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I mean Ossoff's terrible rear end made it a point to not give a loving inch to the left and folks still raged out over the left not enthusiastically aligning behind him in that race.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Seriously, I've spent the vast majority of the past year working various positions in the DOI and you're out of your loving mind if you think there's no difference between Democratic and Republican administrations There is a difference, but who cares? Neither party is willing to help those most in need, or to help in any appreciable way. Oh man, Trump banned trans people from the military, which isn't great and only serves to further stigmatize trans people. Meanwhile the vast majority of trans people struggle to find adequate medical care in the states and are subject to discrimination in any state with at-will employment. Until the democrats have the balls to put people before Capitalism, rather than the other way around, their support for minority rights is ultimately shallow. Infrastructure doesn't get funded without tax increases, campaign finance reform doesn't come without disempowering the wealthy. The Democrats do some good things, which is great, but a shocking amount of them seem to be just republicans who have rich gay/black friends, and at that point why even bother?
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Oct 27, 2017 01:21
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NewForumSoftware posted:Democrats aren't the same as Republicans. They are worse And you justify this statement how, exactly?
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Oct 27, 2017 01:25
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unwantedplatypus posted:There is a difference, but who cares? Using your own freaking example I'm pretty sure that all the Trans servicepeople at risk of losing their careers care just a little bit.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:25
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean it was Kilroy and Rask, mostly, as it's just so frustrating to see someone like Fancy who's putting in a ton of work on the ground get poo poo on. I mean, look, I get it-the Democratic Party is an absolute trash fire in a lot of ways, and I can understand the concerns-and if this was a primary, then by all means, let the Dems have it. But this isn't a primary, it's a general, and the choice between the parties right now could not be more stark. I've got a friend in Puerto Rico who doesn't have power. I'm doing work for agencies that are dying under budget cuts and hiring freeze. The idea that people are still arguing that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans is just absolutely baffling, and the continued ideological obstinance by some-not all, certainly not all-to is utterly frustrating as all hell. FWIW, I voted straight ticket Dem in 2016, and will probably do so for the midterm elections. I'm just pissed off that I'm only voting for somebody because they don't treat me quite as shittily as the alternative. I've also been doing research and voting in primaries for more leftist candidates
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https://theintercept.com/2017/10/26/minneapolis-city-council-socialist-ginger-jentzen/ I’m going to repost the story about the socialist woman attempting to oust centrist Democrats in a deep blue area for local government and mostly succeeding because it’s kind of a Big Deal.
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The dems are too busy trying to win over conservatives to make any concessions to leftists or even liberals so I don't know why you're worried about our votes so hard. Hey, maybe if they go pro-life you can win over enough republicans to get some more power and make things incrementally better like you so desperately want. Well, women's rights are down but hey at least we got the other problems sorted out! Ya'll are moving buckets around on a sinking ship. Maybe you should get on the drat lifeboats
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Using your own freaking example I'm pretty sure that all the Trans servicepeople at risk of losing their careers care just a little bit. A fraction of trans people sure, and it's only as big of a deal because the military is the only public jobs program the US is allowed by either party Edit: It's not a good thing but it's compounded and worsened by several issues the Dems wouldn't be any better on unwantedplatypus fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Neurolimal posted:If it makes you feel better, C-spam crossposters ITT are quite likely active on the local stage. They also had a major DSA recruitment drive and encourage donations towards left candidates. It does. And I love DSA. They’re on the street doing the needful. Their tail light fixing campaign is the most simple and brilliant thing I’ve seen in years. Signed up for my local chapter, and hope to get out there with them once the elections end and I become a real boy for a few months. 
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Oct 27, 2017 01:28
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unwantedplatypus posted:Why should I vote for a Democrat who's almost as happy as Republicans to let my medical bills kill me? Which party just voted to remove regulations that let people file class action suits against banks? Which party unanimously voted against it? Jesus Christ, everyone here bitches and moans about people "both sides"-ing antifa but apparently doing it to the Dems is Cool and Good?
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Falstaff posted:And you justify this statement how, exactly? Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking.
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axeil posted:Which party just voted to remove regulations that let people file class action suits against banks? Aren't you that sociopathic Wallstreet guy
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axeil posted:Which party just voted to remove regulations that let people file class action suits against banks? Democrats hate banks so much they happily accept donations from them
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NewForumSoftware posted:Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking. 
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NewForumSoftware posted:Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking. I just... ...I just can't.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:34
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Absolutely gently caress the DNC and the powerful members of the democratic party who gently caress things up from the top, but take a serious look at each candidate before writing them off. Most of them probably aren't Lieberman tier shitheels, and as such would be tremendously helpful in at least bringing us back to deadlock politics rather than the current trip to hell we're going through.
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axeil posted:Which party just voted to remove regulations that let people file class action suits against banks?
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Remember when the historical event of a person of color being elected to the highest office of the United States just turned out to be more money on the already-brimming coffers of the ultra wealthy? And then the keys of the surveillance state were handed to an orange rapist piss goblin and his army of armed incel mutants? Good times
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NewForumSoftware posted:Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking. Okay this is just loving dumb
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Fiveace Attorney posted:The dems are too busy trying to win over conservatives to make any concessions to leftists or even liberals so I don't know why you're worried about our votes so hard. Hey, maybe if they go pro-life you can win over enough republicans to get some more power and make things incrementally better like you so desperately want. Well, women's rights are down but hey at least we got the other problems sorted out! You keep bringing up concessions. And both establishment and far-left are doing the same thing. “Why should we compromise? They’re the ones who aren’t doing anything!” And you’re both correct. So what are you going to do?
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Like I hate to break it to you but the Democrats are moving the country to the right too. And quite frankly, they are the party with the responsibility to move us left, not the Republicans. Look at what is happening in California, Democrats actively preventing single payer from happening
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NewForumSoftware posted:Like I hate to break it to you but the Democrats are moving the country to the right too. And quite frankly, they are the party with the responsibility to move us left, not the Republicans. Look at what is happening in California, Democrats actively preventing single payer from happening Wasn’t that a terrible bill designed to fail in the first place? So you want a party to move the country to the left. What are you doing to further those aims?
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Oct 27, 2017 01:42
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NewForumSoftware posted:Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking. Except they absolutely are. Every conservative think tank, PAC, and donor group is dedicated primarily to destroying left ideas in both the political realm and the public discourse, and using the Republican party as a vehicle to do it. It's true that the Dems have been moving toward the Republicans since (arguably) 1968, but the thing is the Republicans have also been moving rightward during that time. Dems being not as bad may or may not be enough to get you to vote for them. That's up to each individual voter to decide. And yes, sometimes the Dems are in a position to do more damage than the Republicans in a shorter amount of time (Clinton's welfare reform) thanks to the Republicans being differently constrained. But the idea that, on the whole, the Dems are worse than the Republicans is really just kind of dumb.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:You keep bringing up concessions. And both establishment and far-left are doing the same thing. “Why should we compromise? They’re the ones who aren’t doing anything!” (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Wasnt that a terrible bill designed to fail in the first place? Not really? It was fine for what it was, and it was possible to amend it further if there were any minor problems. You are right that the point of it was to bring it to a vote to see which democrats are problematic (a smart move on the new democrats' end, who had effectively ousted former party officials), but it was still very much a chance for universal healthcare in the most solid of blue states.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Wasn’t that a terrible bill designed to fail in the first place? It is real fun and cool how the party not moving left is somehow the constituents' fault and not the idiots in charge.
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Oct 27, 2017 01:51
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Fiveace Attorney posted:Hey the other side is the one that needs my vote and wont get it. Fuckhead neolibs better change or they'll get left behind. They already are and if people die due to their pathetic platform thats on them and not people who wont swallow their poo poo I just really hope you live in either a very deep red or blue state.
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NewForumSoftware posted:Because the Republicans aren't restraining the left from having any influence in policymaking. Yes, that is certainly a way you can put it. Yep.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Look, the left is putting up some solid candidates in the lower levels, and it's awesome, because they're getting into the mix. They're gonna replace Centrist Retread #7 over time - not overnight. You're really cool and I'm sorry the basement crew are being dicks to you. The opinion of someone who actually acts on their ideals will always outweigh those of people who just post about them on the internet. Good luck in VA, and thanks for holding the line.
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Except the Democrats AREN'T moving to the right, and in fact ARE moving to the left. The 2016 platform was the farthest left it's been in decades.
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Fiveace Attorney posted:Hey the other side is the one that needs my vote and wont get it. Fuckhead neolibs better change or they'll get left behind. They already are and if people die due to their pathetic platform thats on them and not people who wont swallow their poo poo How will this attitude achieve your desires?
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7c Nickel posted:Except the Democrats AREN'T moving to the right, and in fact ARE moving to the left. The 2016 platform was the farthest left it's been in decades. Party platforms don't mean much when the party's candidates, particularly their nominee for the presidency, don't run on them. e: To be clear, I do acknowledge that there has been some leftward movement between mid-2016 and now, but one has to look at these things in context. The last 30-odd years of Democratic Party politics have had a pretty rightward bent, particularly in terms of economic justice, workers' rights, etc. Majorian fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Fiveace Attorney posted:Hey the other side is the one that needs my vote and wont get it. Fuckhead neolibs better change or they'll get left behind. They already are and if people die due to their pathetic platform thats on them and not people who wont swallow their poo poo lol you're just getting angrier and angrier as your platitudes fail
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Majorian posted:Party platforms don't mean much when the party's candidates, particularly their nominee for the presidency, don't run on them. I'm like 99% sure I've seen you make the exact opposite of this argument when someone tried to claim it was the candidates themselves who are getting more progressive. You're I'd say... ten, fifteen years tops from just voting straight R. Nothing tangible seems to matter to you, you just want to feel personally catered to. The Rs will make you very comfortable.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:How will this attitude achieve your desires? Why are leftists - and only leftists - expected to compromise? Why is the responsibility solely on them, when they've been swallowing this centrist dogshit for the last three decades because they were told they had to if they wanted to win? Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:You're really cool and I'm sorry the basement crew are being dicks to you. The opinion of someone who actually acts on their ideals will always outweigh those of people who just post about them on the internet. Good luck in VA, and thanks for holding the line. Thank you friend. That’s really my only thing - go out and do poo poo. When we go out and do poo poo, good things happen in the long run. When we go out and do GOOD poo poo, people come around and keep the fight going. Neurolimal posted:Not really? It was fine for what it was, and it was possible to amend it further if there were any minor problems. You are right that the point of it was to bring it to a vote to see which democrats are problematic (a smart move on the new democrats' end, who had effectively ousted former party officials), but it was still very much a chance for universal healthcare in the most solid of blue states. I’ll admit I don’t know California politics as well as I could. I’d heard it from a few angles. Putting up MfA/UHC candidates in the House for the wave is gonna be a major step toward getting there. State by state is good as well, but tending our local gardens will be a great step forward.
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The past year of having Trump as President has done more for leftism than Obama's entire administration.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Everyone's expected to compromise and frequently does. You just don't notice because when the right-wing world makes progress you poo poo your diapers about how it's not good enough and anything short of full communism now is worthless and gently caress anyone for even trying. Like, the Catholic Church is one of the sources of quite a bit of horrific right-wing policy over the millennia, and recently they elected a guy who, grading on the scale of popes, is quite a compromise indeed. But all your type does is rage about him. People who have farther to go will take longer to travel, and intermediate steps don't always look like much. You're basically doing the political equivalent of crowing that there's no evolutionary "missing link." Every time someone shows you one you sneer that it's just a monkey, checkmate libs.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:You're basically doing the political equivalent of crowing that there's no evolutionary "missing link." Every time someone shows you one you sneer that it's just a monkey, checkmate libs. This is such a great analogy that I hope you don't mind when I inevitably steal it one day.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This is such a great analogy that I hope you don't mind when I inevitably steal it one day. I'm flattered 
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