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Shifty Pony posted:(because the browser rendered css by translating css into JavaScript and executing that). what the gently caress I'm eating here dude.
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Also thank god we're finally past the era of Mountain View, CA technology companies trying to turn a web browser into an entire operating system.
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mrmcd posted:what the gently caress I'm eating here dude. JavaScript based style sheets were almost a standard https://www.w3.org/Submission/1996/1/WD-jsss-960822
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Shaggar posted:Turns out media playback and html rendering are pretty core functions of an OS and removing it is stupid as gently caress. Unsurprisingly, anti-American regulators don't realize or care about that. none of those things are removed from any windows install. the only difference is media player (the app, not any media playback components) isn't installed, and i get to choose which browser to install as default. ie is still installed, just not default. if your apps crash because a really bad media player isn't installed, your apps are terrible and you should feel bad.
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Shifty Pony posted:JavaScript based style sheets were almost a standard what a bullet we dodged, this looks completely awful
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I once sold a copy of Netscape to some sailors because "I know it's a free download but we have to buy it" Also one time I really messed up Windows and IE wouldn't open but I was able to grab Navigator from ftp.netscape.com and I felt like a hacker in a movie. Those are my Netscape stories.
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Main Paineframe posted:what a bullet we dodged, this looks completely awful eh, it's only a matter of time before this is reality. there's already web pages where the entire html is little more than <script src=js/webpage.js>, see new youtube design for example. it's only a matter of time now before bitcoin mining javascript isn't even going to be noticeable because every page will eat all your resources. vvvv: you're an idiot hth Truga fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Truga posted:i want and use the version of windows they enforced, and i'm sorry you use badly built apps that crash when they don't have the correct and glorious united states version of windows I'm lolling hard at your brainwrongs that make you want to have no media capability out of the box, despite paying no less money for your license. Seek help. What N edition does, in fact, is remove a bunch of codecs and media api functions that don't actually use windows media player at all, because the eu decided having such things was unfair competition for some company thats sold those things lol fishmech fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Oct 22, 2017 |
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Truga posted:eh, it's only a matter of time before this is reality. there's already web pages where the entire html is little more than <script src=js/webpage.js>, see new youtube design for example. it's only a matter of time now before bitcoin mining javascript isn't even going to be noticeable because every page will eat all your resources. nice meltdown over you buying an objectively broken version for no reason.
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lol, you think i buy windows e: fishmeched again 
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Truga posted:lol, you think i buy windows the only possible reason to have it is buying it, because anyone smart enough to pirate windows would pirate a fully functional version, not the arbritrarily crippled version that only exists to meet a foolish EU ruling on a technicality. no one is ever supposed to be stupid enough to use N editions.
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its stupid to use k or n versions but it's also stupid to care about what version people use
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Shifty Pony posted:JavaScript based style sheets were almost a standard i now hate the 90s
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Truga posted:lol, you think i buy windows never reply to wikipedia stymie
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Raere posted:it's also stupid to care
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Pikavangelist posted:i now hate the 90s it is really the only proper response to that decade in tech. also all other decades.
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Shaggar posted:Turns out media playback and html rendering are pretty core functions of an OS 
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Shaggar posted:Turns out media playback and html rendering are pretty core functions of an OS i too remember active desktop
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at my last job i used the N version of win 7 the whole time because gently caress windows media player and it never broke anything ever so idk what y'all are talkin' about
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Blinkz0rz posted:i too remember active desktop i miss being able to set blue ball machine as my desktop and then regret that a few minutes later 
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Shifty Pony posted:JavaScript based style sheets were almost a standard That unclosed paragraph tag in their first example is upsetting me.
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Yet it is perfectly valid HTML5 (minus the missing doctype tag), which is a nice affirmation to the cause of eternal backward compatibility.
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flakeloaf posted:only barely who does this? who has the technical ability to set up something like this, but not the sense to know why it's a bad idea? I'm hoping one of you has had a user that did this and can talk about it some, it's baffling to me
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LordSaturn posted:who does this? who has the technical ability to set up something like this, but not the sense to know why it's a bad idea? I'm hoping one of you has had a user that did this and can talk about it some, it's baffling to me i assume it's more "has the technical ability to set it up, but can't convince the boss demanding it to be set up that the idea is bad"
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setting up a webcam is easy (as evidenced by this obviously default-password-enabled one), and those keys are probably from vendors so it's not like they know why it's important not to do this, it's just "that dumb thing $vendor makes us do, and we only have one of them but the whole dev team needs access!"
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flakeloaf posted:only barely this owns
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flakeloaf posted:only barely that's amazing ive got the same combination on my luggage
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Browsers.
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Shaggar posted:Turns out media playback and html rendering are pretty core functions of an OS and removing it is stupid as gently caress. Unsurprisingly, anti-American regulators don't realize or care about that. Blinkz0rz posted:i too remember active desktop Was MS making that argument seriyospost the reason for active desktop? 
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nah, active desktop was to compete with pointcast and marimba castanet the web browser was necessary for the operating system because of e.g. the sidebar in explorer windows
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ate all the Oreos posted:at my last job i used the N version of win 7 the whole time because gently caress windows media player and it never broke anything ever so idk what y'all are talkin' about did you install alternate codec packs and media player classic and other such stuff on that pc. because that would typically fix the missing features. but also lol that you're equally brokebrained to intentionally install a broken version of windows rather than maybe delete a shortcut to a program you don't use. pseudorandom name posted:nah, active desktop was to compete with pointcast and marimba castanet also because of how modern windows help system is HTML rendered by a normal rendering engine. and a bunch of other stuff like that.
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oh no, it's the shaggarmech
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Schadenboner posted:Was MS making that argument seriyospost the reason for active desktop? no, hes making a joke. the html renderer in windows is used all over the place in the os and any applications that use native browser controls. windows media is the same deal where the core libs can be used by apps to do encoding/decoding/rendering and then are also used by the native media controls that applications can use.
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that is, shaggar, until they found out how lovely it was and wrote a lightweight ui framework (called directui iirc) to replace the fatty piggy sluggish web ui embeds
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yeah html is not a good language for UIs, but in the xp days when this came about it was all over things like help and whatnot. its still used in any native browser controls. you can switch to using alternatives, but they're universally worse.
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oh no actually the reason was that for backwards compatibility reasons you could only have 32768 ui resources (windows, buttons, toolbars etc.) and 32768 graphics resources (bitmaps, fonts, etc.) at once and web views were a single big flat image that took a gigantic amount of ram and cpu but! very few system resources. the office ui (toolkit was called opus iirc while the dialog windows used a toolkit called simply Forms) was the same deal
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Ah, ok. My memory of the late 90s is a little fuzzy and it doesn't seem impossible that MS would have done something like that and been all "See? Irremovable from the OS!  "
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Schadenboner posted:Ah, ok. My memory of the late 90s is a little fuzzy and it doesn't seem impossible that MS would have done something like that and been all "See? Irremovable from the OS! what's with the av
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duTrieux. posted:what's with the av it's the lovely newbie av
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