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IDK what The Read Optional is but they're reporting that Butch knowingly played a player with a concussion in the Kentucky game last week. https://thereadoptional.com/source-butch-jones-tennessee-played-player-with-concussion-in-loss-to-kentucky-1497e5b70938 quote:Butch Jones is done at Tennessee, but things could potentially get messy before he exits Knoxville. There's a couple gifs in the article but I'm not sure what they're trying to show - I'm not the best at reading what an Olineman is supposed to be doing at any given time unless it's really obvious he hosed up. The first one he looks lost but the second he doesn't seem out of it but it's relevant because it was when he was taken out of the game. Kendrick is #63:   Also, SDS is reporting that the buyout is in place and they're looking for somewhere for him to go: quote:
Same guy from The Read Optional tweeted the above and wrote the article about Kendrick. If the concussion thing is true, is that enough to fire Butch with cause? If the buyout/landing place thing is true, it makes sense why this has taken so long - they're looking for someone to split the buyout with them. Ehud posted:Why would anyone want Gruden to coach their college football team? I have never understood that. Big name, "offensive guru". If you think about it for more than a minute it makes less and less sense though. I think he'd be a great recruiter just because of his name but unless he got a really good support staff to help develop players he'll fail. He was terrible at developing young guys while in Tampa. Joey Freshwater fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Ehud posted:Why would anyone want Gruden to coach their college football team? I have never understood that. He has a big name, therefore all the recruits will be begging to play for him.
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Ehud posted:Why would anyone want Gruden to coach their college football team? I have never understood that. Because middle-aged college fans would run through a wall for the long-time host of QB Camp™ presented by ESPN.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:He has a big name, therefore all the recruits will be begging to play for him. I know you're being facetious, but seriously- do high schoolers give a poo poo about Jon Gruden?
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General Dog posted:I know you're being facetious, but seriously- do high schoolers give a poo poo about Jon Gruden? No.
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General Dog posted:I know you're being facetious, but seriously- do high schoolers give a poo poo about Jon Gruden? This year’s senior class was 7 or 8 years old when he last put on a headset and in diapers when he won a Super Bowl, so definitely not. He’s just the MNF color guy to them.
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General Dog posted:I know you're being facetious, but seriously- do high schoolers give a poo poo about Jon Gruden? He's a popular name, does the QB camp stuff, MNF etc etc. They know who he is from that. They don't know what it was like for him to be a coach - they length of their knowledge is probably "won a super bowl". I can imagine that it would hold a lot of weight for them and he's got a strong personality. This is me trying to give you an answer on what an AD is thinking, not that I believe any of this. I think kids will know who he is but who knows if they'll give a poo poo.
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Henchman of Santa posted:This year’s senior class was 7 or 8 years old when he last put on a headset and in diapers when he won a Super Bowl, so definitely not. He’s just the MNF color guy to them. Also, do high schoolers watch Monday Night Football?
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General Dog posted:Bo Pelini, get Bo Pelini you retards. This is strong commitment to your gimmick
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MourningView posted:This is strong commitment to your gimmick Oh yeah, I honestly forgot about him bringing in Rape
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LiquidFriend posted:Mangino has to be in the shittiest of health by now. Ah yes the notoriously organized and keen gameplanning of Les Miles. Literally the only strength of latter day Miles was his recruiting. That's an awful fit for what Kansas needs. You're not gonna recruit your way to wins at Kansas.
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Joey Freshwater posted:Same guy from The Read Optional tweeted the above and wrote the article about Kendrick. If the concussion thing is true, is that enough to fire Butch with cause? I bet if they can prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt they can fire him, maybe not with no buyout but a greatly reduced one, for endangering the wellbeing of a student athlete or something like that.
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I don't really want Scott Frost as the next Nebraska coach but I also don't want any other school to hire him
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Seaniqua posted:I don't really want Scott Frost as the next Nebraska coach but I also don't want any other school to hire him Why don't you want him
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Ehud posted:Why don't you want him Holding out for Tom Osbourne.
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I think the new AD is going to throw everything at him — it just makes too much sense. I don't know if he comes home, though. Nobody does.
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First was a designed roll-out so his responsibility was to not let the end slant left. It was a bit of a bust by the guard who needed to feel the end pinching down inside and give a bit more of a chip. Second he just got beat by a speed rusher off the edge. The QB drifted back in the pocket further than either tackle anticipated. Nothing indicating on either play that he was concussed.
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The second one looks like he's messing around with his mouth guard or something before and after the play, which might be a sign that something wasn't quite right upstairs. Or it could be a sign that he just dropped his mouth guard.
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Hypothetical question to Iowa State fans. Let's say Campbell leaves. I'm less convinced than a lot of people that he will, because I know they're really supportive of athletics and will give him a good contract, and none of likely open jobs except maybe Nebraska seem like a slam dunk fit for him. But ISU is also a super hard place to sustain success, he's young and ambitious, and he very well may never be in this position again. If he leaves, do you just keep things rolling and promote Manning to HC? He seems like the obvious star of the staff and I'd think you'd want to keep some continuity with the best team you've had in over a decade, so to me that's the clear move (you could also just go after Candle, who's doing super well at Toledo and has already worked with a lot of staff, but I think you probably lose Manning to a better OC/OL job then). I'm interested in what ISU fans think though, and if they'd want to chase a bigger or more experienced name.
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MourningView posted:none of likely open jobs except maybe Nebraska seem like a slam dunk fit for him. Elaborate on this? Because he's gotten results in a hard-to-recruit place? I don't disagree or anything — I honestly don't know much about the guy other than he was at Toledo prior to Ames.
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MourningView posted:Strong is probably the worst coach in Texas history. In terms of W-L record and a number of other statistical categories, there's no "probably" about it. For example, in year two of the defensive guru's reign we had the worst defense in school history. But again, saying it's because he was bad at the media/PR game is just incorrect. Charlie Strong played the media/PR game incredibly well. He was extremely successful at building a personal brand/narrative as A Good Man Doing Things The Right Way. A tough but fair disciplinarian who was the father some of these kids never had, instilling Core Values and molding fine young men. Urban Meyer and Tom Herman have those exact same core values posted on their walls, but they don't have the media eating it up the same way. Before year two, when Strong was trying to hire a new OC and word came out that the deal had fallen through, there was an uproar from people accusing the school of not supporting Strong and giving him everything he needed to succeed. The AD and the President of the University had to get on a plane and and go beg the co-OC from Tulsa to take the job as the sole OC at Texas. And what a lot of people still seemingly don't understand is that after three losing seasons and a loss to Kansas, when the writing was on the wall and everyone agreed he had to go, Charlie Strong was still significantly more popular than Mack Brown had been at the end of his run at Texas. Quite a few people eulogized his tenure in a way you really didn't see with Mack. Many fans had bought into him as a righteous figure, someone who represented a kind of idealism about what college football could be and all too often isn't, someone who deserved to succeed. Quite a few talked about how hard it was when they finally had to accept that the noble experiment had failed. Most wished him well in his future endeavors. And this is TEXAS we're talking about, for gently caress's sake. One of the grumpier, more entitled fanbases you're going to find. I guarantee if Herman has three losing seasons in a row, sets multiple "worst ever" school records, at least one all-time FBS worst-ever record, and loses to Kansas late in season three, his rear end will be gone and nobody will question whether we gave him enough time or feel the need to talk about what a great guy he is.
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I think SA being my primary CFB interaction outside twitter has colored my perception a bit. I just assumed Texas fans wanted Charlie out-out-out and it was national media that was apologetic. Also I didn't realize quite how bad Texas D was during his tenure—was it lack of D recruiting under Mack? Inability to counter Big XII spread Os? Seems strange to me. His Louisville D was fine w much less talent.
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LeeMajors posted:I think SA being my primary CFB interaction outside twitter has colored my perception a bit. I just assumed Texas fans wanted Charlie out-out-out and it was national media that was apologetic. Raw YPG numbers are always going to be dramatically inflated on offense and deflated on defense because of the style of play in the Big XII and the sheer number of plays in the average game there, so that's some of it. Per play his defense wasn't too bad in either the first or second year, I don't remember now. It collapsed in year 3 even by Big XII standards. Real Name Grover posted:Elaborate on this? Because he's gotten results in a hard-to-recruit place? Right. He's the type of coach they need to look for, and I think his preferred style of play would fit the Big Ten west well. He's also spent the bulk of his career in the Midwest and gets a lot of his best players from the Ohio/Michigan area so he might run into issues with recruiting if he were at a SEC school other than maybe like Kentucky.
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MourningView posted:Hypothetical question to Iowa State fans. Let's say Campbell leaves. I'm less convinced than a lot of people that he will, because I know they're really supportive of athletics and will give him a good contract, and none of likely open jobs except maybe Nebraska seem like a slam dunk fit for him. But ISU is also a super hard place to sustain success, he's young and ambitious, and he very well may never be in this position again. If he leaves, do you just keep things rolling and promote Manning to HC? He seems like the obvious star of the staff and I'd think you'd want to keep some continuity with the best team you've had in over a decade, so to me that's the clear move (you could also just go after Candle, who's doing super well at Toledo and has already worked with a lot of staff, but I think you probably lose Manning to a better OC/OL job then). I'm interested in what ISU fans think though, and if they'd want to chase a bigger or more experienced name. Jury's still out on Candle for now, he's still very much running on Campbell's recruits.
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DJExile posted:Jury's still out on Candle for now, he's still very much running on Campbell's recruits. Sure but it's a similar pedigree to Campbell when he got the job and you could probably keep the same system and some of the staff. He was a really good assistant for Campbell and would be coming in with at least a little bit of HC experience. There really hasn't been much dropoff at all for Toledo even with pretty much the entire staff outside of Candle following Campbell to ISU. They're probably the best mid-major outside the state of Florida this year MourningView fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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MourningView posted:Sure but it's a similar pedigree to Campbell when he got the job and you could probably keep the same system and some of the staff. He was a really good assistant for Campbell and would be coming in with at least a little bit of HC experience. There really hasn't been much dropoff at all for Toledo even with pretty much the entire staff outside of Candle following Campbell to ISU. They're probably the best mid-major outside the state of Florida this year Toledo has a fun offense to watch as well. I enjoyed playing them.
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Spurrier on Frost: quote:“[Frost has] done a super job," Spurrier said, speaking to the Orlando Sentinel's Mike Bianchi on his "Open Mike" radio program. "What do they lead the nation in scoring? I tell you, that would make some Gators happy if we could score 40. Or 30. Thirty would be a highlight day."
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MourningView posted:Hypothetical question to Iowa State fans. Let's say Campbell leaves. I'm less convinced than a lot of people that he will, because I know they're really supportive of athletics and will give him a good contract, and none of likely open jobs except maybe Nebraska seem like a slam dunk fit for him. But ISU is also a super hard place to sustain success, he's young and ambitious, and he very well may never be in this position again. If he leaves, do you just keep things rolling and promote Manning to HC? He seems like the obvious star of the staff and I'd think you'd want to keep some continuity with the best team you've had in over a decade, so to me that's the clear move (you could also just go after Candle, who's doing super well at Toledo and has already worked with a lot of staff, but I think you probably lose Manning to a better OC/OL job then). I'm interested in what ISU fans think though, and if they'd want to chase a bigger or more experienced name. I guess roll with Manning because he’s probably the best option to keep recruits and keep some consistency in the program. He’s probably close to landing a mid-major job somewhere anyway and he’s familiar with the program. I would be reasonably fine with that since it would be a lovely situation no matter what.
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 It's gonna own when he's not coach and people lose a lot of money and rip their hair out It'd also own if he is coach and then fails miserably, because why the gently caress do you think Gruden would be a good college coach
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https://twitter.com/JimmyHyams/status/926466630124699649 Things are never boring. Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
There are a loud online vocal minority that believe this. The majority believe it to be bullshit. They did the same thing in 2012. Fun fact a father of one of my son's friends spent an hour back in 2013 trying to convince me that we came like an inch to hiring Gruden back in 2012. I lost a lot of respect for him that day.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:
It's funny either way -- a fanbase thirsty enough to a) want Gruden and b) believe there's a non-zero chance he'll coach in colleg - or should he coach, all signs point to it being a spectacular failure given his experiences with rookies.
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Every 2-3 years, Jon Gruden makes some mumbling half-assed statements about how he'd be open to coaching again someday, and he conveniently gets a raise from ESPN shortly afterwards. It's like how Saban plants Texas rumors every time he wants a new boat. Gruden's not even doing that this year. It's a hilarious pipe dream.
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