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Moriatti posted:Wait what Its post game content. You unlock 4 fights, one for each mission objective type. I beat the fiest three to find out the last is a 20+ turn limit toad escort quest and RIP 100% the game because Im not doing that.
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DalaranJ posted:The only reason to feel bad is if you’re actually friends with player A. Otherwise Yeah, this is unfortunately part of the issue here. Part of why I was as mad as I was, I expected him not be so immature about something like this. Thanks for the encouragement, everyone.
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Saguaro PI posted:Yeah, this is unfortunately part of the issue here. Part of why I was as mad as I was, I expected him not be so immature about something like this. Nobody's commented on this part specifically, Saguaro PI posted:literally before we started I said some things about how inter-party conflict should only be a thing if everyone is on board with it. but this is a thing you got absolutely right. You don't need to be any clearer about it than that (not sure if you even could be), and someone who's agreed to that and then chosen not to respect it is acting like an rear end in a top hat regardless of what they think their reason is or how they act at all other times. edit: TTRPGs do seem to have an uncanny ability to bring out the immature shitbag in an otherwise normal person who would never act like that in any other social situation. I think it's about not understanding that pretending to be an rear end in a top hat in the game can make the IRL experience of gaming lovely for everyone else. Like a less extreme version of "It can't be racist, it's in a fictional setting". Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 21, 2017 |
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I think Player B walked into it a little bit with picking a race that came with a warning beforehand, and if an NPC had been a jerk about it, they wouldn't have had too much room to complain (which isn't to say adjustments couldn't have been made if it was really a dealbreaker for that player), but yeah obviously the warning against party conflict if someone else didn't want it (and just not being a dick) should have trumped that as far as Player A was concerned, at least after it was pointed out as being a problem. Getting defensive/angry about not being able to be a fantasy racist to another party member is really dumb. I used to be guilty of having a tendency for my characters to just happen to have character motivations that would put them in conflict with other party members, and looking back on it I mostly regret that. There's a time and a place, but for the most part 'my character's going to be a dick to these other characters' really can be read as a proxy for 'I'm going to be a dick.' It never led to anything dramatic off the table, but I mostly attribute that to my friends being patient for putting up with me.
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AlphaDog posted:edit: TTRPGs do seem to have an uncanny ability to bring out the immature shitbag in an otherwise normal person who would never act like that in any other social situation. I think it's about not understanding that pretending to be an rear end in a top hat in the game can make the IRL experience of gaming lovely for everyone else. Like a less extreme version of "It can't be racist, it's in a fictional setting". Is it my experience that the smaller the stakes, the more easily people become assholes. I don't know why this is. It's just my personal observation. Personally, though, I love this piece from Robin Laws' Hillfolk: Hillfolk posted:WE DIDN’T CALL IT “HILLMEN,” DID WE?
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Is it my experience that the smaller the stakes, the more easily people become assholes. I don't know why this is. It's just my personal observation. I never thought about it like that but... yeah, I think you're right.
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To an extent it isn't even specifically that he was keen to roleplay that particular racist aspect of the character, but more he was angry over the idea that someone else would get to "veto" an aspect that he thought was reasonable given the fiction. We had talked a couple times before the game that he wasn't sure how it was going to play out with him in the group because he's more interested in heavy character driven stuff than some of the other, less experienced players. But personally my view as someone who has also been at this for a while is that it's on those of us who have more experience to be flexible assuming nobody is being disruptive, since we have that capability. Like I've said, it's one thing that it wasn't what he wanted from a game, we can't help that, but I get a strong impression that his anger is based on him believing that he's being more true to the medium or whatever and that's pretty aggravating.
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Saguaro PI posted:...he wasn't sure how it was going to play out with him in the group because he's more interested in heavy character driven stuff than some of the other, less experienced players In my experience, this kind of statement is a huge red flag, especially because in combination with Saguaro PI posted:believing that he's being more true to the medium or whatever it's almost certainly going to end up with some kind of boundary-crossing moment which will lead either to someone quietly never coming back or directly into an "I'm uncomfortable with this theme, and we agreed not to bring it up, why are you bringing it up? / It's just roleplaying, it's just fiction, why are you being so sensitive about it?" argument, which is much worse in real life than it is on the internet.
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Is this all because some dude had his character say out loud "I ain't dungeon delvin' with no stinkin' gnome"
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Plutonis posted:Is this all because some dude had his character say out loud "I ain't dungeon delvin' with no stinkin' gnome" It was actually because the party had been offered a sort of signing bonus for the job and said dude had his character say out loud "wait, are we really giving the Nocker a share". It wasn't something he was going to be firm on but it was something he wanted to play out.
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Plutonis posted:Is Nocker a slur for gnome? Nah, that's just what they're called.
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Ohh yeah ok. Seems like the player should have known better than bring that out than when dividing loot. That's when the tempers flare.
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 New blogpost is up, for The Next Project. For your weekend reading pleasure, the topic of discussion is "Deconstructing Archetypes."Basically breaking down those particular class options into their component parts, so that things can be costed out and built into the leveling mechanics -- beefing up some classes where needed, and tuning down others.
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Saguaro PI posted:It was actually because the party had been offered a sort of signing bonus for the job and said dude had his character say out loud "wait, are we really giving the Nocker a share". It wasn't something he was going to be firm on but it was something he wanted to play out.
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Splicer posted:That sure is an uh phonetically unfortunate naming choice for the "brownie or house spirits"... ..."thought of almost more like quirky pets than people" Yeah I can see where you're going with that, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore) Elector_Nerdlingen fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Oct 21, 2017 |
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AlphaDog posted:Yeah I can see where you're going with that, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knocker_(folklore)
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Splicer posted:That sure is an uh phonetically unfortunate naming choice for the "brownie or house spirits"... ..."thought of almost more like quirky pets than people" I mean, I probably wouldn't read anything like that into it. Like AlphaDog said, it's a name from folklore that I picked so that folks wouldn't conflate them too much with gnomes or kobolds and how they are in D&D.
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Aaa, I just thought "wait, are we really giving the Nocker a share" sounded really dicey and then got carried away. I regret everything.
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Splicer posted:Aaa, I just thought "wait, are we really giving the Nocker a share" sounded really dicey and then got carried away. I regret everything. Nah it's cool, I should've been more clear about it. I used the phrase "fictional gnome racism" in my op in an attempt to be pithy.
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Waffleman_ posted:Tonight at 6:30 Pacific, Hyper RPG's gonna be giving more information about their new Power Rangers show so tune in to their Twitch if you're curious. Is there any way to check this out now?
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Agent Rush posted:Is there any way to check this out now? There should be a VOD of it, I'll check when I get home.
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Anyone ever noticed that AMP by Eloy Lasanta is essentially a ripoff of the Ultimate Comics X-Men? In AMP, you are an underclass of super-powered people who were created as an accident from a super soldier project. The test subjects got out and people started developing powers genetically. In Ultimate Comics X-Men, as a result of the ultimatum event, it was discovered that mutants were created as the result of an attempt to duplicate the Captain America Super Soldier serum. It got out, turned virus, and infect the entire world. To be clear, this is only true in the Ultimate Universe which is a now-defunct line of comics. This is not true in the main Marvel Universe. In both properties, the government begins to crackdown violently, teams of heroes defending people are formed, groups of mutant extremists are formed, excetera. Like, it's obvious AMP was ripping off X-Men, but I didn't realize till now was specifically ripping off Ultimate X-Men.
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https://go.twitch.tv/videos/183874775 Here's the VOD of the Power Rangers HyperForce panel.
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I didn't find anything to fit the extremely casual group I had in mind but I ended up purchasing Dread and Ten Candles for my regular crew based on everyone's recommendations. We were really into Ten Candles conceptually but one of the players fell asleep during the second scene haha. Maybe next time.
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Waffleman_ posted:https://go.twitch.tv/videos/183874775 Thanks, I couldn't find it on the site.
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Agent Rush posted:Thanks, I couldn't find it on the site. The stream was hosted on the official TwitchCon stream, so that's where it was.
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Brother Entropy posted:i don't think uc x-men was the first story to have that specific idea (admittedly i can't think of any off-hand, though) I don't know, it just feels pretty close. Hell if, instead of the President getting shot in AMP to start the government crackdown, a mutant flooded a city, it'd be ridiculously close. Too bad that AMP is apparently not that good of a game since running UC X-Men-esque stuff might be kind of cool. Unless I'm wrong and it's a good game. Anyone got an opinion they care to share?
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Zoro posted:I don't know, it just feels pretty close. Hell if, instead of the President getting shot in AMP to start the government crackdown, a mutant flooded a city, it'd be ridiculously close.
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All cape comics have the same plot so that might be the source of your worries.
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Arivia posted:Why not just run MHR? It's literally designed for running Marvel comics games and is A+. Holy gently caress, Arivia is 100% correct and that uh... That doesn't happen. MHR is amazing and has an X-Men datafile book. It's hard to come across but I hear some people might send it to you via Skype. ....DoctorMoriatti
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Anyone know how Assets and Complications work in MHR? How long do they last? It's not clear. If they're just done, do they last a scene or one roll? Is this only Asset or Assets and Complications? The rulebook is a tad unclear.
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Covok posted:Anyone know how Assets and Complications work in MHR? How long do they last? It's not clear. If they're just done, do they last a scene or one roll? Is this only Asset or Assets and Complications? The rulebook is a tad unclear. Page OM22: "Assets usually last until the end of the scene. Stress and complications are a bit different. They're temporary traits that are inflicted on your hero during conflicts that don't go your way." Page OM29: "Unlike stress, complications don't inflict trauma and usually go away after the situation is resolved."
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One of my friends just texted me this "I'm running 4e. One of my players maxed Charisma and is dumping all his points on Intimidate and Diplomacy, then proceeds to roll Intimidate/Diplomacy on my other players who have low Will values to coerce them into doing stuff. Should I hand out free feats to bolster their defenses so as to stop this player from ruining the game?" 
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Azran posted:One of my friends just texted me this tell them they can't use their skills to coerce the other players because it's not a loving PvP game
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Azran posted:One of my friends just texted me this Do they know this isn't a single player game?
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