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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



cheeky boy

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 42 hours!
E:nvm

VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Nov 2, 2017

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



VitalSigns posted:

The headline makes them sound like dumby dumb dumbs, but if you actually read the article there aren't any jobs in the area hiring for what the federal government wants to train these ex-miners to do, so from their standpoint they are acting rationally because it actually is a waste of time. If you want to give these miners shiny new non-polluting jobs then you have to actually give them shiny new non-polluting jobs, not just put them in training while they starve waiting for someone else to eventually decide that there are enough economic incentives to open a tech company in Buttfuck County WV someday, maybe.

FDR understood this poo poo. If he wanted to employ people to build dams, he didn't sign everyone up for a dam building training class and then just hope some company would come along before they all starved and say "hey look at all these people who know how to build dams, might as well." If he wanted to employ people to electrify rural areas, he didn't just teach them how to be electricians and hope someone came along and said "oh I guess I'll invest in rural electrification" etc etc

its almost like these retraining classes are bullshit and everyone knows it :thunk:

Grassy Knowles
Apr 4, 2003

"The original Terminator was a gritty fucking AMAZING piece of sci-fi. Gritty fucking rock-hard MURDER!"

Business Gorillas posted:

its almost like these retraining classes are bullshit and everyone knows it :thunk:

if a retraining class is offered and no one even looks at the enrollment portal, does it make a sound

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

etalian posted:

“I can’t even get them to show up for free food I set up in the office,” said Dave Serock, an ex-miner who recruits in Fayette County for Southwest Training Services.

they should give free dental care with every job retraining enrollment. two birds with one stone

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy


:shrug:

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

cmerepaul posted:

They've got a new self-driving-car facility there now... but that's probably a net negative for jobs in the long run.

lol, “you know what’s perfect for a warehousing and distribution center? tiny winding mountain roads where nobody lives”

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Literally promised to break healthcare during his campaign and then made pie in the sky promises about making it awesome somehow and people just voted for it without checking. lol

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Zeroisanumber posted:

Literally promised to break healthcare during his campaign and then made pie in the sky promises about making it awesome somehow and people just voted for it without checking. lol

but...he knows the art of the deal!!

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

but...he knows the art of the deal!!

The number of people who just assumed that Trump was a great dealmaker and negotiator and knew everything about making money because they watched The Apprentice was loving mind-boggling.

I get that I'm a know-it-all nerd, but doing basic research on the guy who's running for president seems like something that a normal human does.

Randalor
Sep 4, 2011



Zeroisanumber posted:

The number of people who just assumed that Trump was a great dealmaker and negotiator and knew everything about making money because they watched The Apprentice was loving mind-boggling.

I get that I'm a know-it-all nerd, but doing basic research on the guy who's running for president seems like something that a normal human does.

Really, you would think the whole "bankrupt four times, once while owning a casino" would be a large enough red flag that he might not be a good businessman.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Randalor posted:

Really, you would think the whole "bankrupt four times, once while owning a casino" would be a large enough red flag that he might not be a good businessman.

Well he said he's never gone bankrupt so there ya go

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

Randalor posted:

Really, you would think the whole "bankrupt four times, once while owning a casino" would be a large enough red flag that he might not be a good businessman.

IMO one of the big early mistakes the clinton campaign made (among others) was not explicitly questioning trump's business acumen beyond a few wink-wink references to him being a "millionaire"

apparently they did a focus group and most of the ppl they polled wouldn't believe that trump wasn't a good businessman. so the clinton campaign embraced trump's preferred image as a greedy, but savvy businessman. which of course fits a conventional attack strategy for appealing to dem base voters. but with zero record in government service, his business "success" was his entire resume for the job, and his ego is so tied up in that image that it would have driven him crazy to keep having it challenged. just bc voters didn't do a 180 from a single survey doesn't mean they couldn't have demolished his image over the course of a full campaign

kupachek
Aug 5, 2015

This man’s brain is trembling in the balance between reason and insanity, and as he stalks on with clenched fist and sword in hand, as though he still saw those murderous Russians gunners.

Zeroisanumber posted:

Literally promised to break healthcare during his campaign and then made pie in the sky promises about making it awesome somehow and people just voted for it without checking. lol

He did yammer on about universal healthcare and single payer for his first presidential campaign. Not that anyone remembered that during his second campaign.

Especially the people who had no idea he had made a run at the office previously. Hell, even I had forgotten about it at first.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

kupachek posted:

He did yammer on about universal healthcare and single payer for his first presidential campaign. Not that anyone remembered that during his second campaign.

Especially the people who had no idea he had made a run at the office previously. Hell, even I had forgotten about it at first.

he did it at the start of his second campaign

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


{Large picture of highly conservative client whose employees are just seeing how much their 2018 healthcare--and by extension their vote--will cost them}

Fry, fuckers.

kupachek
Aug 5, 2015

This man’s brain is trembling in the balance between reason and insanity, and as he stalks on with clenched fist and sword in hand, as though he still saw those murderous Russians gunners.

Jose posted:

he did it at the start of his second campaign

Missed that. Although, I wasn't paying a whole lot of attention to him at the start. He was just another blowhard for the first while.

My Linux Rig
Mar 27, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 6 years!

VitalSigns posted:

The headline makes them sound like dumby dumb dumbs, but if you actually read the article there aren't any jobs in the area hiring for what the federal government wants to train these ex-miners to do, so from their standpoint they are acting rationally because it actually is a waste of time. If you want to give these miners shiny new non-polluting jobs then you have to actually give them shiny new non-polluting jobs, not just put them in training while they starve waiting for someone else to eventually decide that there are enough economic incentives to open a tech company in Buttfuck County WV someday, maybe.

FDR understood this poo poo. If he wanted to employ people to build dams, he didn't sign everyone up for a dam building training class and then just hope some company would come along before they all starved and say "hey look at all these people who know how to build dams, might as well." If he wanted to employ people to electrify rural areas, he didn't just teach them how to be electricians and hope someone came along and said "oh I guess I'll invest in rural electrification" etc etc

they would be the first ones to reject that same plan from fdr saying it’s socialism even though it’s exactly what they need

gently caress em, they voted for this poo poo for years, so now they get to reap the benefits

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Zeroisanumber posted:

Literally promised to break healthcare during his campaign and then made pie in the sky promises about making it awesome somehow and people just voted for it without checking. lol

A new better plan which was actually ending the subsidies which will lead to massive increase in Obamacare premiums.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
trump gets to cripple obamacare and brag about how terrible obamacare is. what's better, his diehard supporters will absolutely buy it while dying, hard.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Zeroisanumber posted:

Literally promised to break healthcare during his campaign and then made pie in the sky promises about making it awesome somehow and people just voted for it without checking. lol

trump would speak for 2 minutes, advocating for every contradictory position on the political compass at once, and people would walk away sure that the only part of it he meant was the part they agreed with. it was surreal.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

trump would speak for 2 minutes, advocating for every contradictory position on the political compass at once, and people would walk away sure that the only part of it he meant was the part they agreed with. it was surreal.

Well, it worked. At least in comparison to Hillary.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

trump gets to cripple obamacare and brag about how terrible obamacare is. what's better, his diehard supporters will absolutely buy it while dying, hard.

See I agree, but there is a v large contingent, aka my da, which is on Medicare. Which seems untouched? The 70 plus crowd that votes loves trump!

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



wrong goddamned thread goddamnit you assholoes

cuntman.net
Mar 1, 2013

yeah but there hasnt been anything funny in a while

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

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Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Inescapable Duck posted:

Well, it worked. At least in comparison to Hillary.

she wouldnt take a firm position on anything

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

lol

http://www.npr.org/2017/11/04/561900880/despite-worries-about-health-care-trump-voters-dont-regret-their-choice

quote:

Ruppert says she knows young people who refused to sign up for Affordable Care Act — also known as Obamacare — policies because they found them too expensive. Instead, she says, they chose to pay a penalty of at least $695 at tax time.

She figured a businessman like Trump could strike a better deal on behalf of young people; Ruppert liked Trump's repeal-and-replace campaign promise.

But the president and the Republican-dominated Congress are struggling to make good on that pledge. Now Trump predicts the ACA marketplaces will fail.

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.

There's a nice FYGM line somewhere in there where she says she doesn't care if the ACA collapses as long as it does so after she turns 65.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

cmerepaul posted:

Hahahaha why should I accept free training and go find a better job somewhere hahahaha I should just sit here and wait for more coal jobs that will never come because it is literally impossible to start a new life more than 15 miles from home haha nobody has ever done it

What money would they spend to move

Also why would anyone prefer to stay close to their social network

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

My Linux Rig posted:

they would be the first ones to reject that same plan from fdr saying it’s socialism even though it’s exactly what they need

gently caress em, they voted for this poo poo for years, so now they get to reap the benefits

gently caress you, moron

The solution is not writing people off for buying into a lie they've been sold for years, it's to actually loving help them

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Like Jesus Christ did you idiots not learn that writing people off as lost causes is how you lose an election

Philthy
Jan 28, 2003

Pillbug

quote:

"I enrolled in the Affordable Care Act in January 2016, and in March, I had developed a basal cell carcinoma," she says.

The insurance came just in time to pay most of the $7,000 cost to treat the skin cancer. McDermott says Obamacare has been good for her.

Still, McDermott switched like her daughter from voting Democratic and picked Trump. She says his position on restricting immigration was the main reason; she wasn't as focused on health care then.

jfc

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Like Jesus Christ did you idiots not learn that writing people off as lost causes is how you lose an election

What rereg are you?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Like Jesus Christ did you idiots not learn that writing people off as lost causes is how you lose an election

lol tell me more about how to lose an election.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Burt Sexual posted:

What rereg are you?

I'm my own man

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

CharlestheHammer posted:

lol tell me more about how to lose an election.

"We can write off blue collar workers and still win" were some famous last words

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Why would we try to explain to people that it's actually not the fault of black people and Mexicans that they're poor and offer them solutions that they understand when we could just pick up moderate Republican votes, worked real well last November

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Why would we try to explain to people that it's actually not the fault of black people and Mexicans that they're poor and offer them solutions that they understand when we could just pick up moderate Republican votes, worked real well last November

Sure, we could try to end racism, but would that end racism?

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Why would we try to explain to people that it's actually not the fault of black people and Mexicans that they're poor and offer them solutions that they understand when we could just pick up moderate Republican votes, worked real well last November

why did you repeat yourself.

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