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Duscat
Jan 4, 2009
Fun Shoe

silentsnack posted:

Launch bad startups intending to crater them once you've stolen all of the seed money via $900k/mo salary, blame everyone else for the failure, then find more investors to launch another hypervelocity turd at venture capitalists. Like Robin Hood except without the philanthropy.

this is how all big indiegogo campaigns work

the little ones are "find some crap on alibaba, pretend you just invented it, and sell it at a 100% markup"

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Jun 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Shear Modulus posted:

surprised someone hasn't made The Producers but The Silicon Valley Entrepeneurs

https://twitter.com/business/status/926114298954436608

This actually really sucks, EVs are reaching a turning point in affordability (not Teslas, lol) and rolling this credit back with gas prices the way they are will set adoption back a decade or more

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

Entrepreneurs are the lottery winners that ride the bubble until it pops, then everyone praises their genius lol

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

call to action posted:

This actually really sucks, EVs are reaching a turning point in affordability (not Teslas, lol) and rolling this credit back with gas prices the way they are will set adoption back a decade or more

I don't really think it's that bad. The subsidy was to help jump start the industry, and a LOT of automakers are planning to enter the BEV (or at least hybrid) markets in the next few years.

...Though it definitely sucks in the short term if you were planning to buy one.

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
EVs need better infrastructure for charging on the go and only tesla had that problem solved, kind of

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
looking at any public-access EV charging areas on a map and half of them will be hotels for their customers, and the other half are in somebody's driveway

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lolling how Tesla skipped pre-production steps like tooling validation in the name of disrupting the industry and meeting Musk's irrational deadlines

Agnostalgia
Dec 22, 2009

etalian posted:

lolling how Tesla skipped pre-production steps like tooling validation in the name of disrupting the industry and meeting Musk's irrational deadlines

listen, cars when you get right down to it are very simple machines and something something death tubes

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
it's almost like all these steps need to be done for very good reasons and musk doesn't know poo poo about building cars

TheDon01
Mar 8, 2009


logikv9 posted:

EVs need better infrastructure for charging on the go and only tesla had that problem solved, kind of

Our city owned power company is offering charging stations installed in your home for EVs.

I imagine this is paid through some sort of govt. grant.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
When I think, "immature industry, without tons of experience developing best practices, that can Get Disrupted by one guy with Gumption", I automatically think of the automotive industry.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

normal brain: truckers should be paid more to work fewer hours because their present working conditions are dangerous and unacceptable

dying capitalism brain: https://twitter.com/SFtheWolf/status/926231049423556608

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler

TheDon01 posted:

Our city owned power company is offering charging stations installed in your home for EVs.

I imagine this is paid through some sort of govt. grant.

this only helps a bit and i would imagine anyway that most EV owners have at-home charging stations. if you live in an apartment, some states mandate that the apartment allow you to install whatever charging system you want, but at your own cost. even if you can't afford a charging station, all EVs can charge slowly via a normal wall outlet

the issue is with longer trips, where the battery can simply get too low. normal cars have gas stations, teslas have charging stations, and every other EV has the owner desperately searching for a free wall outlet somewhere

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

the bitcoin of weed posted:

normal brain: truckers should be paid more to work fewer hours because their present working conditions are dangerous and unacceptable

dying capitalism brain: https://twitter.com/SFtheWolf/status/926231049423556608

lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

logikv9 posted:

it's almost like all these steps need to be done for very good reasons and musk doesn't know poo poo about building cars

He also has a strategy in which he intentionally subjects his team to unrealistic pie in the sky program schedules changes since he believes stress and long hours
drives people to produce better things.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

logikv9 posted:

this only helps a bit and i would imagine anyway that most EV owners have at-home charging stations. if you live in an apartment, some states mandate that the apartment allow you to install whatever charging system you want, but at your own cost. even if you can't afford a charging station, all EVs can charge slowly via a normal wall outlet

the issue is with longer trips, where the battery can simply get too low. normal cars have gas stations, teslas have charging stations, and every other EV has the owner desperately searching for a free wall outlet somewhere

Tesla made their charger design "open source" in that if you copy it from the patent documents they promise not to sue you. EVs need a standard plug and you have to wonder how the convention of the gasoline nozzle/receptacle was agreed upon.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lol

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/soapbox/article182544381.html

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Mc Do Well posted:

Tesla made their charger design "open source" in that if you copy it from the patent documents they promise not to sue you. EVs need a standard plug and you have to wonder how the convention of the gasoline nozzle/receptacle was agreed upon.

it wasn't much of a convention

car companies basically just made holes to dump gas into, and a nozzle is kind of the obvious thing to do there. most of the complexity and standardized features used today weren't added till later. turns out putting liquid into a tank isn't that complicated

that's not to say that old-timey gas pumps didn't have standardized features of their own, tho. for example, in the early less-regulated days, gas pumps used to have a clear glass chamber that the gas was pumped through so the customer could see the color of the gas (and therefore could guess whether or not the gas was being watered down)

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

the bitcoin of weed posted:

normal brain: truckers should be paid more to work fewer hours because their present working conditions are dangerous and unacceptable

dying capitalism brain: https://twitter.com/SFtheWolf/status/926231049423556608

drat

Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.
We'll have autonomous trucks soon so whatever.

Pizza Segregationist
Jul 18, 2006


"chief people officer"

:barf:

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


the bitcoin of weed posted:

normal brain: truckers should be paid more to work fewer hours because their present working conditions are dangerous and unacceptable

dying capitalism brain: https://twitter.com/SFtheWolf/status/926231049423556608

so you don't die? more like so the truck doesn't crash

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005


well I'm convinced

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Jeb! Repetition posted:

We'll have autonomous trucks soon so whatever.

lol maybe in another generation, if the economy still exists

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

Jeb! Repetition posted:

We'll have autonomous trucks soon so whatever.

Any day now!

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

MrWilderheap posted:

"chief people officer"

:barf:

lmao Tesla actually pays much worse than many SV companies which is why other companies had a easy time poaching their talent

quote:

One employee even said he made double what he’d made at any prior job.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



etalian posted:

lmao Tesla actually pays much worse than many SV companies which is why other companies had a easy time poaching their talent

she's referring to the line workers here

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



also lol at touting the employee stock buying program when every other car company has pensions

logikv9
Mar 5, 2009


Ham Wrangler
it would own if EVs had a standard plug that was capable of really fast charging but since tesla is going down the "a car is just a huge phone" we're probably going to end up with like 2-3 charging standards

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

also lol at touting the employee stock buying program when every other car company has pensions

Probably does the old fire people before their stock options vest trick.

PIZZA.BAT
Nov 12, 2016


:cheers:


etalian posted:

lmao Tesla actually pays much worse than many SV companies which is why other companies had a easy time poaching their talent

and then musk huffs & puffs about how he didnt want those workers anyways. it's hilarious

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

logikv9 posted:

it would own if EVs had a standard plug that was capable of really fast charging but since tesla is going down the "a car is just a huge phone" we're probably going to end up with like 2-3 charging standards

it looks like china is imposing one standard by fiat, europe will have a tesla standard and a consortium standard, and then who knows what's happening here. japan might be sticking with chademo but i'm not entirely sure about that.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Rex-Goliath posted:

and then musk huffs & puffs about how he didnt want those workers anyways. it's hilarious

Also the blonde tour guide lady in Westworld is his ex.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Matt Taibbi has a fantastic new piece on how student debt is a scam making us all suicidal: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-great-college-loan-swindle-w510880

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Taintrunner posted:

Matt Taibbi has a fantastic new piece on how student debt is a scam making us all suicidal: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-great-college-loan-swindle-w510880

guess what

https://twitter.com/ClausWilke/status/926454752136892416

MICROSOFT INCEL
Jun 11, 2017


We didn't want that technological advantage anyway.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MICROSOFT INCEL posted:

We didn't want that technological advantage anyway.

We have coding bootcamps and Elon Musk, what else could you entitled brats possibly need?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Taintrunner posted:

Matt Taibbi has a fantastic new piece on how student debt is a scam making us all suicidal: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/taibbi-the-great-college-loan-swindle-w510880

It's amazing how good the finance sector has gotten at skimming off from people doing actual work.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

etalian posted:

It's amazing how good the finance sector has gotten at skimming off from people doing actual work.

They reinvented slavery, really.

It used to be, you work for me, and I keep all the profit. Now it's you go maybe find a job working for someone else, they extract the surplus value of your labor, and whatever pittance you get to take home, well, actually I get to take that. Forever.

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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
this fits here too. it's short
https://www.axios.com/an-unanswered-conundrum-why-are-employers-not-raising-wages-2505931443.html?utm_medium=linkshare&utm_campaign=organic

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