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# ? Oct 24, 2017 15:36 |
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 15:37 |
Cpt.Americant posted:So he's the first president ever to say god is on our side then? No one else has used those words? quote:And even if I went with the other version, I'd argue that "god told me to" is still more measured language than 9/10 statements Trump has made. Because unlike Trump, Bush went out of his way to assure Muslims we were not at war with you
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 15:56 |
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Ornedan posted:Would you like to substantiate this little smear of yours? It's simple, you see: centrists are cool and calm about this. They are the better men. Progressives, conversely, are dumb, and so goddamn crazy Centrists would never think of doing anything as childish and immature as "blowing up the coalition when they don't get everything they want," they merely "clean house" of anyone who would ever dare oppose them, like worldly-wise adults. There is a huge distinction there.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 15:58 |
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sheep-dodger posted:Don't worry, Perez has you covered. Oh yeah, a reverse cleaning of the house. Nice.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:16 |
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Goddamnit, we agree on 90% of everything. This is a turf war over personnel rather than issues. This gets back to my point about Bernie loyalty being confused for ideology. What even is centrism anymore? When I think about blowing up the coalition, I think about going on Fox News to attack your own party. I think about contributing to the platform before endorsing Jill Stein. I think about spreading lies because they make the Dems look bad. I think about kvetching for months about how you just don't know if you'll vote. These things happened. To get back to cartoons: https://twitter.com/PKuperArt/status/922830064781266944
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:19 |
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Shangri-Law School posted:When I think about blowing up the coalition, I think about going on Fox News to attack your own party. I think about contributing to the platform before endorsing Jill Stein. I think about spreading lies because they make the Dems look bad. I think about kvetching for months about how you just don't know if you'll vote. These things happened. Did all of the people who get reshuffled contribute to these things? I mean I guess pissing upstream is as good a reason as any, but it seems odd considering the number and the types of people who replaced them, right?
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:23 |
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all progressives must be purged from the party mechanism because some progressives have said they don't trust the party mechanism that hurts the party mechanism's feelings Also, ideology is meaningless!!! We agree on everything anyway!!! That's why the minority of people who disagree with me personally on that other 10% of stuff have to be fired. They had it coming because of Internet comments.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:26 |
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Sandpuppy posted:7 I'm both of the elbows on the right arm of the guy in the Tebow jersey
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:27 |
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albany academy posted:Did all of the people who get reshuffled contribute to these things? I mean I guess pissing upstream is as good a reason as any, but it seems odd considering the number and the types of people who replaced them, right? One of them definitely did (James Zogby). The rest, I don't know. But by the same token I don't know if they lost their jobs because they supported Keith Ellison. At some point, if we want to put together a winning team, we have to trust each other, or at least pretend to until after the ballots are cast. And again, the DNC is a committee that raises money and decides presidential nomination rules, not the ideological organ of every Democrat in the country.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:39 |
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DACK FAYDEN posted:(foreignpolicy dot com, where I stole that specific quote from, thinks it's bullshit... but, well, let's just say it's recent enough to be partisan.) I think it's bullshit too, but for a different reason. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/aug/10/religion-george-bush quote:President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw "Gog and Magog at work" and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer. Anyways the forpo article is bullshit too because its point is essentially "man, if only the invasion of Iraq had been perceived as legitimate" instead of, you know, "man, if only it didn't happen".
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:46 |
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It would be nice for everyone to get along with everyone in the party, sure, but purging dissenters is a pretty short term solution and if anything it exacerbates the existing problems in the long run. I'm not familiar with zogby, but if their highest crime is "voted for not Hillary" then this is a really stupid strategic move that's just going to take a lot of chips out of a lot of shoulders. Also the DNC isn't an ideological organ sure, but it contributes financially and lends credibility to those it deems worthy of public support, so I think it has more sway than what you're claiming. I mean yeah, sure, just because it dumps millions into a state level politicians campaign doesnt mean it's going to win, but they tried and that counts for something. It is, at the very least, dictating not just nomination rules but federal and state level strategy, and to suggest it's just a glorified community chest is disingenuous, because even being the sole allocator over such a resource grants some level of power over those elligible to receive it.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 16:59 |
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Cat Mattress posted:I think it's bullshit too, but for a different reason. Chirac's loving catholic.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:02 |
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quote:Mark 7:21-23 Zesty fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 24, 2017 |
# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:04 |
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Jerry Cotton posted:Chirac's loving catholic. That doesn't prove or disprove anything, Gog and Magog aren't a 'thing' in Catholiscism. That and the rapture, young earth creationism etc are pretty idiosyncratically American.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:18 |
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mediadave posted:That doesn't prove or disprove anything, Gog and Magog aren't a 'thing' in Catholiscism. That and the rapture, young earth creationism etc are pretty idiosyncratically American. They're in the bible. He could've just checked his bible.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:23 |
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Jerry Cotton posted:They're in the bible. He could've just checked his bible. The bible doesn't say poo poo about who they are or what they mean. "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,"...gee thanks. Anyway, everyone knows they're the guardian giants of the City of London https://lordmayorsshow.london/history/gog-and-magog.html
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:29 |
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I wish this dumbass food fight didn't exist, but since it does, we should really just indulge the "progressives" because giving them what they want prevents them from turning into whiny dicks, and it doesn't do any harm. The fact that they - the left - are marginally better on policy is just a bonus. I wonder, whar did the DNC members who voted for Perez gain that was worth alienating thin-skinned Bernie supporters who see persecution around every corner, and can't find the real threats to our country with a map and compass and Waze? I don't really understand what either side is bitching about, but I don't see "centrists" rending garments when somebody says "$15 minimum wage". "Centrists" are not going to sit out an election because they don't want single-payer and the candidate does. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Oct 24, 2017 |
# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:29 |
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This is just Fox News before Hannity and Tuck the Cuck come on lol
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:37 |
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mediadave posted:The bible doesn't say poo poo about who they are or what they mean. It... does? In the few paragraphs following the one you posted* it literally does tell you everything you need to know about them to be able to decipher the VERY CRYPTIC meaning of "Gog and Magog at work" i.e. that someone is picking a fight with our one true lord. (Well actually vice versa I guess.) *) You fucky contrarian piece of poo poo. 3D Megadoodoo fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 24, 2017 |
# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:37 |
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drat that CNN and MSNBC for showing all those dramas, crime shows and sexy lady shows. Not like Fox....
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:37 |
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Mellow Seas posted:I wish this dumbass food fight didn't exist, but since it does, we should really just indulge the "progressives" because giving them what they want prevents them from turning into whiny dicks, and it doesn't do any harm. The fact that they - the left - are legitimately better on policy is just a bonus. You'd be surprised; Bernie voters showed up in the GE at a higher proportion than Hillary voters did in the 2008 GE but your main point, that purging progressives from the DNC is Perez cutting off his nose to spite his face, is still correct
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 17:39 |
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1 2 3 4 5 Things sure are bad under President Hillary Clinton. 6 7 8 http://time.com/4992101/hurricane-harvey-texas-dickinson-israel/ 9
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 19:12 |
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What the gently caress?
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 19:19 |
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 19:44 |
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Oh jeez.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 19:55 |
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 19:56 |
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Apple Pie Hubbub posted:8 Wow someone get Bok a lozenge! Here let's see if I can do the same for him! From *cough**cough*1981 to 1982*cough**cough* he was staff editorial cartoonist at the Clearwater Sun in Clearwater, Florida. In *cough**cough*2017*cough**cough* a *cough**cough*teen*cough**cough* was charged with second degree murder in Clearwater Florida for killing someone during a car jacking. Clearwater Florida is home to the Clearwater Marine Aquarium where three dolphins have died. But don't let that stop Chip Bok from enjoying his mutually beneficial relationship with the local paper who *cough**cough*paid*cough**cough* him. It is also the Headquarters of the Church of Scientology. It's leader was L Ron Hubbard. Chip Bok went to the University of Dayton in *cough**cough*1974*cough**cough*, the year Ronald DeFeo killed his entire family in *cough**cough*Long Island*cough**cough*, and the year the *cough**cough*Turkish Airlines *cough**cough* flight crashed making it the deadliest plane crash in history! But don't let that stop Chip Bok's mutually beneficial relationship *cough**cough*with Dayton*cough**cough* home of the major recruiting scandal! Some guy's reaction: "Chip Bok is a friggin' wiener."
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 20:08 |
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Fuuuuuck
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 20:16 |
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sweet jesus
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 20:24 |
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 22:18 |
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Guardian: "Martin Rowson on Brexit demands – UK business leaders have urged government to establish a transition deal that mirrors existing arrangements, or risk losing British jobs and investment" Telegraph: Blue Planet II: Why Sir David will never tire of his work Independent: Brexit: Furious EU chiefs say Theresa May dinner leaks intended to 'undermine' Brussels, in unprecedented statement Times: Trump bickers with soldier's widow over condolence call Evening Standard:
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 22:23 |
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Ornedan posted:Would you like to substantiate this little smear of yours? He doesn't really have to. Just substitute every single argument that leftists used to say that the DNC isn't important and its an insult to give it when Tom Perez gave Keith Ellison the position he currently holds. The pattern is that everything leftists are given isn't important, and is the biggest insult ever, and every perceived slight is actually the most crucial thing, and also the biggest insult ever. Anything less than total and complete supplication is being blackballed. Mellow Seas posted:I wish this dumbass food fight didn't exist, but since it does, we should really just indulge the "progressives" because giving them what they want prevents them from turning into whiny dicks, and it doesn't do any harm. No it doesn't, it just leads to them declaring what they were given as worthless, and crying that its an insult that they were even given it. I point you to the 2016 party platform, which progressives have said was just lies after they were allowed to dictate it, and we ended up with one of the people who loving wrote the platform campaigning for Jill goddamn Stein. loquacius posted:You'd be surprised; Bernie voters showed up in the GE at a higher proportion than Hillary voters did in the 2008 GE No, of those that voted, they voted in a higher percentage for Hillary than the similar situation in 2008. You seem to keep forgetting the four crucial qualifying words "Of those that voted".
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 22:57 |
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Discendo Vox posted:This coverage is pretty openly poo poo-stirring. Agreed. Using the word "purge" in the headline is deliberately provocative, as is most of the article I could bear to read. Shangri-Law School posted:I like how the map-territory relation has slid so far that loyalty to Bernie Sanders IS progressivism. Yep. Bernie Sanders didn't invent left-wing economics. He had good ideas, but also plenty of flaws, and if people care about the ideas then they should find someone who'll be younger than 79 in 2020 to carry them forward.
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# ? Oct 24, 2017 23:54 |
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I love Nattering Noggins. Also every day that that's still a thing that dominates American news is a bad day.
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 00:11 |
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Political Cartoons and articles 1917-1918 https://imgur.com/a/xG3bB
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 00:54 |
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Jurgan posted:Yep. Bernie Sanders didn't invent left-wing economics. He had good ideas, but also plenty of flaws, and if people care about the ideas then they should find someone who'll be younger than 79 in 2020 to carry them forward. the field is kind of thin atm unfortunately; I'm still a big Keith proponent (since his DNC post is ceremonial and useless) but he probably won't run, and Liz might have missed her window but, as I said before, if you can only parse the current Dem factional divide as personal allegiance to one politician or another, it just kind of proves you don't understand the issue at all
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 01:29 |
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gently caress me that is incredible
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 01:31 |
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If you told me in 2008 president Donald Trump would be gettting harsh buzz from the Mother Goose and Grimm guy I would have shot myself with joy. It’s more ‘bittersweet’ now.
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 01:35 |
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Mike Peters is kind of like Darrin Bell in that he is much better at political cartoons than regular ones
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# ? Oct 25, 2017 01:37 |