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8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:
You got a namedrop Caitlin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae-JaUkeb9s

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Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

GutBomb posted:

that whole era is "the hardware wasn't ready for 3D yet but gently caress it let's do it anyway and make everything look like poo poo"

This is exactly how I feel about that console generation as well. Makes finding the 2D gems among the turds a bit more challenging. Some of the 2.5D stuff is ok, though.

I will say that a lot of the Saturn arcade ports have long been superseded by MAME. There are some exceptions:

Blast Wind - Technosoft vert shmup, arcade version was cancelled so this is the only way to play it
Cotton 2 - has 6 (!) frames of input lag in MAME and is unplayable there
Cotton Boomerang - see Cotton 2
Radiant Silvergun - Saturn mode
Game Tengoku - Saturn mode
Thunderforce V - not an arcade port, but better than on PS1 so the definitive version here

Hm, all shmups. Oh well, that's all I know about, really. Did Saturn Street Fighter Alpha 3 have the world tour mode? That would make it worth it over the arcade version.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies

GutBomb posted:

Any reason not to get a japanese Saturn (other than waiting for it to arrive) since I''ll be using a pseudo saturn?
Well, some games base their displayed language based on the region of the console (I have an NTSC-U copy of Die Hard Arcade, but the "PUNCH"/"KICK"/"BLOCK" QTE prompts come up in katakana if I play it on my white NTSC-J Saturn instead of my black NTSC-U one), so there's that. Also, this one's highly subjective, I prefer the more muted NTSC-U/PAL boot-up jingle to the harsher horn chords/choir from the NTSC-J console, though I'd be lying if I said either one was bad.

Caitlin
Aug 18, 2006

When I die, if there is a heaven, I will spend eternity rolling around with a pile of kittens.

:toot: cool kids club

Derek and Grace from Stop Skeletons From Fighting are very lovely people and wanted to include me from the get go so I've been really excited for this to come out, thank you! :kimchi:

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

GutBomb posted:

Any reason not to get a japanese Saturn (other than waiting for it to arrive) since I''ll be using a pseudo saturn?

Nope, get whatever one you want, but I would avoid this model:



The US one has the same oval buttons but is all black. I think they have reliability issues or something? Don't remember why but I remember people always recommend a round button Saturn

e:

Ofecks posted:

This is exactly how I feel about that console generation as well. Makes finding the 2D gems among the turds a bit more challenging. Some of the 2.5D stuff is ok, though.

I will say that a lot of the Saturn arcade ports have long been superseded by MAME. There are some exceptions:

Blast Wind - Technosoft vert shmup, arcade version was cancelled so this is the only way to play it
Cotton 2 - has 6 (!) frames of input lag in MAME and is unplayable there
Cotton Boomerang - see Cotton 2
Radiant Silvergun - Saturn mode
Game Tengoku - Saturn mode
Thunderforce V - not an arcade port, but better than on PS1 so the definitive version here

Hm, all shmups. Oh well, that's all I know about, really. Did Saturn Street Fighter Alpha 3 have the world tour mode? That would make it worth it over the arcade version.


In the case of games that were originally on the ST-V, I don't see a reason why you would play them in MAME rather than a Saturn, ever, unless you're practicing with savestates. It's the difference between real hardware and emulation, like saying KOF 98 is better on MAME than the Neo-Geo AES, makes no sense. For other stuff that was just ported to Saturn from other arcade hardware, yeah I agree in a lot of cases MAME has made those games pointless (yet for some reason many of these "just ok" ports go for crazy money).

d0s fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 1, 2017

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

univbee posted:

Super Mario World is a great game and those posters are crazy.

Super Mario 3, on the other hand...

... is a better game?

Kthulhu5000
Jul 25, 2006

by R. Guyovich

d0s posted:

Nope, get whatever one you want, but I would avoid this model:



The US one has the same oval buttons but is all black. I think they have reliability issues or something? Don't remember why but I remember people always recommend a round button Saturn

I think the button shape indicates how easy or difficult it would be to install a modchip in the console (oval is more difficult, round is less).

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/925778660723961856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Alucardd
Aug 1, 2006

Kthulhu5000 posted:

I think the button shape indicates how easy or difficult it would be to install a modchip in the console (oval is more difficult, round is less).

And the Phantom is completely universal so it doesn't really matter anymore.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/925766924117725187

univbee
Jun 3, 2004





Tip of the iceberg.

https://twitter.com/jseldin/status/925766924117725187

https://twitter.com/Arr/status/925818243834511361

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
yet another victim of anime

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Anime fans are terrorists. The government has proven it.

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

agg stop posting
College Slice
2013 gotta go xrgb-mini
2017 well gently caress that arcade cabinet deal went south... well...


I was going to do a RGB mod on the CRT but the results are less than favorable so I'm just using a Shinybow SCART > Component adapter. Works lovely.

falz
Jan 29, 2005

01100110 01100001 01101100 01111010

Caitlin posted:

:toot: cool kids club
Yeah but can you beat that old lady at Qbert?!

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

flyboi posted:

2013 gotta go xrgb-mini
2017 well gently caress that arcade cabinet deal went south... well...


I was going to do a RGB mod on the CRT but the results are less than favorable so I'm just using a Shinybow SCART > Component adapter. Works lovely.

NICE

I miss mine...

d0s
Jun 28, 2004


the giant folder of game screenshots might just be the MAME extras folder where there's a screenshot of every emulated arcade game, of course including lots of mahjong porno

e: and it probably just came from some bootleg "10,000 IN ONE GAME CD" from some market stall in sandistan

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

d0s posted:

the giant folder of game screenshots might just be the MAME extras folder where there's a screenshot of every emulated arcade game, of course including lots of mahjong porno

e: and it probably just came from some bootleg "10,000 IN ONE GAME CD" from some market stall in sandistan

You seem to know alot about this stuff.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




https://twitter.com/griph/status/925825587935154176

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

As entertaining as the idea may be, the more likely explanation is that it was one of the kids in the household watching anime and playing games.

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Shadow Hog posted:

Well, some games base their displayed language based on the region of the console (I have an NTSC-U copy of Die Hard Arcade, but the "PUNCH"/"KICK"/"BLOCK" QTE prompts come up in katakana if I play it on my white NTSC-J Saturn instead of my black NTSC-U one), so there's that. Also, this one's highly subjective, I prefer the more muted NTSC-U/PAL boot-up jingle to the harsher horn chords/choir from the NTSC-J console, though I'd be lying if I said either one was bad.

This is incredibly wrong, wow. Also the other reason is that the actual menu noises on the US saturn are horrible high pitched squeaking, instead of regular noises like the Japanese bios has.

Laslow
Jul 18, 2007

d0s posted:

Nope, get whatever one you want, but I would avoid this model:



The US one has the same oval buttons but is all black. I think they have reliability issues or something? Don't remember why but I remember people always recommend a

[quote="Kthulhu5000" post="477963677"]
I think the button shape indicates how easy or difficult it would be to install a modchip in the console (oval is more difficult, round is less).
I got the oval model 2. The difference for me is the timing for the swap trick is harder. It's not impossible, but annoying.

d0s
Jun 28, 2004

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

You seem to know alot about this stuff.

yeah because I've heard of and spoke to people who have gotten MAME/other emulator CDs at shady markets in third world countries. It's a ton of roms on a CD with some janky UI and it has all the screenshots and stuff

flyboi
Oct 13, 2005

agg stop posting
College Slice

Laslow posted:

I got the oval model 2. The difference for me is the timing for the swap trick is harder. It's not impossible, but annoying.

Easier to quote you because :effort:

Model 1 were normally avoided in the past because the only modchip that really existed didn't support the cdrom controller chip on them without heavy modification (32 vs 64 pin although some model 2 have 64 pin controllers) - http://www.racketboy.com/saturn-modchip/model-1-install.htm

There's a universal chip that was designed since the original has all but died and works on both so it's pretty much not important so long as you can find a universal chip.

SeductiveReasoning
Nov 2, 2005

382 BC - 301 BC
Just get the Saturn you think looks the coolest and makes your soul the happiest. Or get all of them and play whichever suits your mood. Have a scart switch dedicated solely to Saturn variants.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Finally got my OSSC hooked up and working. Tried it with SNES, Genesis, and PS2. All work great. Haven't had a chance to mess with the options because it's too much of a pain to try and do that with an IR remote app. 32X Isn't working but as I recall this one had issue before and probably needs to be cleaned again.

SeductiveReasoning
Nov 2, 2005

382 BC - 301 BC

Casimir Radon posted:

Finally got my OSSC hooked up and working. Tried it with SNES, Genesis, and PS2. All work great. Haven't had a chance to mess with the options because it's too much of a pain to try and do that with an IR remote app. 32X Isn't working but as I recall this one had issue before and probably needs to be cleaned again.

Using 5x mode? Keep us updated on your experience please, I'm interested.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
I been using 5X mode on my LG 65 (model 65UH7700) and works perfectly. Noticed it had a screen tear 2/3 vertically on the default setting, but after changing it to be 1920 x 1200 instead of 1080 that was gone. Oddly the only mode that doesn't work for me is line 3X. 4X works as well but it kinda redundant with 5X.

Rirse fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Nov 2, 2017

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Monopthalmus posted:

Using 5x mode? Keep us updated on your experience please, I'm interested.
I'm not sure which mode it's in right now. Trying to go through options with a remote app on my phone got too annoying so I ordered a universal remote for it which won't be here until Friday. I think it's the 32X that's causing the problem. I get about half a second of "Produced under license for Sega Enterprises" and then it goes black.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

You seem to know alot about this stuff.

just lol if you aren't intimately familiar with porno mahjong games across all systems

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

flyboi posted:

2013 gotta go xrgb-mini
2017 well gently caress that arcade cabinet deal went south... well...


I was going to do a RGB mod on the CRT but the results are less than favorable so I'm just using a Shinybow SCART > Component adapter. Works lovely.

I laughed at my dad for buying this TV years ago.

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies

Elliotw2 posted:

This is incredibly wrong, wow. Also the other reason is that the actual menu noises on the US saturn are horrible high pitched squeaking, instead of regular noises like the Japanese bios has.
Pretty sure the only one wrong here is you. :colbert:

But really, silly childish responses aside, there's literally nothing factually wrong with the statement I made vis-à-vis Die Hard Arcade - that really was giving me katakana prompts when I used it on my white Saturn, despite being the US version of the game. The other sentence in my post was explicitly noted to be subjective so I'm not gonna get in an argument over it, because that's stupid. I will get in an argument, however, about the assertion you made afterward about the western menu noises being worse than the Japanese ones, on the grounds that they're nigh identical. The only difference I can think of is that the "CD is not suitable for this system" noise, which is some chimes in the Western BIOS but a little jingle in the Japanese one.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
My dad is an electrician (now low and commercial voltage, but was board-level PCB repair electrician and A/V calibration for like 30 years) and he never played one video game. We were poor as balls, but he was allowed to buy customer-abandonment projects for cost +10% of the repair if they didn't pay, and of course had access to tons of old A/V equipment through his sources.

In fact, he's an identical twin, and his brother/my uncle both worked in the same electronics repair shop. My dad focused on audio equipment, while my uncle focused on video. So, while he made minimum wage and we were poor as poo poo, we also had a TV in every room, and shelves full of Marantz equipment and Polk Audio or PSB speakers. We even had two of those oscilloscope-meter quad-channel Marantz receivers (we used one to pay the family lawyer for adoption papers when I was 17, long story). The other one was stolen by methheads.

While my dad was an audio guy, he recognized video quality. So, while my uncle upgraded over the years to large rear-projection TVs with multiple PiP screens and multi-audio-out channels (always a few years old and usually with issues, though - it was minimum wage after all), my dad continued to fill the house with semi-flat Trinitrons and PVMs (which I thought were just weird speakerless TVs when I was a kid). I was always so annoyed at having to turn on whatever Onkyo or Sony receiver to hear sound when playing Nintendo. I remember him futzing, looking up something weird called "schematics" and "pinouts" through pre-Internet catalogs, and making a strange cable for my SNES that made Super Mario World look so much better as a Christmas gift. It had a weird connector that was boxy and had like a hundred gajillion pins inside, that none of my friends had!

Thank you, dad :unsmith:

Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Nov 2, 2017

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free
Holy poo poo, best dad. :unsmith:

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

univbee posted:

Hey, Atari 2600 had a game with a single Asterix, so there's precedent.



I looked this up on youtube and it's literally the same as a Taz game I had as a kid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW17PNeTSHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs-tlh4dHr4

The nightmare rendition of Taz on the title screen might make a good av

Karasu Tengu
Feb 16, 2011

Humble Tengu Newspaper Reporter

Shadow Hog posted:

The only difference I can think of is that the "CD is not suitable for this system" noise, which is some chimes in the Western BIOS but a little jingle in the Japanese one.

Yeah, that's the bit I'm specifically referring to, since you don't have much reason to go into the Saturn's regular BIOS unless your AR or CD is being lovely.

The Die Hard Arcade thing is an oddity considering the system's normally region locked anyway.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Metal Geir Skogul posted:

My dad is an electrician (now low and commercial voltage, but was board-level PCB repair electrician and A/V calibration for like 30 years) and he never played one video game. We were poor as balls, but he was allowed to buy customer-abandonment projects for cost +10% of the repair if they didn't pay, and of course had access to tons of old A/V equipment through his sources.

In fact, he's an identical twin, and his brother/my uncle both worked in the same electronics repair shop. My dad focused on audio equipment, while my uncle focused on video. So, while he made minimum wage and we were poor as poo poo, we also had a TV in every room, and shelves full of Marantz equipment and Polk Audio or PSB speakers. We even had two of those oscilloscope-meter quad-channel Marantz receivers (we used one to pay the family lawyer for adoption papers when I was 17, long story). The other one was stolen by methheads.

While my dad was an audio guy, he recognized video quality. So, while my uncle upgraded over the years to large rear-projection TVs with multiple PiP screens and multi-audio-out channels (always a few years old and usually with issues, though - it was minimum wage after all), my dad continued to fill the house with semi-flat Trinitrons and PVMs (which I thought were just weird speakerless TVs when I was a kid). I was always so annoyed at having to turn on whatever Onkyo or Sony receiver to hear sound when playing Nintendo. I remember him futzing, looking up something weird called "schematics" and "pinouts" through pre-Internet catalogs, and making a strange cable for my SNES that made Super Mario World look so much better as a Christmas gift. It had a weird connector that was boxy and had like a hundred gajillion pins inside, that none of my friends had!

Thank you, dad :unsmith:

SCARTdad is a good dad

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
Retrogames.co.uk has gotten one of what's apparently the rarest N64 controller instock; The Red Korean Comboy. For the low-low price of about $260USD. :retrogames:

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


Jim Silly-Balls posted:

SCARTdad is a good dad

Wanna meet that dad.

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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Imagine spending $260 on a Korean n64 pad to find out the stick is shot

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