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terrorist ambulance posted:Then it's just bulldozing poorly constructed ai armies with your monster doomstacks. total_war.txt
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I think Total War Games having end-game challenges is good and my biggest apprehension with Mortal Empires is that it doesn't have one. The Vortex Campaign is still poorly designed in places and could use a great deal of polish.
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Oct 22, 2017 22:01
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madmac posted:
Totally agreed. I hope CA does an 'emperors edition' for the TW2.
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Oct 22, 2017 22:37
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madmac posted:I think Total War Games having end-game challenges is good and my biggest apprehension with Mortal Empires is that it doesn't have one. The Chaos end times invasion is still in though?
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Oct 22, 2017 22:42
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I would love to see Mortal Empires to have an expanded version of time Chaos invasion where in addition to Chaos you also get incursions of Skaven, Beastmen, and Greenskins along with giving certain rival AI factions some bonuses to help them become more of a threat. You'd get large incursions from various map edges you'd have to deal with so regardless of who you are playing you get affected. It also gives more variety since you're not just fighting Norsca/Chaos.
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Oct 22, 2017 22:44
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:The Chaos end times invasion is still in though? That's only ever been a threat to the Empire and even then only if they're not player controlled. I think most of the problems with Vortex can be solved by making enemy armies spawn outside your territory and/or making them beeline for your ritual sites and ignore other towns (excluding HElf gates). Just anything that makes them capable to be prepared against. No clue how to fix interventions though. Maybe spawn them on the water. Give you time to prepare and them the option of selecting their target?
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Oct 22, 2017 22:50
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I don't know, I thought it was super cool when i started a ritual at +5000 gold/turn as Teclis and by the time the turn was over my capital was under siege by an intervention army and I was at -7000 gold/turn. I also foolishly had my defensive stack a few turns away from the capital, defending the two ritual sites, meaning I went from a really comfortable gold buffer to completely bankrupt before I could break the siege.
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Oct 22, 2017 22:56
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The good thing about those intervention stacks is that you actually get to defend your capital. I would LOVE to have an event where Thorgrim with a full stack of elite units are in a dire effort to defend Karaz a Karak and still have it be a dire effort. Normally I almost never have to defend my capital against any serious threat late game.
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Oct 22, 2017 23:01
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Pendent posted:I don't know, I thought it was super cool when i started a ritual at +5000 gold/turn as Teclis and by the time the turn was over my capital was under siege by an intervention army and I was at -7000 gold/turn. I also foolishly had my defensive stack a few turns away from the capital, defending the two ritual sites, meaning I went from a really comfortable gold buffer to completely bankrupt before I could break the siege. Put a stack in your capital and build a garrison, congrats, you can now autoresolve away all intervention armies by sallying out
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Oct 22, 2017 23:07
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Panfilo posted:The good thing about those intervention stacks is that you actually get to defend your capital. I would LOVE to have an event where Thorgrim with a full stack of elite units are in a dire effort to defend Karaz a Karak and still have it be a dire effort. Normally I almost never have to defend my capital against any serious threat late game. I almost think intervention stacks should be used defensively. If you're caught out of position you (or more importantly the dumb rear end AI) can overpay for a group of mercenaries to reinforce your siege defense and pray they can take enough heat off you to hold the walls.
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Oct 22, 2017 23:12
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Panfilo posted:The good thing about those intervention stacks is that you actually get to defend your capital. I would LOVE to have an event where Thorgrim with a full stack of elite units are in a dire effort to defend Karaz a Karak and still have it be a dire effort. Normally I almost never have to defend my capital against any serious threat late game. Yeah, being able to fight some epic defensive siege battles is nice, the intervention stacks are still dumb though. From experience, they seem to always spawn adjacent to your most weakly defended ritual site/and/or capital. And they all spawn in the same place and form a conga line, naturally. The actual Chaos armies I don't mind so much since they start from a distance and you can actually maneuver to intercept and what not, even if they're overwhelming.
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New Butt Order posted:That's only ever been a threat to the Empire and even then only if they're not player controlled. They've already said they're adjusting it to affect everyone now, chaos will be coming from all directions
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Oct 22, 2017 23:41
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I don't know why intervention armies don't spawn and behave the same way the chaos ones do.
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Intervention armies always seem to spawn on your capital. I have had the chaos armies spawn right on top of my capital as well, but also elsewhere. Interventions are always on top of my capital.
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I have no idea if it's random or set positions. I'm on my first run, did my second to last ritual, and all the Chaos stacks spawned miles away in a different part of my territory and tore a path through it because I stacked on the ritual sites. Other empire stacks spawn right beside your ritual sites though (I think).
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Oct 23, 2017 00:05
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I've had chaos spawn five turns away. I've also had them spawn on the border of the territory they want to destroy.
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Oct 23, 2017 00:06
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Perhaps it would be more interesting if intervention armies not only spawned further out, but spawned as horde armies as well so they were more self sustaining. It would be kind of interesting if some crippled intervention stack ended up persisting over time.
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I've had better luck with the intervention spawns than the chaos ones. Intervention armies seem to at least always show up next to the ritual sites, and will generally go for them unless they're being sieged already. Chaos stacks? Yeah, don't worry about it, we'll spawn those ages away from the ritual sites so you have plenty of time to prepare. How about right in the middle of your empire where they can 1-turn raze your non-target cities with zero opposition? That seems like a good spot. Have 6 of them.
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Oct 23, 2017 00:12
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Intervention armies are kind of dumb because you can basically use them to cripple factions who had a rough start as long as you are sailing a lord around to Hoover up stacks of cash. I sent a 10k intervention at skaven on their first ritual and they never recovered.
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Oct 23, 2017 00:15
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I never buy them because I feel bad for the poor souls I'm sending out to die. And it's easier to save the cash and wait to see which faction pulls ahead by the 3rd/4th ritual and dealing with their sprawling, poorly defended empire personally. The ai is perfectly capable of failing 2 or 3 attempts in a row without interference (Clan Mors).
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Oct 23, 2017 00:22
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420 economical armies every day
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Oct 23, 2017 00:25
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Man besides being better in general is Warhammer 2 also better optimised than TW1? I jumped back down to try out the Wood Elves but I can feel my system dragging with more or less the same graphics settings. It might be just the trees/shadows though, those guys' maps have a lot of trees.
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It's better for me. Also when 2 does chug due to a massive battle, I've noticed that the UI and unit portrait seem unaffected. I can zoom in smoothly on a localized slideshow or look elsewhere and my battle fps goes back up to normal. This is the first game, TW or otherwise, where poor performance hasn't caused everything to chug, just one aspect. It's a strange effect. Better, but strange.
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For Mortal Empires, will I need to have WH1 installed or do I just need to have it purchased on Steam? I've been looking to free up some room on my HD and it seems silly to keep WH1 around once it's been more or less integrated into WH2.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:For Mortal Empires, will I need to have WH1 installed or do I just need to have it purchased on Steam? I've been looking to free up some room on my HD and it seems silly to keep WH1 around once it's been more or less integrated into WH2. You just need to own the first game for ME. This should really be the thread title...
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Man I sure am glad my dark shards decided they will not target units on top of walls without direct orders. That'd be awkward, the guys climbing ladders would get to the top and there'd be no one left to kill if they just fired where they pleased, or at will if you will.
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^^^I don't think they'll shoot if guys are actively climbing as they count as on the wall and they don't want to friendly fire them. I always run my archers up ahead of the ladders for this reason.Psycho Landlord posted:Well, there weren't at first, and honestly it's probably a blessing that fantasy died before the current generation of writers could dramatically miss the point the way they are with 40K Yeah, fantasy always managed to maintain its satirical absurdist streak whereas 40K has devolved into fascist power fantasy wank material. Even the hyper edgy Dark Elves are clearly taking the piss and Chaos warriors are still heavy metal album cover fan fiction. NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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I am really looking forward to sending a gorebull charging into a mass of skavenslaves.
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Pendent posted:I want to see a wave of Skaven trying to charge a line of Ironbreakers You can do this in vanilla Warhams 2 already if you don't mind the Skaven being yours
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Death Hags - when? Why? I threw a level 12 Hag with almost pure combat skills into the fray of a scrub Chaos Rebellion force, against some Chaos Spawn and their level 1 lord plus the battered remnants of a unit of marauders. She got shredded and barely inflicted any casualties before outright dying, at which point I can only imagine her soul was obliterated by Khaine for her shameful display. How are you supposed to use these things? And is it worth throwing the Cauldron of Blood on them?
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Kestral posted:Death Hags - when? Why? With the cauldron these things seem to be kinda shockingly unbelievable shitwreckers on a level that I tend not to expect from melee heroes. They are a bit squishy though.
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Dandywalken posted:Is the Hellpit Abomination underpowered? That Melee Skill really hurts it it seems. I never recruited any but I got a lot of mileage out of the warpstone garrison ones in defensive fights vs lizardmen and ritual-spawned chaos armies where I was badly outmatched. All my melee rats would break but the enemy troops clustered up around the abomination instead of going after my ranged and spellcasting rats which let me use artillery+spells to full effect against super densely packed chaos dudes/lizards. The abomination took a long time to die and by the time it did the enemy armies were weakened enough for my rallying rats to rout them
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:^^^I don't think they'll shoot if guys are actively climbing as they count as on the wall and they don't want to friendly fire them. I always run my archers up ahead of the ladders for this reason. Nah, it's because this is a trash game for idiots. And skavenslaves on ultra unit size take up so much space on the walls that you need to rub your darkshards against them before they recognize they're in range and will target them. e: lol I rage-quit that siege three times in a row due to a succession of "WALK ME CLOSER I MUST BASH THEM WITH MY CROSSBOW" and menance from below turbo-loving keith. Eediot Jedi fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Knobb Manwich posted:Man I sure am glad my dark shards decided they will not target units on top of walls without direct orders. That'd be awkward, the guys climbing ladders would get to the top and there'd be no one left to kill if they just fired where they pleased, or at will if you will. As far as I can tell, these things seem to follow gun rules for when they fire, even though they kind of arc fire. On the other hand, I haven't had a problem getting guns or repeaters to fire up walls either.
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I've had ranged units decide they need to walk all the way up to the walls without firing when giving them a direct order, but about 90% of the time it works fine whether it's fire at will or targeted. Guard mode might help? Normally I just re-position when it happens and they start working again. The one time I did a ritual (Delf game, hard) three chaos armies spawned in the centre of my capital province and got murdered by my defending stacks. Delves are pretty nuts against chaos infantry lines. Then Tyrion sent an intervention stack the next turn and it was actually a reasonably fun fight, I was out-artilleried and out-archered and I liked having to adapt to that after ~50 turns of absolute ranged supremacy. Then I autoresolved the dregs and pressed end turn eight times. I decided not to do any more rituals after that. Is there any way to mod a skill points buff for AI only, or create a dump skill that's restricted to player? I'd like to vomit skill points at the AI in hope they'll accidentally make an effective lord. I don't mind honour systeming myself but I'd prefer not to have to manually track levels. Gitro fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 23, 2017 |
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Vargs posted:With the cauldron these things seem to be kinda shockingly unbelievable shitwreckers on a level that I tend not to expect from melee heroes. They are a bit squishy though. Okay yes the Cauldron of Blood was the answer, holy poo poo. Time to put one of these in every army.
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Kestral posted:Death Hags - when? Why? think of them as dark elf warrior priests. They're good leadership buffers and they'll blender chaff like nobody's business, but they have no defense and so you need to keep them backed up with other troops so they don't get surrounded.
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I send the Hag in with some spears or swords to back her up. The enemy attacks go into the spearline, letting her blender people safely. She becomes a chariot when she gets her Cauldron.
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Gitro posted:I've had ranged units decide they need to walk all the way up to the walls without firing when giving them a direct order, This happens with all ranged units. Mega infuriating when it happens to your artillery!
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