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Lemming posted:You mixed up two black women in a post where you denied mixing up black women, lmfao I know; right?  The lack of personal invective in the post to which I replied should've been a tipoff.
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just as someone who is like not active here very much, its not exactly easy to keep track of posters races, genders, etc. maybe you all have some history where you know all this stuff about each other but you're all just avs to me. i expect its that way for a lot of people
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Oct 27, 2017 05:31
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Like, the Catholic Church is one of the sources of quite a bit of horrific right-wing policy over the millennia, and recently they elected a guy who, grading on the scale of popes, is quite a compromise indeed. But all your type does is rage about him.
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Oct 27, 2017 05:35
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Zas posted:just as someone who is like not active here very much, its not exactly easy to keep track of posters races, genders, etc. Yeah, everyone has the same name, avatar, and mod status as well, so it's understandably very difficult to tell two separate people apart.
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Oct 27, 2017 05:35
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Lemming posted:Yeah, everyone has the same name, avatar, and mod status as well, so it's understandably very difficult to tell two separate people apart. right well, all that stuff is like visible you know? whereas gender and race isn't. but i understand some of you post here a lot i guess and are more familiar with people's personal lives
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Oct 27, 2017 05:36
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Willa Rogers posted:Actually, Slashie, Majorian has moved decidedly left during his years on D&D. I'd say you're way further on the scale to becoming a Republican (stanning for pols who covet war criminals' endorsements; ignoring the real effects on women of neoliberalism) than he is.  I hope Bernie brings this up when he arrives in Puerto Rico. Really am thinking that he will do alot better then speaking at Women's March Forum, and I do wish them all the best, but people are suffering in Puerto Rico and they need as amny people as possible to help shine a light on their predicament.
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Oct 27, 2017 05:39
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Zas posted:everyone i know on the left seems really to dig the new pope, even people who trash the church endlessly. all the poo poo i hear about him is from right wing catholics and like eastern orthodox lol i mean, i doubt the new pope is completely perfect, but as for religious people go, he's actually p good and pushes jesus' message of helping the less fortunate quite hard
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My only problem with Francis is he wont demand we do as commonly happened in the middle ages, that money lenders houses be thrown open and their poo poo redistributed to the community.
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Crowsbeak posted:My only problem with Francis is he wont demand we do as commonly happened in the middle ages, that money lenders houses be thrown open and their poo poo redistributed to the community. uhhh while times have changed the literal interpretation of this would be francis ordering a pogrom
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Crowsbeak posted:My only problem with Francis is he wont demand we do as commonly happened in the middle ages, that money lenders houses be thrown open and their poo poo redistributed to the community. I blame Propaganda Due.  \/\/\/hey thanks, I'll bet you're pretty awesome too!  \/\/\/
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Majorian posted:Hey, judgmental shithead? I work for a charity that gives free eye surgeries and vision care to underserved people, both here in the U.S. and worldwide, and most of the people we serve are not white. I just came back from Peru, where I assisted in a free clinic for two weeks. One of the people I work most frequently with is a doctor in Namibia who was literally a refugee from apartheid. Don't go making assumptions about people you don't know. Just wanted to say this is awesome and you’re awesome.
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Oct 27, 2017 05:49
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Lightning Knight posted:https://theintercept.com/2017/10/26/minneapolis-city-council-socialist-ginger-jentzen/ I live in Marcy Holmes. There is much more to this story then you and Zaid Jalani know. No one is going to "oust" anyone in this race, the city counsel member is currently Jacob Frey and he is running for mayor. The race is between Steve Fletcher and Ginger Jentzen. Only one of them was endorsed by the DFL, Our Revolution, Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar (It wasn't Ginger). So why do you consider Steve Fletcher to be a centrist Democrat? Do you consider everyone else who is endorsed by Our Revolution to be a centrist Democrat? What about Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar, are they centrist Democrats now?
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Zas posted:everyone i know on the left seems really to dig the new pope, even people who trash the church endlessly. all the poo poo i hear about him is from right wing catholics and like eastern orthodox lol That's great to hear. I'm not catholic and not a fan of the church's policy on, well, anything, but I try to judge people in the context they live in and Francis is producing at least some progress in a role that usually doesn't produce any. And he's paving the way for even more liberal popes down the line.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:uhhh while times have changed the literal interpretation of this would be francis ordering a pogrom Welll... About half the time it wasn't a pogrom. Read Boccacio, there were plenty of gentile moneylenders, and they did fear an angry priest rousing the crowds to have their poo poo redistributed. Oh and Majorian, you are awesome.
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karthun posted:I live in Marcy Holmes. There is much more to this story then you and Zaid Jalani know. No one is going to "oust" anyone in this race, the city counsel member is currently Jacob Frey and he is running for mayor. The race is between Steve Fletcher and Ginger Jentzen. Only one of them was endorsed by the DFL, Our Revolution, Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar (It wasn't Ginger). So why do you consider Steve Fletcher to be a centrist Democrat? Do you consider everyone else who is endorsed by Our Revolution to be a centrist Democrat? What about Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar, are they centrist Democrats now? My choice of wording was poor, and I apologize. I mean more so, I think that if leftists want to try and push the entire system to the left, the way to do that is running far left candidates in deep blue districts that are under no pressure of flipping R, and forcing the Democratic Party to respond to that pressure. So this woman running on her platform against the Democratic candidate is a good thing in my opinion, even if she loses and the guy has to shift left in response. Broadly speaking, I think we should be doing what she's doing more often to people who are often worse than the guy she's running against. But no, I wouldn't characterize any of those people as centrist. I just think shifting the Overton window is cool and good. 
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean it was Kilroy and Rask, mostly, as it's just so frustrating to see someone like Fancy who's putting in a ton of work on the ground get poo poo on. I mean, look, I get it-the Democratic Party is an absolute trash fire in a lot of ways, and I can understand the concerns-and if this was a primary, then by all means, let the Dems have it. But this isn't a primary, it's a general, and the choice between the parties right now could not be more stark. I've got a friend in Puerto Rico who doesn't have power. I'm doing work for agencies that are dying under budget cuts and hiring freeze. The idea that people are still arguing that the Dems are just as bad as the Republicans is just absolutely baffling, and the continued ideological obstinance by some-not all, certainly not all-to is utterly frustrating as all hell. Like I have no doubt that a Democratic Congress and Presidency would be turning the screws on Puerto Rico as the GOP are - they'd just be doing it with a smile. They're right there equating Nazis with Antifa - in fact in that regard it seems the GOP mostly just lets liberals do their work for them. You've got to have 70% approval for anything to get them to go along, unless it's a thing that Capital wants in which case they're for it no matter how much the public hates it. To hell with them. We're not taking over the Democratic party because we think liberals align with leftists on a thing or two - we're taking over the Democratic party because liberals are weak and incompetent enough to lose control of their party to a bunch of leftists. They're not our allies, but the quickest path to victory lies through their ideological corpse.
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Noticed this quote in my passport:quote:The cause of freedom is not the cause of a race or a sect, a party or a class-it is the cause of human kind, the very birthright of humanity. -Anna Julia Cooper No one tell the administration.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Aren’t you expecting centrists to compromise? Consider their perspective - they look at their two most left-wing candidates of the last fifty years (McGovern & Mondale) got utterly crushed. The things we fantasized happening to Trump actually happened to liberals in living memory. Like even in the aftermath of Trump winning and the progressive faction and the establishment somehow agreeing on a compromise candidate for the DNC chair, the putative party leader had to go ahead and make it clear that compromise with the left doesn't loving happen in the Democratic party. Perez was pushed into the position just to prove a point, and we have delegates who voted for him on record owning up to this fact. gently caress the Democratic party.
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Zas posted:everyone i know on the left seems really to dig the new pope, even people who trash the church endlessly. all the poo poo i hear about him is from right wing catholics and like eastern orthodox lol Yeah everyone is well aware that Francis is a callous vindictive lovely person by normal human standards, in other words literally one of the best human beings the papacy has ever had. So leftists are pretty jazzed at this colossal change for the better, it's all the traditionalists who are furious that he isn't the scum of the earth child-rapist protector that is usually chosen for the job.
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"Someone has to stop being proud because all-or-nothing is going to destroy this country" *purges progressives from the DNC* Take a minute and read your posts back to yourself, out loud.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:#1 question I’ve gotten is on statues haha this is amazing but unsurprising i guess
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Your Boy Fancy posted:COOL VIRGINIAN DELEGATE CANDIDATES: Done. Thanks for this great post and all the work you're doing in Virginia.
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Lemming posted:Yeah, everyone has the same name, avatar, and mod status as well, so it's understandably very difficult to tell two separate people apart. the guy with a generic name without an avatar complains about people not having an encyclopedic knowledge of SA's Who's Who
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steinrokkan posted:the guy with a generic name without an avatar complains about people not having an encyclopedic knowledge of SA's Who's Who lemming used to have an avatar before the elections. also, i remember him so his name's not all that generic also, if dems don't use repubs passing tax reform that raises taxes on the middle class for reasoning on why it's perfectly fine to raise taxes on the rich, they're worthless Condiv fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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RuanGacho posted:I hope this isn't too heavy handed for everyone, but I lack the ability to articulate how I generally agree with the sentiment with my own words. I post here because the forum has done me a service of challenging what I accepted to be true without qualification in the past, I hope to pay it forward. This was a good read.
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Kilroy posted:Cool. If it's so loving important the centrist faction can take one for the team this time, then. Your Boy Fancy posted:All-or-Nothing is going to destroy this country for a century or more. Fiveace Attorney fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Keep in mind that for all the grumbling coming from the left, the young people and the progressives voted in lockstep with the broader party, more so than is usual, and still they get accused of sowing dissent whenever they try to have some say, even informally. Neither did anybody from the left try to ratfuck centrist dignitaries out of positions of power when progressive candidates lost races against them, they just kept asking for cooperation and fair treatment. If the party can't stand to accept any input from a growing faction of its supporters, and hides behind the idea of unity, what message is it sending? What are people supposed to make of the fact that even though they do their duty towards the party and follow all the protocol, they are still treated as outsiders and mischief makers? steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Oh Snapple! posted:I mean Ossoff's terrible rear end made it a point to not give a loving inch to the left and folks still raged out over the left not enthusiastically aligning behind him in that race. Ossoff is a neocon dipshit. Him winning that race wasn't about ushering in a socialist utopia, it was about giving a black eye to Trump. It was pure politics. He was running a race to attract center-right, white voters in a wealthy suburban district in Georgia. I mean, gratz on representative, Karen loving Handel, I guess? The left really showed the Democrats there, boy howdy. You know, I see people hand-wringing an awful lot ITT about working-class republicans voting against their economic interest. When I see poo poo about leftists not turning out to vote for centrist democrats for ~reasons~, I always wonder if these two opinions are held by the same person.
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The lesson of Ossoff should be that trying to get center right white voters is a bad strategy (especially when you dump tons and tons of money to do it) that has repeatedly failed for years instead of blaming the leftists again. Even if it was the leftists staying home, maybe the other lesson should be to try and appeal to them instead of complaining they cost us every election despite apparently not being important enough to engage with outside of bitter scorn. It's becoming very clear people don't care about giving a black eye to Trump regardless of how unpopular he is so tailoring elections around that is going to continue being a losing strategy. Is there any actual data on leftists not voting against Trumpian candidates? It seems to me that people who really hate Trump for leftists reason are motivated to vote since they understand the game theory and the real people being lost are less politically involved types that are disillusioned with our political parties because their lives continue to get worse. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Radish posted:The lesson of Ossoff should be that we must never falter in our quest to consolidate federal data centers
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Zas posted:just as someone who is like not active here very much, its not exactly easy to keep track of posters races, genders, etc. For those of us who browse via phone, most of you aren't even avatars. I generally don't look at the poster, just the post.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:For those of us who browse via phone, most of you aren't even avatars. I generally don't look at the poster, just the post. You get used to it, I don't even see the code, all I see is blonde, brunette, redhead...
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Kilroy posted:We're not arguing that the Dems are just as bad we're arguing that the Democratic leadership hasn't got the votes, the ideas, or the balls to defeat the Republicans, and that priority one should be turning the Democratic party into an actual opposition party that actually loving opposes what the GOP stands for instead of just wanting to phase it in a little more slowly and be slightly more congenial about it as they're doing it. With this attitude and this rhetoric, I’ll be amazed if you take over that shack in Malheur. Like, you’re going in circles here. You don’t pressure the Dems into changing by fighting for better candidates, and you’d rather let Republicans win due to your obviously incorrect insistence that both parties are the same. And so when things get worse, and people invite you to make them better, you tell them to gently caress off because it’s not YOUR version of better. And yet these centrists that you’re railing against, none of whom are in this thread or running for Office this fall, are doing a single thing you’ve said they do. Again, this whole thing kicked off over participating in Virginia state politics, and you’re over here railing on Capital and still discouraging participation in the process. What are you doing to further your goals? Who are you fighting to elect? Or are you just humming “Waiting on the World to Change” while other people fight to make sure their friends don’t die? See, NOW I’m being condescending. To you, specifically. Kilroy posted:"Someone has to stop being proud because all-or-nothing is going to destroy this country" *purges progressives from the DNC* As soon as you read the bit where I’m from Labor, not the Democrats, I suppose. I can’t control what the DNC does. I come from the wing of the left that vets candidates for their stances on working class issues. And if they align, we stump for them. LuAnn Bennett not only didn’t align, but Skyped into her COPE committee meeting. That’s a great way to get a no-endorsement. And surprise! She lost. You’re too busy fighting articles online that you’re cussing out real people. That’s insane. Your Boy Fancy fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:What's the matter, don't want to live in the cultural Mecca that is Reston? A coworker of mine moved to Reston on the theory that all the technology companies there means that his kids will be going to school with tech workers kids, and therefore be guaranteed a good stem education pretty hosed up imho
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karthun posted:I live in Marcy Holmes. There is much more to this story then you and Zaid Jalani know. No one is going to "oust" anyone in this race, the city counsel member is currently Jacob Frey and he is running for mayor. The race is between Steve Fletcher and Ginger Jentzen. Only one of them was endorsed by the DFL, Our Revolution, Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar (It wasn't Ginger). So why do you consider Steve Fletcher to be a centrist Democrat? Do you consider everyone else who is endorsed by Our Revolution to be a centrist Democrat? What about Keith Ellison and Ilhan Omar, are they centrist Democrats now? Yes of course they are centrists If you’re not anti-capitalist, you’re not leftist
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Yes of course they are centrists And since the DSA isn’t trying to tear the system down in one shot, are they centrists?
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Your Boy Fancy posted:With this attitude and this rhetoric, I’ll be amazed if you take over that shack in Malheur.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:And since the DSA isn’t trying to tear the system down in one shot, are they centrists? No? They’re openly anti-capitalist even if they acknowledge that implementing an anti-capitalist program in October 27, 2017 isn’t going to happen
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Willa Rogers posted:Actually, Slashie, Majorian has moved decidedly left during his years on D&D. I'd say you're way further on the scale to becoming a Republican (stanning for pols who covet war criminals' endorsements; ignoring the real effects on women of neoliberalism) than he is. This is glorious
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Chilichimp posted:Ossoff is a neocon dipshit. Him winning that race wasn't about ushering in a socialist utopia, it was about giving a black eye to Trump. It was pure politics. He was running a race to attract center-right, white voters in a wealthy suburban district in Georgia. How the gently caress do you acknowledge that Ossoff was a candidate propped up entirely to try to see if they could win by just being republican lite, thus showing that democrats don't need the left to win, and still blame the left when he loses? His entire existence was meant to show that leftists aren't needed and that they need to shut up and fall in line, and you somehow believe that its the voters who should be blamed, and not the establishment that clearly put party politics above ACTUALLY WINNING THE loving ELECTIONS. sirtommygunn fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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