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Rutibex posted:no, the Mayans were around about the same time as the Roman Empire. well into the iron age in europe. Didin't the Mayan use obsidian, which was better than low quality iron? (at least for weaponry and stuff)
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Obsidian's main use by Mesoamerican civilisations was for blades, since it gets insanely sharp, and even then for weapons they slotted obsidian blades into wooden frames. (which would also serve as clubs for when you didn't want to kill people and instead take them captive for ritual sacrifice) It's different circumstances and opportunities; not enough good iron and not enough pressure to develop it, and isolation from civilisations that did. Similar reason native Australians never developed much technology; hard to when you don't have any of the reliable crops or livestock the rest of the world took for granted.
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hwan empire (history of korean)
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Inescapable Duck posted:Obsidian's main use by Mesoamerican civilisations was for blades, since it gets insanely sharp, and even then for weapons they slotted obsidian blades into wooden frames. (which would also serve as clubs for when you didn't want to kill people and instead take them captive for ritual sacrifice) Didn/t they develop sophisticated maps like the polineasians did tech isn't always lazers and mettalurgy
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Meskhenet posted:Didin't the Mayan use obsidian, which was better than low quality iron? (at least for weaponry and stuff) yeah, and a weird counterintuitive face about mesoamerican warfare is that, unlike the rest of the world, its purpose wasn’t to kill but to maim. that way, the victor got to drag back some captives for human sacrifice. they were big on blunt instruments as well
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This is genuinely interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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How did temple prostitution work? Durrant says that in Babylon all women had to go to the temple and whore themselves out before before being married. Was that a real phenomenon?
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Frosted Flake posted:How did temple prostitution work? Yeah it was like volunteering.
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This is fun
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hakimashou posted:Yeah it was like volunteering. Was it sincere religious devotion or a way to get a dowry? Maybe both?
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Frosted Flake posted:Was it sincere religious devotion or a way to get a dowry? Maybe both? Ask your mom
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Inescapable Duck posted:I love threads like this. I feel one of the best ways to understand history is to try and get a feel for what it was like to live in that day and age, how things were different (or similar) to modern life and what views on the world might have been like. I’m glad you like it. I wish there was more study of ancient Roman mystery religions and the Hellenistic age generally.
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verbal enema posted:Ask your mom boom
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It was the Lord of Atlantis who proved too strong, giving all Sea People +1/+1 and islandwalk, OP
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:It was the Lord of Atlantis who proved too strong, giving all Sea People +1/+1 and islandwalk, OP I still have to wonder how Plato conceived of the idea of Atlantis — if it was a distant memory of the palatial polities in the Mycenaean period, Minoan Crete, a hitherto undocumented civilization or if he was doing it for the lols.
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he was just describing his perfect world and society and circle islands are apparently perfection
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That Robot posted:I still have to wonder how Plato conceived of the idea of Atlantis — if it was a distant memory of the palatial polities in the Mycenaean period, Minoan Crete, a hitherto undocumented civilization or if he was doing it for the lols. 
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What's this?
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The Azores, isn’t it?
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Astoundingly Ugly Baby posted:The Azores, isn’t it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini Home to a very big boom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption
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Erghh posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini That is also a viable theory. I would be interested to learn about the concentric circles surrounding Atlantis that Plato described — it seemed awfully specific.
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That Robot posted:That is also a viable theory. Plato made a lot of poo poo up.
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From what I know, Atlantis isnt something that anyone really believed in. Even at the time, it was just an allegory that Plato came up with and everyone knew it. I think he was using it as a device to contrast with his idea of a perfect Athens. Like, Atlantis was super advanced and powerful but they werent virtuous like the Athenians were, and the Athenians end up defeating them because the gods are on their side, so Atlantis sinks beneath the waves. All of the thinkers and philosophers knew that Atlantis was just something Plato came up with, all through the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages. Im not sure when that changed but I think in the 19th century, when archeology was starting to become a thing, less knowledgeable folks started to make poo poo up about how Atlantis was totally real and Atlanteans founded the Mayans, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc. and they had psychic spiritual powers. But that all came from "modern" people, not ancient times.
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Blue Star posted:From what I know, Atlantis isnt something that anyone really believed in. Even at the time, it was just an allegory that Plato came up with and everyone knew it. I think he was using it as a device to contrast with his idea of a perfect Athens. Like, Atlantis was super advanced and powerful but they werent virtuous like the Athenians were, and the Athenians end up defeating them because the gods are on their side, so Atlantis sinks beneath the waves. All of the thinkers and philosophers knew that Atlantis was just something Plato came up with, all through the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages. Im not sure when that changed but I think in the 19th century, when archeology was starting to become a thing, less knowledgeable folks started to make poo poo up about how Atlantis was totally real and Atlanteans founded the Mayans, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc. and they had psychic spiritual powers. But that all came from "modern" people, not ancient times. Conclusive proof that people are becoming dumber, not smarter.
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Blue Star posted:From what I know, Atlantis isnt something that anyone really believed in. Even at the time, it was just an allegory that Plato came up with and everyone knew it. I think he was using it as a device to contrast with his idea of a perfect Athens. Like, Atlantis was super advanced and powerful but they werent virtuous like the Athenians were, and the Athenians end up defeating them because the gods are on their side, so Atlantis sinks beneath the waves. All of the thinkers and philosophers knew that Atlantis was just something Plato came up with, all through the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages. Im not sure when that changed but I think in the 19th century, when archeology was starting to become a thing, less knowledgeable folks started to make poo poo up about how Atlantis was totally real and Atlanteans founded the Mayans, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc. and they had psychic spiritual powers. But that all came from "modern" people, not ancient times. uhh, over those centuries, the context for that story got lost, and people start asking "was there really a city state on an island that sank into the ocean?" which is a cool question to ask in an emerging field like Archaeology.
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That Robot posted:I still have to wonder how Plato conceived of the idea of Atlantis — if it was a distant memory of the palatial polities in the Mycenaean period, Minoan Crete, a hitherto undocumented civilization or if he was doing it for the lols. he didn't make it up, Solon told him about it man 
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Atlantis was in what is now called Bolivia.
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Atlantis was Plato's background setting for his planned cinematic (theatric?) universe to tie all his works together into the most profitable franchise of the classical era. He was working on writing himself into the overarching plot as a handsome, Goku-like protagonist when he had to suddenly deal with all that "being sold into slavery" bullshit.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Rome liked to integrate other culture's pantheons into their own. Oh you have a storm god too? Thats cool, hes just an aspect of Zeus, so worship him whatever just pay your taxes. That and a refusal to sacrifice for Rome itself.
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Randaconda posted:Plato made a lot of poo poo up. platonic ideal of world-building tho
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it's insane how much lead people consumed back in the day. plus it probably wasn't widely known that shaking your baby to quiet them made them retarded. really when you think about it it's no wonder people in olden times acted like maniacs a lot of the time.
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ChickenHeart posted:Atlantis was Plato's background setting for his planned cinematic (theatric?) universe to tie all his works together into the most profitable franchise of the classical era. diogenes: ENDLESS TRASH heraclitus: gently caress you, it's gamelion
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basic hitler posted:
Drinking lead is cool. You should try it
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Blue Star posted:From what I know, Atlantis isnt something that anyone really believed in. Even at the time, it was just an allegory that Plato came up with and everyone knew it. I think he was using it as a device to contrast with his idea of a perfect Athens. Like, Atlantis was super advanced and powerful but they werent virtuous like the Athenians were, and the Athenians end up defeating them because the gods are on their side, so Atlantis sinks beneath the waves. All of the thinkers and philosophers knew that Atlantis was just something Plato came up with, all through the Roman Empire and the Middle Ages. Im not sure when that changed but I think in the 19th century, when archeology was starting to become a thing, less knowledgeable folks started to make poo poo up about how Atlantis was totally real and Atlanteans founded the Mayans, the Egyptians, Mesopotamians, etc. and they had psychic spiritual powers. But that all came from "modern" people, not ancient times. You're disregarding the illiterate 99.9% of the ancient for whom all the old myths were just the oral history of humanity and who would have found a lost civilization of Supermen sunk into the ocean for defying the gods to be more or less par for the course
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:it's insane how much lead people consumed back in the day. People still consume lead and I wouldn't be surprised if it was even more per capita given their only exposure to lead was non-chlorine treated water flowing through a relatively small network of pipes and the 0.1% consuming extravagant liquers made in lead-lined pots. Compare that to our insane number of lead exposure vectors, along with all the other biochemical disrupters, and the part where people act like maniacs all the time.
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Maybe thats why we still act like manics even in modern times
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Lead was used as sweetener in place of sugar. Edit: also this is all iron age, not bronze age
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I just read the entire 1177BC book by Cline. someone recommended a while back and lol he took 300 pages to say "we have no idea, probably a bunch of poo poo together causes the collapse." He does a good job going through the theories arguing that nobody knows poo poo.
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That Robot posted:That is also a viable theory. Erghh posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorini wikipedia posted:Immediately prior to the Minoan eruption, the walls of the caldera formed a nearly continuous ring of islands with the only entrance lying between Thera and the tiny island of Aspronisi.[10]
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