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darealkooky posted:the actual problem with this boss is that its one of the few that isn't scripted as gently caress, which leads me to believe that whoever was making the bosses in this game just sucked at their job in general but was really good at making it seem like they don't via flashy phase changes/interactive cutscenes that operate under invisible timers.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:22
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Is it just me, or does the black cube blob thing inside hacking space look kind of like a shade?
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Penultimatum posted:Is it just me, or does the black cube blob thing inside hacking space look kind of like a shade? Nah it was too boxy to be a shade.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:25
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Know Such Peace posted:I agree. Hegel is a particularly bad fight, but most boss fights in Automata are not that great either. I still quite enjoyed Beauvoir and the Adam fights the rest were more spectacle or damage sponges than interactive, but ehh
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Oct 28, 2017 22:28
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Know Such Peace posted:Hegel feels incredibly undercooked after the perfectly-executed introduction to Route C. The developers probably should have scrapped the fight entirely. At best, he should have been an optional boss like those three bullshit bosses from the Dark Souls 2 DLC. They could have improved it dramatically just by making hegel take friendly fire.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:37
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Disregarding the terrible boss fight for a moment, I think A2's quick romp in the hackerspace might suggest that 2B was actually an E-type android. Was she dispatched to keep an eye on 9S?
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Oct 28, 2017 23:00
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Aumanor posted:Was she dispatched to keep an eye on 9S? And stop him from loving up any more flight units?
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Aumanor posted:Disregarding the terrible boss fight for a moment, I think A2's quick romp in the hackerspace might suggest that 2B was actually an E-type android. Was she dispatched to keep an eye on 9S? Yeah that tiny bit of text raised a hell of a lot of questions, that was probably the most significant part of the update for me.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:18
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ultrafilter posted:That does raise an interesting question, though. A2's been down on earth for a while, hates machines, and is at least occasionally operating near the machine village. How does it still exist? If you try and visit the village as A2, she actually does say something. I'm surprised TDI didn't show it off.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:43
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^ He probably will in another update. Is that song during the hacking bit 'sang' by Emi Evans (i.e. Devola)? I wonder if it'll be relevant. I mean, I doubt it, but still.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:50
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Oct 29, 2017 00:09
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I told you 2B was [REDACTED], and now you can see that she really is [REDACTED]. And I refuse to believe otherwise with such irrefutable proof.
I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Oct 29, 2017 00:42
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Dabir posted:I've not really seen anyone trying to make an excuse for Hegel, but the theory behind introducing b-mode here is that A2 doesn't know what's good for her. Pod gives good advice, while following A2's first instinct will probably get you killed. That is more or less what I was trying (poorly) to talk about earlier That the tutorial part of the fight and how it seems designed around making b-mode useless are sometimes interpreted as being on purpose rather than a (un)happy accident
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Oct 29, 2017 02:23
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I'm really enjoying this lP and by extension game It's really art .
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Oct 29, 2017 02:24
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I have not played this game yet. However, I wish to find the people who designed this boss fight and ask them "Exactly how many drugs did you folks take before designing and then approving this boss fight? And where can I get them?". Because Hegel just looks absolutely not fun to fight against on any difficulty, and especially on higher difficulties where enemies can OHKO you if the player coughs at the wrong moment. On the other hand, A2's child murder streak continues, so at least that side of Yoko Taro is chugging along nicely.
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Oct 29, 2017 02:41
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Huh. I didnt realize both 2b and A2 had moles in the exact same spot.
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Oct 29, 2017 02:54
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Stephen9001 posted:I told you 2B was [REDACTED], and now you can see that she really is [REDACTED]. And I refuse to believe otherwise with such irrefutable proof. [DATA EXPUNGED]
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Synthbuttrange posted:Huh. Neither did I. Maybe she literally is an early version of 2B's model.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:03
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Or they come from a big bulk order of android faces
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Oct 29, 2017 03:07
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Tim Buckley oversaw the face department.
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I'm kind of enjoying Doesn't Give A poo poo About The Plot Bot as a breather after the opening to Route C, I have to say.
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Hegel's shtick is that he's named after Georg Friedrich Hegel, which if memory serves claims that morality lies in the community. Hence a bunch of Boku-shi (Mozi) and So-shi (Zhuangzi) orbs binned together. Moreover, the EMP attack segment is a reference to Hegel's theory of history, wherein the thesis and antthesis combine to a synthesis. That is to say, when Hegel hits you with the EMP, he forces a synthesis of both the machine and android data, including between A2 and 2B. About the story components that other guy was going on about, Hegel is extremely difficult to beat without pod help, even at level 99 (on very hard, at least). You're best off railing on Hegel from long range, then spending the rest of your energy trying to dodge the Hegel orbs, perhaps in one of the ruins that blocks Hegel's pathing. However, if you inject shittons of offensive heal chips, you can break the boss "design" and just B-mode your way through Hegel's attacks. That's in the design, too; you're given a choice between A2 and 042's strategy, and you can hybridize them as well (long-range fire during initial phases, B-Mode+chips when Hegel comes down to rock). Lastly, Hegel is notoriously difficult to read; I got most of this stuff off instruction and the Plato philosophy encyclopedia. Killing Hegel is moderately easier than reading Hegel. There's a reason he's named that.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:32
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Yeah, more or less. Like, maybe 76% if you squint. Probably 83% if you count in the doomsday weapons that reacted to YoRHa surveys with a death laser. No biggie.
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Oct 29, 2017 04:02
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It's awesome that Sartre is a villainous side quest dude when his philosophy permeates the entire story so far . Imho
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Oct 29, 2017 04:05
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Mokinokaro posted:Neither did I. Maybe she literally is an early version of 2B's model. Alpha, Beta?
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B is Battler while A is Attacker. A2 was part of some YoRHa prototype squad that went to Hawaii with Anemone, bad things happened apparently. Literally the first time we meet Anemone. The Dark Id posted:
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AirborneNinja posted:B is Battler while A is Attacker. A2 was part of some YoRHa prototype squad that went to Hawaii with Anemone, bad things happened apparently. i know that things can mean more then one thing
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Glazius posted:Is Earth just 75% abandoned doomsday weapons by mass at this point? And every single last one of them has a tragic backstory where they long only to be hugged or something.
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megane posted:And every single last one of them has a tragic backstory where they long only to be hugged or something. it turns out most fictitious universes end up this way after they've been allowed to run for a decade or so the star wars universe is more world-destroying threats by volume than it is Original Jedi Do Not Steals at this point
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euphronius posted:It's awesome that Sartre is a villainous side quest dude when his philosophy permeates the entire story so far . Sartre isn't villainous, he's just an rear end in a top hat. Who probably died in the desert.
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megane posted:And every single last one of them has a tragic backstory where they long only to be hugged or something. It's only called Nier: Automata because Nier: My God, Won't Anybody Give That Poor Robot a Hug was too long to fit on the promo materials.
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Wonderslug posted:It's only called Nier: Automata because Nier: My God, Won't Anybody Give That Poor Robot a Hug was too long to fit on the promo materials. Well, to be fair, not all the robots live lives of utter misery. For example, hikikomori-bot seems perfectly happy with his life. And... um... maybe someone else is happy too?
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I mean, I suppose Jean Paul is probably happy. He's a jerk that we don't like, but he was pretty content with himself last we saw.Absum posted:I don't remember getting that tutorial.... I thought it was just some random lore lol. Unfortunately, much as I enjoy watching their games, considering the unspoken mechanics in Bayonetta, MG: Revengeance, and Wonderful 101, a bit of random lore is possibly a step in the right direction for Platinum, as far as at least informing some part of your brain that something exists. The Dark Id posted:why this boss fight it complete shite. Fourth one should be "spheres" and last one just seemed like you didn't need the word "assignment".
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megane posted:And every single last one of them has a tragic backstory where they long only to be hugged or something. You can't hug your children with doomsday weapons.  : you can and you should
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I ran head-first into the B mode trap when I encountered Hegel for the first time. I'm the one who got trolled.  Next attempt I actually pulled out Wire and during ground phase got lucky enough to only get attacked by orbs I had on screen, so I actually had fun! I thought the fight was hectic in a good way, with a novel concept. Oooooooooh boy, what a cliff of bullshit I sailed around purely due to dumb luck
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Oct 29, 2017 15:11
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Hegel isn't that bad. Remember M-Shield?
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Just caught up with the thread from like mid-Route B.  Ryas posted:Hegel isn't that bad. *just about every says a thing is bad listing a number of reasons why* "ACTUALLY  "
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