|
Slaan posted:These are far better than potato fries, FYI. I suggest people try to find some. You'll probably find in them African restaurants, if there are any nearby. An African restaurant won't be too hard to scare up in Manhattan, if I cared enough to look for one offering them, I would think. Too used to the good ol' potato though, don't think they'll taste quite right. I've tried taro fries though, they aren't too bad.
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2017 23:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 13:13 |
|
|
GhostStalker posted:
I think it depends on the edition you're reading, but generally anything to do with the base that isn't on the base proper is in Puyallup so I tend to conflate the two. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2017 23:50
|
|
|
paragon1 posted:I think it depends on the edition you're reading, but generally anything to do with the base that isn't on the base proper is in Puyallup so I tend to conflate the two. Makes sense. The place where I saw Fort Lewis as it's own district was the 5th Ed Seattle sourcebook that I flipped through at the Cataylst booth at PAX East in 2015. Now that I think about it, that was likely just the fort and the airbase proper, with stuff like ranges and support facilities in between considered a part of it. I seem to remember an Ares joint facility for live fire training against paracritters was included in the map or mentioned in the area writeup, and likely more UCAS military-Corporate joint facilities nearby and stuff like that. Still, the likely off base stuff that springs up around all military posts would probably be considered in Puyallup instead, though Fort Lewis would have some of their own within their environs.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 01:17
|
|
|
mauman posted:Here's a strange one I recently discovered.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 04:55
|
|
|
Tiggum posted:Even weirder, there are people who don't eat meat except for fish and chicken. Someone I work with is vegetarian but eats chicken
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 04:56
|
|
|
One of the subplots of the old Sega Genesis Shadowrun game was Stopping the meltdown of a nuclear reactor which is roughly set in the same timeline of this game
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 05:06
|
|
|
wedgekree posted:One of the subplots of the old Sega Genesis Shadowrun game was Stopping the meltdown of a nuclear reactor which is roughly set in the same timeline of this game Was Jake in the Sega game? Where was it set?
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 06:32
|
|
|
Tiggum posted:Even weirder, there are people who don't eat meat except for fish and chicken. Skypie posted:Someone I work with is vegetarian but eats chicken I'm a carnivore, but I eat grains and legumes, root vegetables, and some fruit. I cheat on my diet sometimes, but lol nobody's perfect. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 07:06
|
|
|
painedforever posted:Was Jake in the Sega game? Where was it set? Jake was in the SNES Shadowrun game. The main character of the Genesis game was called Joshua. Both games were 'set' in Seattle roughly around the same time (within a year or so of one another in-universe). They had different themes - the Genesis game had Josha in Seattle investigating the murder of his brother. They didn't have a ton of overlap wtih the same locations or characters. They had different mechanics to them. One of the things that the Genesis version had that the SNES game did not have as much of was lots of procedurally generated Shadowruns. A big part of the game was going on runs for various Johnsons to get nyuen, karma to unlock things. Story missions were a minor part of the game - a lot of it was dedicated to just base Shadowruns of a normal variety. Wasn't that bad.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 07:20
|
|
|
wedgekree posted:One of the things that the Genesis version had that the SNES game did not have as much of was lots of procedurally generated Shadowruns. A big part of the game was going on runs for various Johnsons to get nyuen, karma to unlock things. Story missions were a minor part of the game - a lot of it was dedicated to just base Shadowruns of a normal variety. Wasn't that bad. Procedurally generated runs? On a Genesis system? I'm probably envisioning something different from what was actually possible, though. So, we're approximately in the same timeline as that game? Weird. We do know that DMS is running at the same time as Dragonfall. You find mention of the Ripper in a BBS. Though, it does make the appearance of a certain character in both games rather... odd. But y'know, that character is kinda odd anyway, so it makes sense in context...? Kinda? Sorta?
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 09:41
|
|
|
painedforever posted:Procedurally generated runs? On a Genesis system? I'm probably envisioning something different from what was actually possible, though. There's nothing keeping the Genesis from doing procedural generation. For example, Fatal Labyrinth is a straight-up old school roguelike. For Shadowrun's non-plot critical missions, all levels (Corp offices, caves, abandoned buildings and Matrix networks) have fixed layouts, but your objective type (for example, Corp runs are typically about getting either a package or an employee out) and location within those levels are randomized, as well as the content of safes and the various events that may or may not occur on your way there. It has a bit of a mad libs feel, but you can never really go "oh I've done this run before, I know exactly where the objective is and everything that's standing in my way".
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 10:30
|
|
|
Genesis game is set in 2058. SNES is set in 2050. Returns is set sometime in the middle. So I'm a bit off sorry. But, the Genesis missions were fun. Also #$#! Tar Ice in Matrix runs. What I enjoyed about the Genesis (focused on Shadowruns aside) was that you could go about things at your own order. The game had three main 'plots' you had to complete to get to the endgame and two subplots you could do that were purely optional but netted nice rewards if completed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 10:53
|
|
|
I assume some people in the slums raise rabbits/chickens/nutria on scraps, so real meat wouldn't be entirely unknown. (of course a wageslave would turn green at the thought of eating that.)
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 10:55
|
|
|
The Lone Badger posted:I assume some people in the slums raise rabbits/chickens/nutria on scraps, so real meat wouldn't be entirely unknown. (of course a wageslave would turn green at the thought of eating that.) eh.... Considering the state of slums in Shadowrun, I'm pretty sure that would attract unwanted attention. Particularly ones like Redmond.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 11:04
|
|
|
mauman posted:eh.... See: the running gag in Hong Kong about neither of you being willing to explain what happened to that one family you used to stay with in the Barrens because they were stupid enough to keep real meat in the freezer. They got eaten alive by ghouls
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 15:00
|
|
|
Stroth posted:See: the running gag in Hong Kong about neither of you being willing to explain what happened to that one family you used to stay with in the Barrens because they were stupid enough to keep real meat in the freezer. 
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:00
|
|
|
Part 27 - Corporate Raiders Continued After such a smooth start, it sure would be terrible for things to take a turn for the worse.  Aside from the blinking alarm panels on the walls, things seem perfectly quiet and normal up here. We're still in combat mode though, so that's unlikely to last.  A tad unexpectedly we don't find guns pointed at our face in the next room however, so far making the combat mode purely an annoyance since it forces every character to be moved manually and one at a time.  No terminals or anything we can interact with here either, so we pass through this boring room and open the next door.  Knock knock, anybody home? Is there gonna be a boss fight here, it feels like there's gonna be a boss fight here.  Seriously, nothing? No bosses, guards, turrets or anything, we really just waltzed into the CEO's office. Even the door wasn't locked. This doesn't seem right. Maybe this shiny globe in the middle of the room is a magical bomb or something.  Doesn't seem like it. Like Tir Tairngire, Tír na nÓg is an elven nation, one roughly located in what used to be Ireland with Dublin as its capital city. Incidentally both derive their names from Irish mythology, meaning roughly "Land of Promise" and "Land of the Young" respectively.  The door on the eastern side of the office leads to another plain room, nothing here but a door we can't open. There's a vent on the wall, but sending a drone in reveals that it doesn't lead anywhere.  Well, standing around won't do us any good so might as well get to work. We'll let Dodger handle this one so the poor guy doesn't feel completely useless.  Physical security might be absent, but unfortunately IC never sleep. .jpg)  Dodger himself isn't quite as effective as Amazon when it comes to dealing with cyberthreats, but he makes up for it with numbers.  These camera nodes are a little special, instead of giving us information/paydata or otherwise helping our progress...  ...they instead provide us with visibility on the top right and bottom right portions of the floor. Hacking cameras in this manner actually became a semi-recurring thing after this game, with the camera locations marked and everything.  Anyone who has played a tower defense game probably knows that this implies incoming enemy waves, so we prepare accordingly with fire and drones on the southern doorway.  Sure enough, our first visitor enters soon after, and departs soon after that.  Hot on the last guy's heels another hopeful tries to make their way in, but seems to have some trouble dealing with the floor being on fire. Weird.  They manage to get through with only a couple of serious burns to their feet, only to fall for Coyote's ol' "pistol shot to the noggin" trick.  While all this is going on, Dodger discovers a dose of concern.   Guess that solves both the mysteries of Lynne's departure and the Aegis production facility blowing up. A real go-getter, that woman.  In a slightly more believable attempt at stopping us, a group of four guards enter the scene, this time from the door to the east. We shift our defenses accordingly and Falk conjures up another barrier to block the office's eastern entrance.  Dodger reaches another node, and faces a group of ICs annoyingly spread out from each other. His ESPs come in handy here since he doesn't have to run around personally taking down each one.  While the elf is busy with his cybercleaning, Telestrian's security begin their assault. Softened up by Jade Rabbit's mortar fire, the first guy doesn't even make it to the doorway.  life.gif  In cyberspace Dodger has finished eradicating the local ICs and digs into the logs.   Yet another Telestrian, this is a pretty big family. Not much new info here, but it does confirm that a sample of Aegis did indeed survive.  Another area, another node. A Black IC teams up with the usual ones this time, probably making this the most threatening room so far.  Dodger brings the whole squad into this one to make sure they go down without incident. Shield ESPs aren't great at dealing damage, but they're capable of basic attacks and you can never go wrong with more Shield.  After the area's been cleared, Dodger pokes at the node.  Bingo.   You know, it's almost like if things are going according to plan. As you say. Now, to stop those elevators... I am sure there is an accessible node in this system we can access. Find it, before you are overrun with guards.That's another +8 in the karmic bank.  Despite Baron's warnings, there's no time limit and we're not in any danger of being overrun by anything. The two remaining security guards from the eastern group fall to a mortar, and in the physical world all is quiet once more.  Dodger finally reaches the elevator controls, but there's one last trick up these guys' cybersleeve as no less than 4 IC pop up into the previously empty room the moment he gets close to the node.  Since this is the last room, Dodger's Exploder ESP gets to show off where it derives its name from, unleashing a devastating suicide explosion!  ...which a little comically has no animation of any kind, it waves its arms around a bit and then just kinda vanishes into thin cyberair. The damage it deals is the real deal though, so maybe it's just one of those things humans can't perceive or something.  One hacked elevator, coming up! Also +6 karma. There are a lot of karma rewards in this part of the game. Delicious karma rewards.  No more enemy reinforcements arrive and there's nothing else for us to do here, so Dodger returns back to meatspace and we head to Silverstar's office door, located near the elevator we initially used to get here. Except... it's locked with some kind of a panel.  You didn't know about this control panel. Great.Let's face it, this is the least unexpected thing to happen during this entire run. Apparently, Mr. Silverstar's reputation for paranoia is well-founded. This panel is a hard-coded door control that cannot be accessed from the Matrix. It was not here yesterday. How did he have it installed so fast? So what now? Samedi will think of something! Very well - this will work but the plan requires you, and ONLY YOU to stay the night.What? This already sounds like a terrible plan! What about my crew? And fade to black. I know, a bit of a sudden end, huh? In what exciting new ways will things manage to go horribly wrong next time, as Amazon lodges alone in the same corporate building she just raided and murdered nineteen people in? Stay tuned to find out! Kanfy fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Dec 6, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:03
|
|
|
I love how this guy gets hyped to all hell. And then you go into a mission with him.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:13
|
|
|
Poil posted:Why? Ghouls don't eat non-metahuman meat, same thing as that vampires don't drink animal blood. And frozen meat inside a sealed box like a freezer doesn't smell anyway. One of the pc's dialogue choices is something to the effect of "Really, what did they expect, storing organs in their freezer like that?" The impliction (to me, at least) being that the family was running a back alley organ grinding operation and had recently reclaimed hearts, lungs eyes and livers next to their frozen peas and soycream. Because that's the kind of place the Redmond Barrens is.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:20
|
|
|
FoolyCharged posted:I love how this guy gets hyped to all hell. Never meet your heroes. Or supposed novahot deckers with a gimmick.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:24
|
|
|
FoolyCharged posted:I love how this guy gets hyped to all hell. yeah, he's pretty good. Not, perhaps, at his job, but at being a character? Yeah.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:28
|
|
|
The Lone Badger posted:I assume some people in the slums raise rabbits/chickens/nutria on scraps, so real meat wouldn't be entirely unknown. (of course a wageslave would turn green at the thought of eating that.) Producing any significant amount of food on your own is a great way to get a corp kicking in your door.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:34
|
|
|
See, that's why you don't ask what the burgers are made out of. Not because it's made from rats, because it isn't.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:41
|
|
|
While the writing is nothing impressive, i really like some mission ideas and setpieces in the secondd half of the game. The storystring has its checklists of stereotypes and clichés, but has some nice escalation. Going through evil Dr. Elf McMurder's torture dungeon was kind of the low point of the game for me.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:41
|
|
|
paragon1 posted:Producing any significant amount of food on your own is a great way to get a corp kicking in your door. Unless you've got some sort of anarchist collective or commune backing you up enough to provide security for your facility that the corps would find too costly to shut down all at once, or is hidden enough. Not gangers though, they likely don't have the firepower though they may provide backup for a cut or something like that. Most small operations don't, so they just try and stay off the grid enough before the corp forces come knocking to shut them down.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:45
|
|
|
But if everyone assumes they're just pretty good ratburgers, no Corp's gonna spend the money on knocking down every corner foodcart that's willing to feed ratmeat to the homeless.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 17:48
|
|
|
The corps (usually by means of the governments they work through) don't care if you have a garden in your backyard or your commune out in the middle of nowhere gets most of their food by farming. They do care if you steal some of their proprietary gmo crops to do those things, because now you're violating their IP. e: For example, the Salish-Sidhe Council grow most of their own food and have a minimal corp presence, but a even a AAA corp like Aztechnology would have to be out of their minds to pick a fight with them because they have a large and well-trained organization of heavy-duty magicians. You know the shamans we were just talking about who won a war with the UCAS? You know how I was saying that McKlusky is a loving moron for talking to Shannon Half-Sky like he did? Yeah, she's one of those shamans. There are thousands of people like her in the the SSC, and it's not even a remarkable thing. wiegieman fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Oct 19, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 18:15
|
|
|
Poil posted:Why? Ghouls don't eat non-metahuman meat, same thing as that vampires don't drink animal blood. And frozen meat inside a sealed box like a freezer doesn't smell anyway. Look man, you don't ask what kind of meat it is in a place like the Barrens.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 18:45
|
|
|
Poil posted:Why? Ghouls don't eat non-metahuman meat, same thing as that vampires don't drink animal blood. And frozen meat inside a sealed box like a freezer doesn't smell anyway. Dystopia is hard, man. You have to accept that the answer to "Why don't they just do common sense solution to fix X" is "They just don't, okay?!" Andyzero fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 20, 2017 |
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 20:43
|
|
|
Andyzero posted:Dystopia is hard, man. You gave to accept that the answer to "Why don't they just do common sense solution to fix X" is "They just don't, okay?!" Yeah. The funny thing is, most of the large scale lovely, you can point to history (or the present) and go "People have done that." But when people try to fill in details of how much EVERYTHING SUCKS, you get a lot of "No, wait. We've seen what happens then. It isn't that. It's very far from that." The corps busting down every door to kill people who make ratburgers, while not actually making ratburgers themselves, feels kinda like bad DMing, where the players get fixated on some arbitrary goal, and the DM keeps throwing dumber and dumber barriers at them to prevent them from interfering with his setting.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 22:16
|
|
|
Why would the cops care if you cook and eat rats at home? I... don't understand this conversation at all.   As long as you kept it to SINless and out in the Barrens I doubt they would even care if you cooked and ate humans.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 22:37
|
|
|
PMush Perfect posted:But if everyone assumes they're just pretty good ratburgers, no Corp's gonna spend the money on knocking down every corner foodcart that's willing to feed ratmeat to the homeless. They don't have to, you've got good old fashioned Lone Star enforcers already paid to take care of that sort of thing. The rat meat carts aren't up to code, you see! Poil posted:Why would the cops care if you cook and eat rats at home? I... don't understand this conversation at all. They don't, at all. They care if you have a big enough hydroponics op to cut into the Stuffer Shack profits. That's what brings the heat.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 22:42
|
|
|
They also won't (legally) stop you from opening Fastjacks Fastrat Tacos (assuming your permits are in order) because they're big enough to crush or co-opt you. It's anarchists trying to build something viable outside the capitalist system that they control that concerns them.
|
|
#
?
Oct 19, 2017 22:48
|
|
|
FoolyCharged posted:I love how this guy gets hyped to all hell. Oh man, you really do want the slap the guy, don't you? Funny how that also turns out for the (optional) Decker you get in the next game too. The "defence" portion of this mission was always easy-peasy, though I'd never say no to curb-stomping a bunch of goons. I'd stick a barrier on the back door (like you did), and then put everyone on Overwatch. Only a few guys tried the front door, I think. I seem to recall that the barrier expired before it had a chance to do anything when I placed it on the main entrance.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 04:45
|
|
|
Points for offline security. So many people forget about that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 13:47
|
|
|
Glazius posted:Points for offline security. So many people forget about that. Good grief, you can say that again. Meanwhile, in the real world, before long we'll see on the news someone getting killed by a hacker taking control of their wi-fi enabled can opener.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 13:51
|
|
|
FrankZP posted:Good grief, you can say that again. Not too far from that. Last massive wave of DDOS attacks were from IoT compromised devices. In other worse, hacked refrigerators and toasters. Turns out there's millions of em, with no security to speak of. Sleep well!
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 16:29
|
|
|
Glazius posted:Points for offline security. So many people forget about that. Of course he also sent the details regarding the location of the sample via e-mail to his boss whose office is two rooms away, so not too many points.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 16:37
|
|
|
Kanfy posted:Of course he also sent the details regarding the location of the sample via e-mail to his boss whose office is two rooms away, so not too many points. Eh, the boss may be out more than in. Email is a great way to tag a guy who could be at a club or at home.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 16:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 17, 2024 13:13 |
|
|
OAquinas posted:Eh, the boss may be out more than in. Email is a great way to tag a guy who could be at a club or at home. Well sure, but considering someone cared enough to blow up an entire production facility and it's the only remaining sample of the stuff they need to avoid potential bugocalypse, you'd think he'd at the very least talk in some kind of code instead of explicitly spelling out both the thing and where he keeps it.
|
|
#
?
Oct 20, 2017 17:23
|
|