with the fact that his wife is now a little girl. In the SFDebris review, Chuck suggested having the whole episode focus on that and make it an analogy for marital strife when one partner suddenly becomes disabled. I don't know if I find the concept horrifying or brilliantly powerful.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:20
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There are different uses of the word "bad" here. Boring poo poo. A lot of TOS episodes are just a slog and they don't get a lot of attention because they're not people crowing over and over about Spock's brain (Spock's Brain is a lot of things, but it isn't boring). Captain Picard, the least French French guy in history, and his backstory and love life really bore me to tears but mileage will vary a lot here. Clip Shows. Oh 80's-90's serial television. gently caress you. Completely loving Ridiculous. Most of season 3 TOS. Plots that make no goddamn sense and involve the captain, usually Janeway, committing war crimes or becoming a sociopath just to thread the plot in 44 minutes. Crusher and the Not-Scottish Sex Ghost. This is actually most bad Trek. Embarrassing. The TNG gang tames the dark continent. The extremely Roddenberry treatment of female characters in TOS that was weird even by 1967 standards. "Believe me, it's better to be dead than to live alone in the body of a woman." - a woman Not My Star Trek. Episodes where Picard and Riker team up to defeat an alien conspiracy by doing karate kicks and exploding the evil hive-mind's skull with their phasers. Pulpy nonsense where everyone turns into a lizard (has happened at least twice) and maybe fucks. Pretty much every TNG movie. Rehashes. Re-works of older, better shows (particularly a problem in early TNG). I'd add in that stuff dealing with the Prime Directive is a shitload of garbage but that's wayyy into personal opinion land.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:34
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The prime directive episode with the proto-vulcans is pretty good.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:37
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Genesis was a fun episode. It was also a bad episode.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:38
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MorgaineDax posted:gently caress every single person that doesn't love Number One Dad in the Number One Episode. Yeah. But I don't think it's the worst, just spectacularly stupid. I get wanting to do an environmental episode at that time. But there just needs to be a better way to go about doing that rather than having lines in future episodes where you just get around the issue with "Starfleet says we can go real fast now".
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Oct 18, 2017 23:41
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AceOfFlames posted:Not to mention O'Brien having to deal with the fact that his wife is now a little girl. In the SFDebris review, Chuck suggested having the whole episode focus on that and make it an analogy for marital strife when one partner suddenly becomes disabled. I don't know if I find the concept horrifying or brilliantly powerful. It would have been interesting and evocative and deep and it would have been cringe as gently caress and I'd hate every moment of it.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:43
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We already had the episode where Troi gets a "disability" and becomes absolutely awful and can't handle it at all
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Oct 18, 2017 23:51
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Baronjutter posted:We already had the episode where Troi gets a "disability" and becomes absolutely awful and can't handle it at all This episode mostly works because it leans into something that was already kind of obvious to the audience but had not really been brought up in the show, which is that Troi is terrible at her job and really just a kind of lovely person who uses her superpower to occasionally compensate for her worthlessness. I'm not convinced that more focus on O'Brien's child bride would have been a good thing. It's hosed up enough as it is.
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Oct 18, 2017 23:55
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The Bloop posted:I like Rascals but I don't understand why they didn't tell the kid is name was Pick-ARD and not PEE-card I was discussing this episode yesterday, and believe it would be immeasurably improved if child-Picard spoke with an offensively overblown french accent.
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Oct 19, 2017 00:25
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dont even fink about it posted:Rehashes. Re-works of older, better shows (particularly a problem in early TNG). Also the first 2 seasons of DS9 until it really found its own identity. Okay, the first season and a half, I'll give it that.
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mossyfisk posted:I was discussing this episode yesterday, and believe it would be immeasurably improved if child-Picard spoke with an offensively overblown french accent. Now I’m picturing him doing the chef voice from The Little Mermaid.
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Oct 19, 2017 01:15
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Also the first 2 seasons of DS9 until it really found its own identity. Okay, the first season and a half, I'll give it that.
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Oct 19, 2017 01:16
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Baronjutter posted:We already had the episode where Troi gets a "disability" and becomes absolutely awful and can't handle it at all And the episode where Worf gets disabled and demands Riker kill him
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Oct 19, 2017 01:56
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Now I’m picturing him doing the chef voice from The Little Mermaid. I'm taking this opportunity to possibly be the first person to point out to you that that's actually Rene Auberjonois (Odo). If you already knew, oh well
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Sir Lemming posted:I'm taking this opportunity to possibly be the first person to point out to you that that's actually Rene Auberjonois (Odo). What blew my mind is that Jerry "Lennie Briscoe" Orbach was Lumiere.
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Oct 19, 2017 02:04
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Also the first 2 seasons of DS9 until it really found its own identity. Okay, the first season and a half, I'll give it that. And Voyager. There's a lot of rehashes of TNG or episodes that are two TNG episodes mushed together. I'm watching the 4th Season and I've seen two already. "Nemesis" where Chakotay gets brainwashed into fighting a war on some planet was pretty similar to Geordi getting brainwashed to become an assassin, although I think the Voyager one was a bit better because didn't tell us right away what was going on. "Scientific Method" was a combination of the one with that Nagilum creature who was experimenting on the crew until Picard showed he was willing to destroy his ship and kill everyone rather than be lab rats, and that episode with the invisible parasites that only Data could see. Now that I'm bringing up Voyager, Tom Paris is getting fat in the 4th season.
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Oct 19, 2017 02:39
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PostNouveau posted:And the episode where Worf gets disabled and demands Riker kill him
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Oct 19, 2017 02:48
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MorgaineDax posted:Worst episode is Force of Nature. The speed limit episode. The thing I remember about Force of Nature is that the main plot doesn't start until, like, 20-25 minutes in. Something like half the episode is just Data and Geordi hanging around awkwardly in Data's quarters, talking about his cat and waiting for the story to start.
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Oct 19, 2017 03:23
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So in the spirit of Halloween and because I already finished rewatching Stranger Things and didn't feel like watching something new, I've been watching S P O O K Y episodes of TNG. Really, I just wanted to watch the one with the clicky aliens who abduct people from the Enterprise. I thought that was Night Terrors, so I watched that, and then today I actually watched Schisms. Night Terrors is, I think, the better episode- there's a sense of weariness and paranoia in the whole crew, the sleep-deprivation hallucinations, and the sense of hopelessness as the ship is drained by the space-wedgie they're stuck in and the crew is drained by the aliens trying to make contact. The bits where Troi is in the dream and flying look super dumb, but everything else is great and feels appropriately desperate. Schisms, on the other hand, is neat because it's an alien abduction episode in SPACE!?, but lacks any real sense of actual danger. The lack of sleep just makes Riker grumpy and frumpy, instead of driving him literally insane, and the aliens just don't look as creepy as I remember them looking. The holodeck scene is good, except for the bit where the wood table suddenly turns into a metal BDSM chair, because A) Troi actually does something useful that isn't psychic and B) the increasing sense of paranoia as it becomes clear SOMETHING is going on, but what it is ain't exactly clear. Once Riker actually goes to the alien ship, it's too well lit, and just isn't very spooky, and he escapes the aliens like they're a bunch of chumps. Any other S P O O K Y Star Trek episodes I should queue up? There's Catspaw (it's really boring though) and Sub Rosa (A G-G-G-GHOST!?).
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Oct 19, 2017 03:44
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Zonko_T.M. posted:Any other S P O O K Y Star Trek episodes I should queue up? There's Catspaw (it's really boring though) and Sub Rosa (A G-G-G-GHOST!?). I guess there's always The Haunting of Deck Twelve.
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Oct 19, 2017 03:47
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TNG's "Frame of Mind" and the first two times DS9 goes to Empok Nor come to mind.
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Oct 19, 2017 03:53
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Phantasms terrified me as a kid. Data dreamt some hosed up stuff. Genesis I find genuinely creepy. Empok Nor if you wanna go the slasher route.
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Oct 19, 2017 03:55
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I don't remember much of it or if its actually scary/slashy but there's that TNG episode with spider-Barclay and bitey-Worf. ^^Edit: Oh yeah, Genesis, that was it.
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Oct 19, 2017 04:08
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Kibayasu posted:I don't remember much of it or if its actually scary/slashy but there's that TNG episode with spider-Barclay and bitey-Worf.
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Spider-Barclay is downright Cronenbergian.
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