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Nothing in Mummy was balanced, not even the balance morality scheme. "Transmedia" should be a red flag for anything involving RPG's. I think it's up there with the x decades of play personal campaign setting pitches in terms of how far their head is up their rear end. Waffleman_ posted:We're not leaning on brand recognition! *Only makes games using the old World of Darkness games that everyone knows and not the current Chronicles of Darkness games that they're trying to sell right now* They don't actually get any money outside of licensing for those to my knowledge. I could be wrong but last I heard Onyx Path is still just licensing everything outside of Scion and maybe Exalted.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They don't actually get any money outside of licensing for those to my knowledge. I could be wrong but last I heard Onyx Path is still just licensing everything outside of Scion and maybe Exalted. Onyx Path owns Scion and Trinity Continuum outright. Exalted, nWoD, and oWoD stuff they've done is licensed.
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I think the main factor is that the current head of WW doesn't give a poo poo about CofD because he is exactly the 90s goth that the oWoD thrived on.
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Oct 30, 2017 02:32
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The recent System Mastery review of Werewolf just reminded me of how immensely dated it feels. Yes, environmental issues are "topical", but how we think about that kind of thing has changed immensely in the last 20 years, and Werewolf's take on it was pretty embarrassing to begin with, between the Whitest Shamans U Know and broad ethnic stereotypes called, with zero irony, "tribes".
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rumble in the bunghole posted:I think people recognise and like old vampire more but does anyone like the other old lines more than the new? Hunters being normalish humans rather than Proto-exalted guys with some magic benefactor, Changelings as survivors of evil fae realms instead of weird hippies, poo poo like that seems way stronger. Maybe Old Mage is more popular, but either line is impossible to gamify properly. Lots of people like old Mage and Werewolf more than new, and if it counts Wraith has tons more fans than Geist. No one outside of hardcore oWoD partisans likes old Changeling or Hunter more than the new versions though. They certainly exist, however. I also know some people who like them, but acknowledge that the CofD games are better. Pope Guilty posted:Yeah, Paradox gives zero shits about NWoD and is probably happy to just cash the licensing checks as an added bonus on top of getting to own the OWoD. I question how much it was just Paradox wanting to own VtM and to a lesser degree WtA and MtA for video games? Seems like they view allowing Ericsson to stink up his own fiefdom as a loss leader Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Oct 30, 2017 02:46
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Alien Rope Burn posted:The recent System Mastery review of Werewolf just reminded me of how immensely dated it feels. Yes, environmental issues are "topical", but how we think about that kind of thing has changed immensely in the last 20 years,and Werewolf's take on it was pretty embarrassing to begin with, between the Whitest Shamans U Know and broad ethnic stereotypes called, with zero irony, "tribes". If anything, Pentex was not evil enough.
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Oct 30, 2017 02:51
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Don't take a Child of Gaia kinfolk's name in vain.
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What is New Werewolf, anyway? Being part of a bunch of gangbangers?
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Oct 30, 2017 02:59
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reading other board game forums is a real trip since it's a reminder how people view rule fixes and house rules as good things rather than bandaids on bad game design (or worse, attempts to fix something that wasn't broken due to user error/ignorance). it's so weird.
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Zoro posted:What is New Werewolf, anyway? Being part of a bunch of gangbangers? Yeah, Forsaken is about gang warfare and life on the streets. People like Apocalypse because it's supposed to go the route every other White Wolf game goes that it's not supposed to, horror X-Men. It also has a lot of mechanics for building competent combat teams and min maxing characters.
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Oct 30, 2017 03:07
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Zoro posted:What is New Werewolf, anyway? Being part of a bunch of gangbangers? Being wardens of the spiritual world, mostly. The environmental / anti-corporate angle is largely gone, with the big threat being the majority group of NPC werewolves who have decided to serve spirits instead of police them.
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NWoD is garbage and OWoD is the one people who play video games want.
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I'd play oWoD, but I've never owned a Hot Topic gift card so I think I'm woefully under-qualified.
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mango sentinel posted:NWoD is garbage and OWoD is the one people who play video games want. Hot take from 2004 Waffleman_ posted:I'd play oWoD, but I've never owned a Hot Topic gift card so I think I'm woefully under-qualified. On the other hand, hot take from like 2015
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Countblanc posted:reading other board game forums is a real trip since it's a reminder how people view rule fixes and house rules as good things rather than bandaids on bad game design (or worse, attempts to fix something that wasn't broken due to user error/ignorance). it's so weird. The Gaming Den is sorta the only one that tries to have a somewhat critical look at RPGs, but the community is so tied up in "fixing" 3.5/d20 some 17 years later and Frank Trollman's weird interpretation of PBTA that they never talk about anything interesting
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Lightning Lord posted:Hot take from 2004 They are both correct
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It's fine if you like your grandpa games, just try to cool down that elder ahroun rage.
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Both game lines are Fine™, and also kind of Garbage™, but each in different ways.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:Yeah, Forsaken is about gang warfare and life on the streets. Holy poo poo, you finally made me realize why I had a love/hate relationship with Apocalpyse! It's horror X-Men. I'm an X-men junkie! No wonder I liked its lore from afar! Alien Rope Burn posted:Being wardens of the spiritual world, mostly. The environmental / anti-corporate angle is largely gone, with the big threat being the majority group of NPC werewolves who have decided to serve spirits instead of police them. Anyway, so it's a mix of gang warfare, streetlife done in the metaphor of "protecting your Waffleman_ posted:I'd play oWoD, but I've never owned a Hot Topic gift card so I think I'm woefully under-qualified. I've only ever played WoD once and I felt the sting from that. God drat. Anyway, how was the Timewatch RPG? poo poo or good?
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gradenko_2000 posted:The Gaming Den is sorta the only one that tries to have a somewhat critical look at RPGs, but the community is so tied up in "fixing" 3.5/d20 some 17 years later and Frank Trollman's weird interpretation of PBTA that they never talk about anything interesting How the gently caress is that place still going?
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Evil Mastermind posted:How the gently caress is that place still going? Frank Trollman comes from a school of design where rules "protect" from a bad GM so you need a lot of rules defining everything to weaken a GM. Mix this with a narcissist belief in "one true way" and you got a recipe for NEVER getting PBTA.
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Wraith justifies the oWoD's existence even if everything else is of questionable value at best
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Wraith justifies the oWoD's existence even if everything else is of questionable value at best I like a whole lot about old Demon too.
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Zoro posted:Anyway, so it's a mix of gang warfare, streetlife done in the metaphor of "protecting your The fact that the main bad guys are far more analogous to Apocalypse werewolves than the PC werewolves tend to be was probably not the most subtle of statements. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Wraith justifies the oWoD's existence even if everything else is of questionable value at best Wraith is a beautiful game that has very little concept of how it's actually supposed to be played. But that's kind of a problem with a lot of great '90s games, like Unknown Armies.
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Zoro posted:Frank Trollman comes from a school of design where rules "protect" from a bad GM so you need a lot of rules defining everything to weaken a GM. Mix this with a narcissist belief in "one true way" and you got a recipe for NEVER getting PBTA. Believe me, I know ALL about Trollman. But I'm just shocked that anyone posts there anymore. I thought everyone either knew Trollman didn't know poo poo about game design, or just forgot he existed. And I do not want to hear about Trollman's misunderstanding of PbtA. e: oh dammit I just remembered, it was that "infinite bears" thing.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Believe me, I know ALL about Trollman. It's largely powered by hateorade. Like, they get that 5e sucks, so they rail against it, and then they also rail on Pathfinder, but then they also rail(ed) on 4e.
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City of Mist just came out. The new PbtA game. It's 513 pages long. W-what!? N-nani!?
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's largely powered by hateorade. Like, they get that 5e sucks, so they rail against it, and then they also rail on Pathfinder, but then they also rail(ed) on 4e.
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Is there a Promethean remake being made in the 200 year anniversary of Frankenstein
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Evil Mastermind posted:It's just the fact that they're still doing it that boggles my mind. Look at US politics. Hateorade is more addictive than Opiods.
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mango sentinel posted:oWoD is garbage and NWoD is the one people who play video games want. Fixed.
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Zoro posted:City of Mist just came out. The new PbtA game. If I remember correctly, City of Mist is more freeform in terms of characters, as in you don't have playbooks, but instead have a "normal" chargen system.
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Plutonis posted:Is there a Promethean remake being made in the 200 year anniversary of Frankenstein Promethean 2e came out last year. As CofD stuff goes it’s pretty good.
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Simian_Prime posted:Promethean 2e came out last year. As CofD stuff goes it’s pretty good. hope you love some loving random word as proper nouns though, cause they laid it on real thick with that one (still haven't gotten to play it though, because the one thing that 2e could not fix was getting anyone to actually run the dang game)
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My big thing with Forsaken is that the conlang sounds awful and awkward compared to other games' and this is compounded by its comprising 50% of the text.
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Brother Entropy posted:hope you love some loving random word as proper nouns though, cause they laid it on real thick with that one Well yeah, thus the caveat “As CofD stuff goes...” I get annoyed with WW’s Special Volcab Lexicons too. I really think the lines as a whole need someone to come in and slaughter all their sacred cows, but I doubt that will happen. Your choices now are “play the game stuck in the 90’s” (nuWW) or “play the game stuck in the aughts” (OP/CofD)
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mango sentinel posted:NWoD is garbage and OWoD is the one people who play video games want. If we're talking about people who only play video games and might remember Bloodlines, I doubt they know or give any shits about the technical differences between Masqurade and Requiem. Definitely not enough to be beating down Paradox's doors and demanding they get every specific detail about the antediluvians correct. Also nWoD is generally better than oWoD until you step into one of its gaping sinkholes. And funny enough, those sinkholes often seem to draw the most influence from oWoD's setting or rules.
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