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Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search.
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. For a while now. I think urban was the exception not the rule.
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. We definitely have been. The East is just too "easy" (as in, everyone except one team is usually utter poo poo). You can quite easily get to 8/9 wins if you schedule the right cupcake/OOC games. We need someone who can push through that 10 win barrier, and take on Alabama.
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Mike_V posted:I guess Barry Odom's seat is a little safer, if only because Mizzou isn't as good a job as Tennessee or Florida and a couple other schools that'll be looking to hire. He's fortunate that his final month looks a lot easier.
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EvilHawk posted:We definitely have been. The East is just too "easy" (as in, everyone except one team is usually utter poo poo). You can quite easily get to 8/9 wins if you schedule the right cupcake/OOC games. We need someone who can push through that 10 win barrier, and take on Alabama. Think about this. Jones beat both UF and UGA last year, but didn't win the SEC East. How in the hell is that possible?
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. What, no. Tennessee/Nebraska's problem is that their recruiting sucks. Florida still has a crap ton of talent. If they could coach up a QB, we wouldnt be having this conversation.
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. Not really, most of their advantages are money and being one of three power-5 Florida schools. They don't rely too much on name recognition outside of their regional footprint or memories of past success. What would reduce their ceiling is if every directional Florida school got added to a power-5 conference and diluted the recruiting advantages.
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. - Florida fans after experiencing a mere 7 years of mediocre football This could've been said about Alabama just before Saban. Now life might be trickier if Georgia really wakes up, or if Richt can bring back Miami's glory days. Florida's still the best job open this cycle, and is still a place where you can win national championships.
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nate fisher posted:Think about this. Jones beat both UF and UGA last year, but didn't win the SEC East. How in the hell is that possible? I think you have your answer
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What, no. Tennessee/Nebraska's problem is that their recruiting sucks. Florida still has a crap ton of talent. If they could coach up a QB, we wouldnt be having this conversation. Butch Jones had back-to-back top-5 recruiting classes his first two years. Recruiting fell off for a couple years after that because he got creative and ended up with enormous classes, so didn't have the scholarships or playing time to offer . Tennessee has a top-10 recruiting class for 2018, even with a few players dropping off either out of fears that Butch isn't a good coach or because he won't be there next year. Dooley was a bad recruiter. Butch is just a lovely game-time coach. There are also concerns that Butch and his staff aren't that good at developing talent. The program is still in better shape now than when he got there, but everyone's come to terms with the fact that Butch isn't a good enough coach to make that push back to being a national power.
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lol i swear to god you idiots still think charlie strong is a good football coach what is wrong with yall please god florida hire him so you can get 3 more years of abject misery also could i interest you in a lightly used tim beck
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What, no. Tennessee/Nebraska's problem is that their recruiting sucks. I take it you haven't been following recruiting? Outside of Dooley Tennessee has never had a real issue with recruiting. Yes they have to steal players from states like Georgia, North/South Carolina, and etc. That said going by class rankings Jones should be coaching a top 10 team right now.
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sec schools: florida: wants to be a national power, completely irrelevant before the 90's A&M: wants to be a national power, historically average to slightly above average Tennessee: wants to be a national power, only program to have the history Auburn: wants to be a national power, historically lol LSU: wants to be a national power, completely irrelevant before the 2000's
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CANT ALL BE WINNERS FOLKS
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Tennessee’s staff has been complete poo poo at developing talent during Jones’ tenure and I’ve talked about it for years. It’s a huge issue. Tennessee has the biggest recruiting budget iirc In the country, and in-state talent has been improving over the last decade, especially in the middle Tennessee area. Recruiting ain’t the problem.
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EvilHawk posted:Apparently it's only $4m Where's that from?
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Scionix posted:sec schools: Scionix posted:CANT ALL BE WINNERS FOLKS True but I don't see the logic in pretending for example that LSU shouldn't be expected to be a power because of history that doesn't apply to present day facts. They are steadily top 5 in NFL talent and have no in-state competition, what do game results from leather helmet generals running the wishbone have to do with LSU's 2017 reasonable expectations for their program?
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Scionix posted:LSU: wants to be a national power, completely irrelevant before the 2000's they have the 12th most wins of any FBS program
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yall realize you're taking scionix seriously, right
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DJExile posted:yall realize you're taking scionix seriously, right
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Another list with some different names https://twitter.com/brucefeldmancfb/status/924783093315022848
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EvilHawk posted:Apparently it's only $4m That seems real low, I would assume it's 6m at worst.
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GobiasIndustries posted:That seems real low, I would assume it's 6m at worst. https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/924774386107846656 Jimmy Sexton doesn't wanna anger Florida since he's also Dan Mullen's agent. Also $3MM of that is going to Colorado State ($1.5MM from Florida, $1.5MM from McElwain personally), so McElwain is only seeing about a million bucks.
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drat Jim McElwain was the god drat gift that keeps on giving for Colorado State. CSU made out like bandits.
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superbelch posted:Any other Gators getting the feeling that we have been slipping down into Tennessee/Nebraska territory of former powerhouses that now have an 8-9 win ceiling? I am not excited about this coaching search. No, this is dumb. Tennessee relied on national recruiting and feasting on Georgia and SC while UGA/SC/Clemson were all down in the 90s. That's no longer the case. Nebraska feasted on a homegrown training program and super-deep walk-on program to stack their lines and basically snagged skill guys from around the country (Frazier was from Florida, Rozier from New Jersey, Phillips from CA, etc.). UF has incredible built-in recruiting advantages that neither of these schools have. I don't think that just anyone can win at UF - but I'm not sure that's true anywhere. Saban would've dominated as much at UF, LSU (if he'd stayed), USC, UGA, Florida State, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State or Miami as he has at Bama - Bama isn't some supernatural wonderland, it's the product of Saban's incredible process and whatnot. The reality is that UF fans want a functional football team that's entertaining to watch and looks like it's being coached by someone who knows what they're doing. I don't expect our next coach to be Saban - that's insanely loving stupid. I just want to enjoy Florida football again.
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anything but more of this https://twitter.com/zach_barnett/status/924789201111052289
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Godzilla07 posted:https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/924774386107846656  holy poo poo he cost himself so much money
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The case for Scott Frost: Prior to his hire UCF had gone 0-12 and was in disarray in the final year of Coach O’Leary’s tenure. In fact it was so bad that O’Leary quit in the middle of the season (WTF!). The football team was successfully sued in court over the death of Erick Plancher, only getting out of a $10 Million award due to the Florida Supreme Court overturning the award. The entire Athletic Department was in shambles due to the booster scandal paying for players on both the men’s basketball and football teams. It was a mess and easily one of the lower tiers of jobs open that year. UCF lacks the recruiting advantages of FSU or UF or even Miami. AT BEST they’re the fourth and frequently the fifth team in the state in terms of desirability for in state recruits. A 5* athlete won’t state they’re a Knight for life, a coaching staff will have to find the overlooked gems and hit more often then they miss in order to have any kind of success. You can’t even play off down years at any of the big three schools because they recruits are just as likely to go out of state instead of going to the fifth best school in the state. The students are frequently fans of other teams first and UCF second. This year is an abnormally good year, one that UCF seems like they can hit once or twice a decade. They’re going to sneak in the lower half of the top 25 poll, go to a major bowl and possibly win. The HEIGHT of UCF football was the Fiesta Bowl win over Baylor in 2013, in the final year of the Big East’s automatic bowl bid. They’ve only ver sniffed at the Top 25 a few times, the first in 2010. As a result unless Frost’s dream is to stay in Orlando, and build a legacy there with all the challenges the job brings, he should take a job elsewhere because his star is never going to be higher. The case against Scott Frost: He’s been a HC for all of two seasons, while he has his own players playing the core of his team is still O’Leary holdovers. We don’t really know how good his recruits will pan out and if he can sustain continued recruiting success. If you’re not at FSU / UF / UM you’re going to face a ton of challenges. UCF is still a commuter school with fans and the city not behind the school the way Gainesville or Tallahassee are behind those schools. The game day experience is VERY GOOD from absolutely abysmal it was prior to the on campus stadium, but its not like Doak Campbell or Ben Hill Griffin. In many ways UCF is much like Miami was in the early 80s but any coach will have to be successful in walling off the region from everyone else and that’s not going to happen in 2017. UCF competes in the sixth best conference, and while they’re amongst the best of that conference and easily better then a lower end Big12 school, expansion isn’t going to happen anytime soon and FL realistically will have a hard time fitting 5 Major schools in the state. Do you want to win the American every other year and hope for a NYE Bowl game or whatever, or go 7-5 in a P5 conference and end up at a mid-December Bowl? UCF can’t compete financially and the facilities budget it pretty much tapped out. The school’s football facilities are easily amongst the best in the nation, but what was best in class in 2015 is going to look ho hum in 2025 and ragged as gently caress in 2035. The school is losing its President in 2018, who knows how the leadership of the next person is going to play out and what they’re going to prioritize. Is athletics going to continue be a focus item for a school with the highest enrollment? One with six decades of STEM focus? One that was almost called University of Florida - Orlando (UFO) with an alien mascot? (Not going to lie, I really want the UFO Aliens 2014 Fiesta Bowl champs) One whose BEST coach was a disgraced Norte Dame castoff accused of lying on his resume?
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nate fisher posted:I take it you haven't been following recruiting? Outside of Dooley Tennessee has never had a real issue with recruiting. Yes they have to steal players from states like Georgia, North/South Carolina, and etc. That said going by class rankings Jones should be coaching a top 10 team right now. This is what I was implying. All the good Tenn players are on the other side of the state, which is closer to the SEC west schools than Knoxville. And then you got Georgia, Florida, etc poaching the eastern side of the state. e: Tennessee hasn't won poo poo since the 60's outside of a few years when Fulmer was beating up on some down Bama and Georgia teams Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:This is what I was implying. All the good Tenn players are on the other side of the state, which is closer to the SEC west schools than Knoxville. And then you got Georgia, Florida, etc poaching the eastern side of the state. Fulmer also used to recruit Ohio well iirc.
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