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A lovely Reporter posted:Absolutely that, but in particular not telling people to stop hoping and caring. Being happy when things happen that hurt bad people. Appreciating and advocating for engagement and caring about things. That's part of the problem. A lovely Reporter posted:Putin is the same type of person as them. Him being foreign doesn't mean he matters less. Of course the American people doing the same garbage, who are deeply embedded in both parties, are equally responsible and culpable. But they've normalized themselves, and get excused for things by those in power. But by attacking what Putin's doing, it could potentially lead to attacking what they're doing as well. A lovely Reporter posted:This is what I'm talking about. The rest of you are having good and constructive and well-meaning reactions,
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A lovely Reporter posted:Putin is the same type of person as them. Him being foreign doesn't mean he matters less. Of course the American people doing the same garbage, who are deeply embedded in both parties, are equally responsible and culpable. But they've normalized themselves, and get excused for things by those in power. But by attacking what Putin's doing, it could potentially lead to attacking what they're doing as well. Neither of them excuse the other, and opposing what happened with Putin and Trump could be the key to getting people to understand it's not okay when we do it either, and lead to them opposing the equivalent power structures at home. Anything Putin is "doing" could be conflated more accurately with what global capitalism is doing, and more accurately. Hate the game, not the players and you begin to understand why thinking that some random unaccountable government bureaucrat can't solve modern civilization's central premise.
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A lovely Reporter posted:I'm not talking about some amazing end-all be-all solution. I'm not "pinning my hopes" on this solving everything. Quite frankly I think you're projecting that onto me to make it easier to ridicule me. 
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A lovely Reporter posted:I'm not talking about some amazing end-all be-all solution. I'm not "pinning my hopes" on this solving everything. Quite frankly I think you're projecting that onto me to make it easier to ridicule me. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm ridiculing the notion that the problem with the 2016 election was that we let faceless foreigners unaccountably influence it with dark money.
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A lovely Reporter posted:That Trump and his campaign knowingly accepted foreign help to win an election. Even if they never face consequences, it would further delegitimize him and lead to the administration being able to do less harm. his approvals are in the low 30s, everyone knows (note: not thinks; knows) he's an oatmeal brained moron, and the gop platform has been explicitly fygm for decades upon decades however, Mister Special Prosecutor Robert Swan Mueller III is going to pull the wool from the trump base's eyes, and they are going to have to recognize and understand that... They Were Wrong
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A lovely Reporter posted:I'm not talking about some amazing end-all be-all solution. I'm not "pinning my hopes" on this solving everything. Quite frankly I think you're projecting that onto me to make it easier to ridicule me. To be fair, Virgil seemed to be making the argument you are.
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A lovely Reporter posted:Okay, now you're openly misinterpreting what I say. Congratulations, you win. what's your thesis? state it clearly and as plainly as you can.
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Trabisnikof posted:To be fair, Virgil seemed to be making the argument you are. yeah virgil was advocating for the "sit back and enjoy it" stance which is the most fun route to go
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A lovely Reporter posted:Okay, now you're openly misinterpreting what I say. Congratulations, you win. I mean you tell me what this post was supposed to be about if not that: A lovely Reporter posted:That's what confuses me. In what world is this not mattering? It's a massive black mark on the GOP and the current system as a whole. The rot may have been within America already, but Putin and his oligarch society helped push it past the tipping point, and somehow fighting back against that is inconsequential or doesn't matter? Putin's Russia -IS- the corrupt capitalist madness that they constantly oppose. It's an outgrowth of the same things that they and the DSA are fighting against. How the gently caress does fighting it not matter?
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Phone posted:his approvals are in the low 30s, everyone knows (note: not thinks; knows) he's an oatmeal brained moron, and the gop platform has been explicitly fygm for decades upon decades 80% of people who voted for Trump still think he's doing a good job, though.
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Neon Belly posted:80% of people who voted for Trump still think he's doing a good job, though. Apathy is surrender. gently caress you.
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If you think Russia's influence on American domestic politics is dodgy finding out about poo poo like AIPAC is gonna blow your fuckin' mind.
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:Wait so this thread is Still With Her right In a way, we are all Still With Her. She's taking us down With Her and there's nothing you can do.
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A lovely Reporter posted:This is what I'm talking about. The rest of you are having good and constructive and well-meaning reactions, but people like this are what I'm arguing against. Don't enable this sort of rear end in a top hat. And here we see the Liberal in its natural habitat, attempting to divide the Left.
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A lovely Reporter posted:Putin is the same type of person as them. Him being foreign doesn't mean he matters less. Of course the American people doing the same garbage, who are deeply embedded in both parties, are equally responsible and culpable. But they've normalized themselves, and get excused for things by those in power. But by attacking what Putin's doing, it could potentially lead to attacking what they're doing as well. Neither of them excuse the other, and opposing what happened with Putin and Trump could be the key to getting people to understand it's not okay when we do it either, and lead to them opposing the equivalent power structures at home. The trouble is, a lot of the loudest and most influential people who have an interest in not criticizing American oligarchy and capitalism's subversive effect on democracy have been doing everything they can to steer the Russian election discourse towards red-baiting and nationalism. Remember that reading series they did a couple weeks ago, the one about like, the slavic racial predisposition towards Marxism or whatever? Or all of the lovely reporting about Russian election interference that's gone on for a year, sometimes going as far as literally replacing the word "Russian" with "Soviet," or basically implying or pretending that the KGB still exists? It's hard not to feel like a lot of the mainstream media, along with democratic politicians are pretty devoted to making this explicitly about the fiendish slavic threat and trying to relaunch the cold war, they will never acknowledge that the equivalent power structures at home have been doing this poo poo all around the world for like a century. American oligarchy is GREAT because American oligarchy is GOOD
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The Chapo boys aren't dismissing the Russia poo poo entirely or implying that it's partisan garbage that shouldn't be investigated at all. They're just under no illusion that any game-changing revelations will come of it and think those that are hanging their hopes on it are misguided. Geohell cynicism hasn't let us down yet, why question it now? The bottom line is that Trump won't be impeached by a republican congress no matter what he does, and he won't be removed via the 25th amendment unless his dementia progresses to the point where he's found buck naked taking a poo poo on the south lawn in broad daylight.
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Way too many people, both skeptics and hopefuls, act as if the expected result of the Russia investigation is straight-up prosecuting Trump and the rest of the administration for treason, thereby removing the Republicans from power. That, of course, is a ridiculously wishful long shot. It will, however, be a massive black mark against the Republicans that dems of whatever ideological stripe can use against their opponents on basically any level of electoral politics. That alone is useful. And if it gets a few scalps, like Sessions, for example, and generally disrupts Congress' ability to pass evil legislation, so much the better.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Way too many people, both skeptics and hopefuls, act as if the expected result of the Russia investigation is straight-up prosecuting Trump and the rest of the administration for treason, thereby removing the Republicans from power. That, of course, is a ridiculously wishful long shot. It will, however, be a massive black mark against the Republicans that dems of whatever ideological stripe can use against their opponents on basically any level of electoral politics. That alone is useful. And if it gets a few scalps, like Sessions, for example, and generally disrupts Congress' ability to pass evil legislation, so much the better. Actually, it's yet more proof that the democrats are in cahoots with the deep state to keep america from becoming great again.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Gorkamobile spotted again: GOOOOOORKA
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super fart shooter posted:Remember that reading series they did a couple weeks ago, the one about like, the slavic racial predisposition towards Marxism or whatever? Or all of the lovely reporting about Russian election interference that's gone on for a year, sometimes going as far as literally replacing the word "Russian" with "Soviet," or basically implying or pretending that the KGB still exists? Barbe Rouge posted:what in god's name do you think this investigation will find out, exactly, that putin himself hacked voting booths?
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Way too many people, both skeptics and hopefuls, act as if the expected result of the Russia investigation is straight-up prosecuting Trump and the rest of the administration for treason, thereby removing the Republicans from power. That, of course, is a ridiculously wishful long shot. It will, however, be a massive black mark against the Republicans that dems of whatever ideological stripe can use against their opponents on basically any level of electoral politics. That alone is useful. And if it gets a few scalps, like Sessions, for example, and generally disrupts Congress' ability to pass evil legislation, so much the better. That'd be nice but it won't hinder the republicans at all. A massive black mark only helps if anyone voting GOP gives a poo poo about it, which they don't. All that will come of this is bad Dems will have an excuse for losing the election that will mean they don't have to change anything and be can all brace for Chelsea Clinton to lose in 2020
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Flip Yr Wig posted:And if it gets a few scalps, like Sessions, for example, and generally disrupts Congress' ability to pass evil legislation, so much the better. Crane Fist posted:All that will come of this is bad Dems will have an excuse for losing the election that will mean they don't have to change anything and be can all brace for Chelsea Clinton to lose in 2020
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The Outline interviewed Lowtax about moderation & Twitter.
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Consummate Professional posted:GOOOOOORKA THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST IS NOT BOUND BY YOUR PLEBEIAN TRAFFIC LAWS, MR CHAPO
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Skyscraper posted:So, really, the Russia investigation is good and helpful, and we should start doing it just after all the bad dems have been purged from the party, which at this rate should be some time after Hillary's third attempt at the presidency. If you purge the bad Dems the Russia thing becomes unnecessary because you stop losing every election
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Crane Fist posted:If you purge the bad Dems the Russia thing becomes unnecessary because you stop losing every election
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It's not a complex idea. The Russia poo poo is good to investigate, but you can't make a platform out of investigation. People care about it, and it super clearly was something shady that happened, we should support looking at it, but 'I'M GONNA GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS RUSSIA STUFF' doesn't answer 'how are you gonna improve my life?'
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sexpig by night posted:THE DRAGON OF BUDAPEST IS NOT BOUND BY YOUR PLEBEIAN TRAFFIC LAWS, MR CHAPO THE STRONG TAKE WHAT THEY WANT, MR CHAPO, BE IT IN LOVE, IN WAR, OR IN PARKING.
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uber_stoat posted:THE STRONG TAKE WHAT THEY WANT, MR CHAPO, BE IT IN LOVE, IN WAR, OR IN PARKING. SUN TZU ONCE SAID, IF YOU WISH TO CRIPPLE YOUR ENEMY, MILDLY INCONVENIENCE HIS WALKING PATH!
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SulphagneSocialist posted:Gorkamobile spotted again: https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/925483457622560768 lmao
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I’ve never seen any hypothetical reason for Russia interfering with the US, unless there’s a hidden Influence meter that will get a victory in the giant game of Civilisation the rich are playing or Russia’s spy agencies are as incoherent as the rest of the world. If Russia had control of the US, America would not be so tight with Saudi oil interests or backing Syrian groups fighting the ones the Russians back. Maybe there’s something I’m not seeing but the Russia poo poo doesn’t answer anything.
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rumble in the bunghole posted:I’ve never seen any hypothetical reason for Russia interfering with the US, unless there’s a hidden Influence meter that will get a victory in the giant game of Civilisation the rich are playing or Russia’s spy agencies are as incoherent as the rest of the world. If Russia had control of the US, America would not be so tight with Saudi oil interests or backing Syrian groups fighting the ones the Russians back. Maybe there’s something I’m not seeing but the Russia poo poo doesn’t answer anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics they don't want "control" of the USA, they just want it destabilized and weakened. but anyway, Russia didn't lose the election for Hillary. Hillary did.
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