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Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Code Jockey posted:

Jesus christ I remember trying to do early web design / layouts using tables embedded in tables and god knows what other hacky nonsense

Everyone knows you're supposed to use frames so you can have a menu that stays static and a scrollable page, duh!

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Arms_Akimbo
Sep 29, 2006

It's so damn...literal.
<H1> is reserved for really important news

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I used to sit in the library on the computers in yahoo chat to my friends after school so they didn't think I was too poor to have dial up :(

One would say "meet you all at the skatepark" and I would always be first there cos I was in centre of town, ready to go.

Also when we DID get internet - the library had those internet directory books and I always was eager for the latest version.

Quote-Unquote posted:

Everyone knows you're supposed to use frames so you can have a menu that stays static and a scrollable page, duh!

Me and a mate once found out you could add invisible iframe code into ourprofile on some early social network type deal here in Australia. There were monthly 'hottest persion wins a prize' - we back to back scored the whatever latest Motorola Razr by voting for someone and you automatically got a vote by them and their friends.

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 09:34 on Oct 19, 2017

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Humphreys posted:

I used to sit in the library on the computers in yahoo chat to my friends after school so they didn't think I was too poor to have dial up :(

loving hell dude, surely International Red Cross handed out modems and phone cards back in the day?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Carth Dookie posted:

loving hell dude, surely International Red Cross handed out modems and phone cards back in the day?

Jokes on them! I ended up with a pocketmailer or whatever it was called that had it's own acoustic coupler so I could email on the go by writing the message and putting it to a payphone handset.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

The Big Word posted:

Outside of wayback machine is there anywhere I can flick through galleries of old web design?

Reminder that the Space Jam page is still available, mostly unchanged from 1996: https://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


mobby_6kl posted:

Reminder that the Space Jam page is still available, mostly unchanged from 1996: https://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm

You HAVE to view it while listening to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9FImc2LOr8

(I still own that soundtrack) :shame:

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

Keith Atherton posted:

Something similar was pushed for in the default mail message view in Outlook 97 but I was sufficiently unenthusiastic in order for it not to become reality

You CAN blame me for this though



In late 2006 or so MSN Messenger was rebranded as Windows Live Messenger and with it came with new sounds and colors that were too loud and vibrant for my goon senses. Was that your fault too?

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
Ugh. I still miss MSN Messenger. gently caress Skype.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Mak0rz posted:

In late 2006 or so MSN Messenger was rebranded as Windows Live Messenger and with it came with new sounds and colors that were too loud and vibrant for my goon senses. Was that your fault too?

Blame him anyway! :toughguy:

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


I liked MSN. I don't miss it too much nowadays thanks to Telegram and Discord though.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I liked how spergs would be all "don't use tables for formatting." Then give us a way to do that without tables then. I still don't have a complete grasp of how to get CSS to do what I want. I usually get it close enough and give up.

HELLBITCH
Sep 15, 2017

bad at posting
Post reserved for important info that isn't out yet

Cat Hassler
Feb 7, 2006

Slippery Tilde

Mak0rz posted:

In late 2006 or so MSN Messenger was rebranded as Windows Live Messenger and with it came with new sounds and colors that were too loud and vibrant for my goon senses. Was that your fault too?

No - I worked on it in 2003

1000 Brown M and Ms
Oct 22, 2008

F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

Cojawfee posted:

I liked how spergs would be all "don't use tables for formatting." Then give us a way to do that without tables then. I still don't have a complete grasp of how to get CSS to do what I want. I usually get it close enough and give up.

Somewhat off-topic, but that kind of thing in general annoys me. People who say "Don't do X" or "X is wrong" without giving an alternative/correction to X.

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

1000 Brown M and Ms posted:

Somewhat off-topic, but that kind of thing in general annoys me. People who say "Don't do X" or "X is wrong" without giving an alternative/correction to X.

Divs, spans, and CSS. And if you need tabular data, by all means use tables.

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012


Man I miss NoteTab Plus. What a fantastic text editor.

What I don't miss: needing a text editor on a regular basis.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

I've been doing some data migration stuff recently, working on a locked-down hospital network PC. This is mostly tabular data and text files, so I'm immensely grateful that someone fought to make R available on the hospital PCs; at least I don't have to write VBA or power shell or do it by hand in excel. What they do not have is a decent text editor - I've been writing code in notepad until I found some (rather vintage) Microsoft code editor I believe is intended for VBA. At least it has multiple levels of undo and a rudimentary understanding of indentation...

HELLBITCH
Sep 15, 2017

bad at posting

rndmnmbr posted:

What I don't miss: needing a text editor on a regular basis.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

GutBomb posted:

Divs, spans, and CSS. And if you need tabular data, by all means use tables.

Yeah, I still use tables constantly for this reason.

For everything else, Bootstrap is practically cheating. Once you get into it, it's ridiculously easy to make nice clean responsive UIs.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

My first PC came with Microsoft Frontpage, and that generated some beautiful code. I learned a lot from it, such as how you have to put <B></B> tags around each individual word of a bolded sentence, how to align a picture by putting it inside thirty nested tables, and how if you want a few pixels of breathing room between your content and the footer, you simply use & nbsp; one thousand times.

I was also quite excited to get the first version of Microsoft Publisher which could export as HTML. Less so after I discovered it just exported a massive two colour, non anti-aliased GIF of your page and its HTML was no more adventurous than an IMG SRC to point at it.

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Horace posted:

My first PC came with Microsoft Frontpage, and that generated some beautiful code. I learned a lot from it

lol you really had me worked up for a bit there.

I might have mentioned before that I used to work somewhere where one of our jobs (fortunately not mine) was to take content from Microsoft Word documents and put them on the web. There was much lamenting the fact that just doing a "Save As..." HTML resulted in HTML much like you describe, except I don't think it did <B></B> around every word, but instead if for example you had some text that was bold and then some that was underlined as well you'd end up with some markup like this:

<B>some text that was bold <U>and then some that was underlined as well</B></U>

As in, tags not nested properly. These days I think I'd just say gently caress it, if it works in both Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator, who cares if it's actually valid HTML!

Maybe putting the formatting tags on every word was their solution to not screwing up tag nesting. If that was the best fix they could come up with, though, that would be very sad.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Horace posted:

My first PC came with Microsoft Frontpage, and that generated some beautiful code. I learned a lot from it, such as how you have to put <B></B> tags around each individual word of a bolded sentence, how to align a picture by putting it inside thirty nested tables, and how if you want a few pixels of breathing room between your content and the footer, you simply use & nbsp; one thousand times.

I was also quite excited to get the first version of Microsoft Publisher which could export as HTML. Less so after I discovered it just exported a massive two colour, non anti-aliased GIF of your page and its HTML was no more adventurous than an IMG SRC to point at it.

The small-town ISP that I worked at in the mid-90s had a steady line of barely-worthwhile business putting local restaurants and lawyers on the web, selling them a domain and then dutifully posting their Microsoft Publisher generated GIF "webpage" to it.

We tried time and again to explain to customers why this was a lovely way to do things, but actually paying us to write HTML meant actually paying us, so

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I typed out all my HTML on my Geocities page :smug:

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Are there anymore active websites that are still manually updated?

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Does this count?
https://help.github.com/articles/using-jekyll-as-a-static-site-generator-with-github-pages/

A Pack of Kobolds
Mar 23, 2007



Star Man posted:

I used to listen to reruns of Phil Hendrie at night on AM radio when I was in high school.

His old shows are archived on his website. There's a subscription fee, but the archive is really comprehensive.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Is there a Nobel prize for mostly making Youtubes about Sonic but none of them are terrible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b4Iwe-dBAg

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Horace posted:

Microsoft Frontpage

I remember using Frontpage... 2000 maybe? in some web design class in college, like 100 level stuff, not part of the CS program where we got Visual Studio and ASP.NET.

I remember even for a simple page with some text, a table, whatever, it would generate a ridiculous amount of inline style info, scripting, etc. Just a loving ridiculous amount of garbage in the HTML file. I'm sure the HTML for a page that just should've been <html><body><b>BALLS</b></body></html> it would've been several megabytes large.

e. I have a distinct memory of whipping up a fake company webpage as part of a project, and opening the source of the page and it was just this solid word-wrapped wall of text, and I remember thinking "what the gently caress it's like two tables and some headers and paragraphs, why

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice

Jerry Cotton posted:

Is there a Nobel prize for mostly making Youtubes about Sonic but none of them are terrible?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b4Iwe-dBAg

This guy was one of the programmers from Traveler's Tales who worked on Sonic 3d Blast, and he's been making a ton of videos lately about all the cool programming techniques they used to do impossible things on the Genesis. It's pretty great.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Data Graham posted:

The small-town ISP that I worked at in the mid-90s had a steady line of barely-worthwhile business putting local restaurants and lawyers on the web, selling them a domain and then dutifully posting their Microsoft Publisher generated GIF "webpage" to it.

We tried time and again to explain to customers why this was a lovely way to do things, but actually paying us to write HTML meant actually paying us, so

Amazing that Microsoft predicted that we’d just be posting images of text in the future.

People and businesses on Facebook and Twitter post tons of images of text. :(

Chairman Mao
Apr 24, 2004

The Chinese Communist Party is the core of leadership of the whole Chinese people. Without this core, the cause of socialism cannot be victorious.

Last Chance posted:

People and businesses on Facebook and Twitter post tons of images of text. :(

Videos of still images of text.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Chairman Mao posted:

Videos of still images of text.

This is so people have to share the video instead of copying the image and pasting into their own post.

GI_Clutch
Aug 22, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
Dinosaur Gum
I really like this tweet I just read. But how can I share this with others? I know! I'll take a screenshot, apply a filter to it, then post it on facebook. If only there was an easier way...

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
At least that way you still have it when they delete it and replace it with a "sorry if you were offended" tweet...

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

GI_Clutch posted:

I really like this tweet I just read. But how can I share this with others? I know! I'll take a screenshot, apply a filter to it, then post it on facebook. If only there was an easier way...

Screenshot of a tumblr post that is a screenshot of a tweet along with the entire reaction conversation chain from tumblr.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eqLzcvVpiM

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


I actually set up Windows inside DOSBox a while back just to see if I could get Catz working. The demo version works fine, but the retail CD-ROM version refuses to see that WING is installed no matter what I try. :(

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


drat, I played a lot with the Dogz demo on that Win95 Game Sampler CD back in 96.

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Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬

I had several generations of pups in Dogz 3. Loved that game to death.

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