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fishmech posted:Use a real os and not Microsoft windows
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cinci zoo sniper posted:ive never even heard of tbem "The Commission concluded that with a near-monopoly in the operating system market, Microsoft's bundling of Windows Media Player within Windows was anti-competitive. Microsoft was forced to unbundle the software and offer European consumers and manufacturers a version of Windows without it." that's windows N releases. " On February 24, 2006, the Korean Fair Trade Commission (KFTC) ordered Microsoft to modify certain Microsoft Windows XP operating systems that are currently available in the Republic of Korea. In response to the KFTC order, Microsoft created new versions of Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition and Microsoft Windows XP Professional for distribution in the Republic of Korea. The new versions that contain “K” in the name include links to Web sites that contain links to software downloads. These downloads are for third-party media player software and instant messaging software that are available to Korean consumers. " So basically Microsoft had to make K and N versions of Windows available because "consumer choice" and since they cost the same as normal windows with less functionality, very few bought them. TechNet etc would give additional windows keys for K/N releases in each windows version though, so a lot of those are floating around to get sold for use.
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Oct 22, 2017 13:38
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fishmech posted:So basically Microsoft had to make K and N versions of Windows available because "consumer choice" and since they cost the same as normal windows with less functionality, very few bought them. TechNet etc would give additional windows keys for K/N releases in each windows version though, so a lot of those are floating around to get sold for use. The same thing happened with IE in the US and there's no way im trusting a company to not exploit being the default anything especially one that puts literal ads on the start menu of the operating system on my pc
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Oct 22, 2017 14:39
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ThePeavstenator posted:The same thing happened with IE in the US Oh yeah we were all so oppressed not having to purchase browsers and media players like cavemen.  It's good as hell that Microsoft killed those business models.
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Oct 22, 2017 15:18
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oh god, i'm getting fishmeched
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Oct 22, 2017 15:48
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my premium browser purchase
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Oct 22, 2017 15:51
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before IE browsers were not free. also the idea that an os would come without a browser or media player built in was a total joke and made it pretty clear how much of a cash grab those settlements were
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Oct 22, 2017 15:54
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ThePeavstenator posted:my premium browser purchase why wouldn't you spring for the Gold version of Netscape 3.0?!
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Oct 22, 2017 16:04
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Shaggar posted:before IE browsers were not free. also the idea that an os would come without a browser or media player built in was a total joke and made it pretty clear how much of a cash grab those settlements were I'm not pretending like it's not convenient to have all of that poo poo bundled with the OS, but those regulations don't exist to kneecap Windows for being "too good". Also I'm just not inspired to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt when I have to opt out of advertisements in my OS.
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Oct 22, 2017 16:12
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no, they existed to extract payment from Microsoft.
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Oct 22, 2017 16:16
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extracting money from corporations is cool and good, hth
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Oct 22, 2017 16:19
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ThePeavstenator posted:I'm not pretending like it's not convenient to have all of that poo poo bundled with the OS, but those regulations don't exist to kneecap Windows for being "too good". They did though. All they did was make there be a bad version of Windows that no one wanted. Just to defend the honor of scam artists who wanted to force you to pay extra to browse the web or play media.
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Oct 22, 2017 16:39
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Powaqoatse posted:extracting money from corporations is cool and good, hth this is fair that means that microsoft was good to add ie and wmp (to kill the profits of the other corporations) and governments were right to sue microsoft (because they're a corporation too)
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Oct 22, 2017 16:43
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Powaqoatse posted:extracting money from corporations is cool and good, hth owns
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Oct 22, 2017 16:49
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Cocoa Crispies posted:working in national security is exactly like yt's mom's job in snow crash is portrayed: you get to work on a tiny part of a thing you are forbidden from understanding and there are insipid metrics and meetings do you want to end up trapped in a cube because that's how you end up trapped in a cube
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Oct 22, 2017 16:57
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lol im already 100% cube and everyone else is owned
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Oct 22, 2017 17:01
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cubes are so 1998 orbs are the new hotness
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Oct 22, 2017 17:25
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maskenfreiheit posted:cubes are so 1998 looking forward to when employers realize that instead of giving each employee their own orb, they can save money by putting them all in one big orb
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Oct 22, 2017 17:29
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new sitcom: one orb job
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Oct 22, 2017 17:29
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ThePeavstenator posted:looking forward to when employers realize that instead of giving each employee their own orb, they can save money by putting them all in one big orb 
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Oct 22, 2017 17:31
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Wait what's an orbjob
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Oct 22, 2017 17:43
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ohgodwhat posted:Wait what's an orbjob Well tell you when you're older
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Oct 22, 2017 17:51
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Shifty Pony posted:why wouldn't you spring for the Gold version of Netscape 3.0?! wait, you were supposed to pay for Netscape navigator gold? my local community college had it as a free download at their free net
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Oct 22, 2017 18:04
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it was free for schools
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Oct 22, 2017 18:05
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it was free for all non-commercial use
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Oct 22, 2017 18:08
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it was free for anybody with half a brain
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Oct 22, 2017 18:16
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Midjack posted:it was free for anybody with half a brain Which is why shagger doesn't know about it
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Oct 22, 2017 18:17
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Midjack posted:it was free for anybody with half a brain And IE was free for everyone, even Mac users, and happened to be much better too. That's why Netscape died and deserved it
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Oct 22, 2017 18:25
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fishmech posted:And IE was free for everyone, even Mac users, and happened to be much better too. That's why Netscape died and deserved it Netscape died because they got bought by AOL, stopped releasing for 2 years while they made their brand new browser, and by the time they came out with their new browser they had lost all of their users to IE. Also as soon as IE gained significant market share Netscape Navigator became free.
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Oct 22, 2017 18:37
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maskenfreiheit posted:do you want to end up trapped in a cube
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Oct 22, 2017 18:37
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ThePeavstenator posted:Netscape died because they got bought by AOL, stopped releasing for 2 years while they made their brand new browser, and by the time they came out with their new browser they had lost all of their users to IE. Also as soon as IE gained significant market share Netscape Navigator became free. Netscape had no viable business model without selling browsers and also had a bad browser to start with. It's good Microsoft killed them with free browser
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Oct 22, 2017 18:40
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ThePeavstenator posted:Netscape died because they got bought by AOL nah, we got bought by AOL because we were hosed, AOL just made the end more degrading
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Oct 22, 2017 18:40
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spankmeister posted:Well tell you when you're orber 
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Oct 22, 2017 18:59
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fishmech posted:They did though. All they did was make there be a bad version of Windows that no one wanted. Just to defend the honor of scam artists who wanted to force you to pay extra to browse the web or play media. i want and use the version of windows they enforced, and i'm sorry you use badly built apps that crash when they don't have the correct and glorious united states version of windows
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Oct 22, 2017 18:59
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Subjunctive posted:nah, we got bought by AOL because we were hosed, AOL just made the end more degrading You don't miss those good old days of reskinning the browser to match the homepage, just in time for the homepage to be redesigned and have to do it all over again?
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Oct 22, 2017 19:21
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I was a little kid when Netscape went down the drain. I vaguely remember Navigator becoming bloated and including AIM when it was renamed to Communicator or something like that. But what actually happened to make Netscape "be hosed"?
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Oct 22, 2017 19:22
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Subjunctive posted:nah, we got bought by AOL because we were hosed, AOL just made the end more degrading mozillian?
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Oct 22, 2017 19:24
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Truga posted:i want and use the version of windows they enforced, and i'm sorry you use badly built apps that crash when they don't have the correct and glorious united states version of windows Turns out media playback and html rendering are pretty core functions of an OS and removing it is stupid as gently caress. Unsurprisingly, anti-American regulators don't realize or care about that.
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Oct 22, 2017 19:26
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EssOEss posted:I was a little kid when Netscape went down the drain. I vaguely remember Navigator becoming bloated and including AIM when it was renamed to Communicator or something like that. But what actually happened to make Netscape "be hosed"? Netscape tried to turn it into corporate groupware and it all went to poo poo.
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Netscape also pushed hard to incorporate their own proprietary solutions to lock in developers and users because at the time everyone was crowing about how soon the OS and native applications wouldn't matter at all and everything would be via web browser. then whenever people decided to not use whatever they were pushing they came up with horrible performance and stability killing hack jobs to make Navigator "work" with whatever actually became standard. iirc a page which had the gall to use both tables and css would almost guarantee a crash. that was solvable by disabling css which was accomplished by disabling JavaScript (because the browser rendered css by translating css into JavaScript and executing that).
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