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Deltasquid posted:As an erudite man on the facebook comments section of de morgen said: "De linkse maskers vallen af , net nu Theo asiel wilt verlenen aan een buitenlandse leider die moet vrezen voor zijn leven , schreeuwen de linkse hippies en roze mutsen dat asiel geven geen opportuniteit is . Maar wel janken als Theo illegalen wilt deporteren en parken wilt opkuisen . Linkse hippies zijn de fascisten van deze eeuw ." The "roze mutsen" is a reference to the pussy hats they had at the women's march in Washington DC I take it? Maybe we should deport the guy, if he's that obsessed with the politics of a foreign state 
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Shouldn't the title be Iberian Divorthe Protheedingth? Or does northern Castilian have the s sound in certain places?
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icantfindaname posted:Shouldn't the title be Iberian Divorthe Protheedingth? Or does northern Castilian have the s sound in certain places? When there's an S, mostly. Iberian Divorthe protheedings would be how I'd personally pronounce it.
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lollontee posted:The Spanish government would never do anything that stupis. yeah. a former fascist police and military force would never think to resort to violent means to assert regional control...ever https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAL_(paramilitary_group) Yeah never. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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Herman Merman posted:Because EU at the moment does not have a governing mechanism that both fairly and equally represents all EU citizens, and has sufficient popular support in all the member states. Any of the current member states splitting up is going to mean a tough renegotiation of a lot of fundamental EU treaties. This is completely incorrect though. No changes in the Treaties are necessary to accomodate new member states. However, the EU is bound by the TEU to "respect the essential functions Member States, including ensuring the territorial integrity of the Member State". It's therefore not going to help split up any of the member states.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:This is completely incorrect though. No changes in the Treaties are necessary to accomodate new member states. However, the EU is bound by the TEU to "respect the essential functions Member States, including ensuring the territorial integrity of the Member State". It's therefore not going to help split up any of the member states. In any case it requires unanimous consent from all European member states that the new entity is allowed to become a member, which doesn't seem likely at all, given that there are a multitude of reasons why they don't like the idea of nation states crumbling.
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50 states of Europa
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LeoMarr posted:50 states of Europa Given that we don't currently have rockets powerful enough for a return trip, I'm sure nobody would mind.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Anyone remember a few years ago when the DS-K affair (not the alleged rape but the other stuff that came after, like his mistresses and orgies) was big news and people were writing about how French political culture just tolerated this stuff because "ze French?" Because lol at what's going on the UK right now. At least the French stuff was generally confined to older men sleeping with younger attractive women who aren't their wives.
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So, after declaring independence the Catalan leadership fled to Brussels and is not conceding that the 21st December election is going to take place and they will participate. Why declare independence if you are not going to follow through on it anyway?
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So Puigdemont won't ask for asylum, but he (and seven of his ministers) won't return either. What happens if Spain asks for Puigdemont to be extradited?
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beer_war posted:So Puigdemont won't ask for asylum, but he (and seven of his ministers) won't return either. Who knows? Maybe then they'll actually ask for asylum. PM Michel won't give a statement in parliament until next week Thursday, because he feels that letting this fester and giving Francken more time to run his mouth is good for Belgium and Europe.
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Can you even demand asylum from an EU member state in another EU member state? I thought there was some sort of joint administration of the system.
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nimby posted:Who knows? Maybe then they'll actually ask for asylum. PM Michel won't give a statement in parliament until next week Thursday, because he feels that letting this fester and giving Francken more time to run his mouth is good for Belgium and Europe. Europe will surely implode if Belgium only kowtows to the PP 98% instead of 100%
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Puigdemont has just declared that he's not asking for asylum nor fleeing Spain. He has also declared that he's not coming back to Spain until he has "(unspecified) guarantees" that he'll receive a fair trial. 
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CottonWolf posted:Can you even demand asylum from an EU member state in another EU member state? I thought there was some sort of joint administration of the system. Normally you can't, but Belgium is apparently an exception to that rule. beer_war posted:So Puigdemont won't ask for asylum, but he (and seven of his ministers) won't return either. The Spanish public prosecutor will likely file a European Arrest Warrant, which has to be considered by the Belgian judicial authorities and the execution of which will likely be contested in court. Belgian courts already have form in refusing to extradite a number of ETA members to Spain , in one case because their confession was coerced by violence (in the early 80s), in another more recent case because the court decided that the ETA member, accused of assassinating a Spanish soldier, faced the risk of torture or at least infringement of her human rights if she was handed to the Spanish authorities. All these people were defended by the same lawyer, who is the one Puigdemont has now also hired. So this show isn't over yet by a long shot.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:This is completely incorrect though. No changes in the Treaties are necessary to accomodate new member states. However, the EU is bound by the TEU to "respect the essential functions Member States, including ensuring the territorial integrity of the Member State". It's therefore not going to help split up any of the member states. Also France and Germany, the two most powerful EU states, have some separatist movements within them that they don't want to encourage. Catalonia will never be part of the EU.
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The Spanish government closed the website for the president of Catalonia (https://president.cat) so he reopened it under a new domain name, it's now https://president.exili.eu (heh) I read somewhere that, in his latest speech, he encouraged separatists to be "creative" to defend the republic, he sure is leading by example
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Grapplejack posted:Also France and Germany, the two most powerful EU states, have some separatist movements within them that they don't want to encourage. Catalonia will never be part of the EU. Bavarian independence is a complete pipedream and not at all comparable with Catalunya. Merkel is most certainly not afraid of the Bayernpartei.
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poty posted:The Spanish government closed the website for the president of Catalonia (https://president.cat) so he reopened it under a new domain name, it's now https://president.exili.eu (heh)
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Holland has a new government. I already hate Dijkhoff, that kind of neoliberal-with-a-human-face common sense-ist, who I can easily see succeeding Rutte as the next prime minister.
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Dickoff is a promising name.
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Fat Samurai posted:Puigdemont has just declared that he's not asking for asylum nor fleeing Spain. Maybe he should go to that embassy with the wikileaks guy, also for the rest of his life.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Anyone remember a few years ago when the DS-K affair (not the alleged rape but the other stuff that came after, like his mistresses and orgies) was big news and people were writing about how French political culture just tolerated this stuff because "ze French?" British political culture has always tolerated that sort of thing as long as no one finds out about it? The supposedly unique thing about France is that nobody cares much even if they are found out.
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feedmegin posted:British political culture has always tolerated that sort of thing as long as no one finds out about it? The supposedly unique thing about France is that nobody cares much even if they are found out. French politicians are likely just as awful though. I wonder how bad Dutch politicians are in that regard;other than our former prime minister Ruud Lubbers I can't really recall any scandal involving sexual harrassment in our national politics here. Perhaps our politicians are entirely too low-status for them to think they can get away with behaviour like that. Or as a smaller country it would be harder for a politician to misbehave and then rise to the top, because everybody is going to know. Or perhaps it all gets swept under the rug here too.
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Smaller countries are probably worse in sweeping things under the rug. Politics always gets uglier the lower the stakes.
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Spanish courts going after the Catalan regional government hard:quote:Spain’s state prosecutor has asked a judge to issue a European arrest warrant for the deposed Catalan president Carles Puigdemont and four of his former regional ministers after they failed to return from Belgium to testify in court.
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Junqueras is going to jail:El País posted:A Spanish High Court (Audiencia Nacional) judge ordered former deputy Catalan premier Oriol Junqueras and seven other officials to be held in pre-trial detention, after questioning them over their role in the illegal bid to secede from Spain.
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feedmegin posted:British political culture has always tolerated that sort of thing as long as no one finds out about it? The supposedly unique thing about France is that nobody cares much even if they are found out. Considering that Britain is home of the Nazi Orgy, maybe they don't have all that much room to judge.
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Arrest warrant for Puigdemont. I'd say molon labe, but we will just let the Belgian administration do its thing and Puigdemont will die of old age before anything comes of it.
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Phlegmish posted:Arrest warrant for Puigdemont. I'd say molon labe, but we will just let the Belgian administration do its thing and Puigdemont will die of old age before anything comes of it. Of course, the last time Belgians revolted against the Spanish, the lands of Belgium stayed in Spanish hands.
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Phlegmish posted:Arrest warrant for Puigdemont. I'd say molon labe, but we will just let the Belgian administration do its thing and Puigdemont will die of old age before anything comes of it. We'll just write a law requiring Puigdemont to not die until his situation is resolved, just like we did with the Bende van Nijvel investigation. 30 years since their attacks and we're finally making progress!
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LeoMarr posted:yeah. a former fascist police and military force would never think to resort to violent means to assert regional control...ever Not a good example. GAL guys were immediately declared rogue after being discovered and then prosecuted by the State. Pretty much all of them ended up in prison. There are far better examples for what you're trying to do here. Unfortunately, none of them in the last 40 years (Democratic Spain). The only exception are the idiots who tried a coup in 1981, but they were viewed as crazy extremists even by the right-wing parties. Super86 fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:other than our former prime minister Ruud Lubbers I can't really recall any scandal involving sexual harrassment in our national politics here. Did he lube anyone rudely?
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Cat Mattress posted:Did he lube anyone rudely? I don't know about that. I do know that after his reign as prime minister, we had 8 years of Kok.
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Cat Mattress posted:Did he lube anyone rudely? Just garden variety sexual intimidation while he was UN High Commissioner for Refugees, where he was eventually forced to resign. You would have expected the scandal to come from his succesor though, our Prime Minister Kok. ed: I should have said that he rubbed someone lewdly.
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nimby posted:We'll just write a law requiring Puigdemont to not die until his situation is resolved, just like we did with the Bende van Nijvel investigation. 30 years since their attacks and we're finally making progress! will you stop it?! You can't rush good policework. God the impatience of people these days. 
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Of course, the last time Belgians revolted against the Spanish, the lands of Belgium stayed in Spanish hands. Spain just has to wait till they get a leader to inbred to live. Then it will become the Austrian's problem.
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So what's happening in Catalonia? Is everyone really pissed at the government-in-exile or just baffled and starting to try to forget it ever happened?
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Inescapable Duck posted:So what's happening in Catalonia? Is everyone really pissed at the government-in-exile or just baffled and starting to try to forget it ever happened? Nah, most people is outraged for the judge's decision of jailing on remand the members of the catalan government, because how they dare jailing someone for defending their ideals??? Facing the consequences of your own acts is absurd, the fact that they knew very well what they were doing is inconsequential, clearly the work of a fascist, repressive estate. The usual.
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