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SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

HEY GAIL posted:

why not DraGoons

It's our clan title for certain history titles.

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Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify

SeanBeansShako posted:

It's our clan title for certain history titles.

Some variation of it was the title for an earlier incarnation of this thread, too. I think.

e: Here be draGoons?? Maybe.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Pontius Pilate posted:

Some variation of it was the title for an earlier incarnation of this thread, too. I think.

Yeah it was one of the titles of the 2nd or 3rd one a years back.

pthighs
Jun 21, 2013

Pillbug
Let's see ... do I want a partisan, spontoon, or partisan-spontoon?

Tevery Best
Oct 11, 2013

Hewlo Furriend
That ultimate fauchard :vince:

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

HEY GAIL posted:

they're also handy enough to use indoors

when i think about it i wonder if they're the perfect all-around weapon, if it's the 17th century

That's why everyone should have one for home defense

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

GreyjoyBastard posted:

That's why everyone should have one for home defense

Concealed carry, like Manny Calavera and his fold-up scythe

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I feel like most homes are close-quarters enough that a halberd would probably be long enough to deal with any burglar as effectively as a gun.

And without the added risk of suicide or a child accidentally using it.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

SlothfulCobra posted:

I feel like most homes are close-quarters enough that a halberd would probably be long enough to deal with any burglar as effectively as a gun.

And without the added risk of suicide or a child accidentally using it.
i think some dude in the us actually ended up halberding a burglar...

SeanBeansShako posted:

It's our clan title for certain history titles.
dragoons for the queers

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

SlothfulCobra posted:

I feel like most homes are close-quarters enough that a halberd would probably be long enough to deal with any burglar as effectively as a gun.

And without the added risk of suicide or a child accidentally using it.
there's got to be at least one halberd suicide. In history.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
someone has definitely managed to trip on a staircase / on a tricky path somewhere and through a bizarre series of events impale themselves with a halberd

Class Warcraft
Apr 27, 2006


SlothfulCobra posted:

I feel like most homes are close-quarters enough that a halberd would probably be long enough to deal with any burglar as effectively as a gun.

And without the added risk of suicide or a child accidentally using it.

When we were young I sent my brother to the hospital by stabbing him with a ski pole while we reenacted the movie Zulu. I can only imagine the chaos that would have ensued if we had access to polearms.

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Class Warcraft posted:

When we were young I sent my brother to the hospital by stabbing him with a ski pole while we reenacted the movie Zulu. I can only imagine the chaos that would have ensued if we had access to polearms.
my aunt (RIP) nearly killed my dad when they were children by hitting him in the temple with a baseball bat

this has nothing to do with your story i just thought it was funny, because the thing is that aunt was like 15 years older than my dad

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
I would enjoy a polearm based society but with 21st century America problems and polearm enforcement so people are out on the street trading extremely old and lovely polearms to do crimes with and then huck them into the bushes, meanwhile all the tactical partisan-spontoons exist only to be cherished by old men and stored in vaults and occasionally used to stab a straw dummy.

Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

I may not be a old poo poo scholar, but the halberd is God's perfect weapon.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME
i weep for this world that will not be

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I would enjoy a polearm based society but with 21st century America problems and polearm enforcement so people are out on the street trading extremely old and lovely polearms to do crimes with and then huck them into the bushes, meanwhile all the tactical partisan-spontoons exist only to be cherished by old men and stored in vaults and occasionally used to stab a straw dummy.

The prospect of drive-by voulgings is chilling.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Alas that real life does not have the spin2win.

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird
"Böhmischer Orhlöffel" - the Bohemian Earspoon? That's an actual thing? I thought it was just a gag name. What is it and how was it used? Just stabbing dudes but like a boar spear?

Also the Fauchards look like something out of Dynasty Warriors.

Are all these variations just bored weaponsmiths going "I wonder if I can make these polearms weirder, and if that would make them extra killy?"

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

I don't know the details of how each shape would be used, but more like people figuring out how to do different poo poo with them while fighting and then changing the shape of the weapon to be better at that. Hooking a guy off a horse, for example, or getting a sharp blade behind an opponents knee or some other joint. Basically the same way any tool changes shape over time as it becomes specialized for different tasks.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Rockopolis posted:

"Böhmischer Orhlöffel" - the Bohemian Earspoon? That's an actual thing? I thought it was just a gag name. What is it and how was it used? Just stabbing dudes but like a boar spear?

Also the Fauchards look like something out of Dynasty Warriors.

Are all these variations just bored weaponsmiths going "I wonder if I can make these polearms weirder, and if that would make them extra killy?"

Holy poo poo I actually know enough German to recognize that and I didn't...

gently caress it I'm totally taking weapon specialization (bohemian earspoon) on my next character.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
I don't know much about real halberds but I know that enough halberdiers will gently caress up anything bigger than an orc in Total War Warhammer so by virtue of my favorite faction using tons of them I say they were amazing weapons that deserve more respect. No swordsman has ever managed to bag himself a giant, after all.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.
what if the giant had, in turn, an even larger halberd

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
At least some of those looks like lockpicks stuck on a 10 11 feet pole.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Jobbo_Fett posted:

The superstition book actually covers this too! There were plenty of men who didn't believe in any charm, totem, or luck. That's why you have bombers with crews like this one




"Smith even painted an open ladder above the crew hatch so they would have to walk under it as they climbed on board, and painted over the parachute escape hatch on the belly of the plane, but these details were later removed."

Were they trying to create a underflow error and set themselves to 255 luck?

Rockopolis
Dec 21, 2012

I MAKE FUN OF QUEER STORYGAMES BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO WITH MY LIFE THAN MAKE OTHER PEOPLE CRY

I can't understand these kinds of games, and not getting it bugs me almost as much as me being weird

The Lone Badger posted:

Were they trying to create a underflow error and set themselves to 255 luck?
Nah, that's too high. I mean, at the time Colossus used 6-bit registers, so that'd be 63 luck at most.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Pro-tip: anyone with a hot take about Europe becoming islamic within the next 100 years are grossly manipulating data, drinking brake fluid, or both.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Islamic Brexit would be so much worse than Sorta-Christianity-Informed Brexit we have now.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.

If not, about when did it die out? I'm guessing WW2?

How effective are/were anti-tank guns when pressed into this role? Did they, like, make HE shells for 88mm guns for use in taking down a building when there weren't any T-34s around?

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

JcDent posted:

At least some of those looks like lockpicks stuck on a 10 11 feet pole.

The key to unlocking a man's heart.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

gradenko_2000 posted:

Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.

If not, about when did it die out? I'm guessing WW2?

How effective are/were anti-tank guns when pressed into this role? Did they, like, make HE shells for 88mm guns for use in taking down a building when there weren't any T-34s around?

I don't think they're a thing anymore, unless they happen to be in AVRE's or something. Currently, a infantry squad had man portable stuff like LAWs, RPGs and Carl Gustavs, as well as under-barrel grenade launchers to take care of MG nests and other stuff that you needed a stubby StuG for. And when you need something bigger removed, you get an MBT to roll in and deliver some of that 120mm goodness. And if that doesn't work/you're stuck in some shithole that doesn't have tank access, artillery and air strikes exist.

Although I think I've read something about ridiculously reinforced buildings in Fallujah that would have been taken down more easily with some infantry gun, maybe.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

HEY GAIL posted:

i think some dude in the us actually ended up halberding a burglar...

dragoons for the queers

It was a spear, sry.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

someone has definitely managed to trip on a staircase / on a tricky path somewhere and through a bizarre series of events impale themselves with a halberd

I recall actually reading something about a British sergeant mortally wounding himself by tripping and falling on his own spontoon in my mini Nap Wars library.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Milo and POTUS posted:

The key to unlocking a man's heart.

Something something Hey Gal works the Pole something


There’s a pun here I can’t find it though.

Hey Gal! Your guys ever fight the Polish?

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

gradenko_2000 posted:

Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.

If not, about when did it die out? I'm guessing WW2?

How effective are/were anti-tank guns when pressed into this role? Did they, like, make HE shells for 88mm guns for use in taking down a building when there weren't any T-34s around?

The Flak 18 and its derivatives were AA guns first, so they came with an HE round. The issue is that it was loving massive, and regimental artillery typically gets very close to the target before it fires and must be wheeled around the battlefield by hand. A ZIS-3 would work in this role, a heavy Flak gun not so much.

Clarence
May 3, 2012

13th KRRC War Diary, 27/28th Oct 1917 posted:

Working parties as usual. 1st Lt Fisher was wounded while in charge of the working party.

Ignore these posts until 17th November unless minor housekeeping actions are your thing...

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.

gradenko_2000 posted:

Are "infantry guns" still a thing? I'm referring to a gun that you use in a direct-fire role that wasn't designed to be an anti-tank gun.
Post-WW2, crew serviced recoilless rifles seem to have ended up taking over this role for pretty much everyone. They were generally designed for the anti-tank role, but were also used pretty extensively for direct-fire support. The US designed the M20 as an anti-tank gun in WW2 but by Korea found it wasn't effective against the T-34. It still turned out to be extremely useful against pillboxes, lighter armored vehicles, dug in infantry - basically the sorts of targets you describe. The M40 was used in similar ways in Vietnam.

As you get to Vietnam and later, I agree with JcDent. The role kind of got squeezed out at both ends over time. At the higher end, radio directed artillery, self-propelled guns, infantry mortars, and air strikes were quicker to bring to bear and more readily available. At the low end, RPGs and other infantry portable rocket launchers, grenade launchers, and shoulder fired recoilless rifles the M18, M67*, and today the Carl Gustaf, became both lighter, more powerful, and more widely issued.

The experience in Afghanistan and Iraq suggests that there may be a niche for an updated weapon more like the old M20 - it'd be a lot more powerful than the M20 considering how much they get out of the Carl Gustaf, but a two- to three-crew bipod or tripod mounted weapon in the same weight range (~100lbs/47kg).

*The M67 is a little weird because it was designed to be operated like the M20, as a mounted crew serviced weapon, but it weighs less than the M18 which was designed for shoulder firing. In practical terms it was used more like the M18 and Carl Gustaf.

Comrade Gorbash fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 27, 2017

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
i saw this and felt like it would be pretty relevant to this thread's interests:

https://twitter.com/PadraigBelton/status/923826743198314498

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Tias
May 25, 2008

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it's beautiful.. I feel like I could click 'about' and it would be named Hegel.jpg :allears:

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