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neurotech
Apr 22, 2004

Deep in my dreams and I still hear her callin'
If you're alone, I'll come home.

I want to switch clans - should I wait for the reset on Tuesday or do it before then?

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Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Titan is kind of weird in terms of environment. On the one hand, you've got this huge impressive ocean with those massive waves as your backdrop, and a mostly intact (albeit infested) Golden Age habitat for you to play around in. And then they pretty much disregard all that and have you hop around in a boring industrial oil rig level 90% of the time you are there. I wanna go deeper into whatever weird poo poo is going on in that arcology. Or, hell, give me a Strike on some marooned massive cargo ship that's being thrown around by those giant waves. Just gently caress off with the bland pipes and grates everywhere.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I want to do stuff in that giantass dome briefly glimpsed at the end of the CPU mission.

Skoll
Jul 26, 2013

Oh You'll Love My Toxic Love
Grimey Drawer
I want Sloane to take me to her quarters and beat me while yelling at the top of her lungs for me to submit to the Imperium of Man.

Stringbean
Aug 6, 2010

Perestroika posted:

Titan is kind of weird in terms of environment. On the one hand, you've got this huge impressive ocean with those massive waves as your backdrop, and a mostly intact (albeit infested) Golden Age habitat for you to play around in. And then they pretty much disregard all that and have you hop around in a boring industrial oil rig level 90% of the time you are there. I wanna go deeper into whatever weird poo poo is going on in that arcology. Or, hell, give me a Strike on some marooned massive cargo ship that's being thrown around by those giant waves. Just gently caress off with the bland pipes and grates everywhere.

Right as you enter Titan, they've got cargo containers sliding all over the place. How loving cool would it be to incorporate some of that poo poo into a strike map. Fighting off waves of enemies as a storm rages, tossing containers around. Maybe get in on that giant rear end monster (that we see the shadow of before you nab the CPU).

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Skoll posted:

I want Sloane to take me to her quarters and beat me while yelling at the top of her lungs for me to submit to the Imperium of Man.

:same:

Orv
May 4, 2011

Stringbean posted:

Right as you enter Titan, they've got cargo containers sliding all over the place. How loving cool would it be to incorporate some of that poo poo into a strike map. Fighting off waves of enemies as a storm rages, tossing containers around. Maybe get in on that giant rear end monster (that we see the shadow of before you nab the CPU).

Given how much trouble a similar setup gave Naughty Dog, for whom poo poo like that has been their stock and trade for a while now, I wouldn't expect it in something like Destiny that's under such a massive time crunch.

Spudd
Nov 27, 2007

Protect children from "Safe Schools" social engineering. Shame!

Are there any planets out there with giant gently caress off drills we haven't destroyed yet? Because that will be the next Strike.

Attack on Princess
Dec 15, 2008

To yolo rolls! The cause and solution to all problems!
They'll send a giant drill to the sun and hope the Guardians get drawn there like flies to flame.

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.
The arcology is enormous, the missed opportunity to actually use it is even bigger. Having Titan patrol area limited to just a third of actual playspace, baffling.

So uh... devour warlocks. I tried it today, last class of the three that I rolled. It's waaaay too strong compared to any other build. I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie eventually made it so that killing enemies just add a couple of seconds to the devour duration instead of completely resetting its duration because that poo poo is just bananas.

They really nailed the 'space magic wizard' feel with warlock though. I like charging grenades up with some of the other builds, and the synergy that the melee and grenade abilities often have.

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

neurotech posted:

I want to switch clans - should I wait for the reset on Tuesday or do it before then?

Do it once you think you've gotten all the clan engrams you will this week (the nightfall raid etc ones) as it locks you out of getting them till next reset so doing it on tuesday would be bad

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009

Snuffman posted:

So was Nessus actually their destination?

Nessus is was a big old frozen planet with a really elongated orbit, right? Still part of the Sol system until its eaten by a giant space slug.

No, they're destination was out of the system. The Vex (or someone else) used Vex bullshit (or some other kind of bullshit) to gently caress with Nessus' orbit so the Exodus would crash into it. Their actual destination is mentioned in the Nessus faction armor stuff (The Exodus Black <whatever> piece armors.)

Skoll posted:

Spooky, I don't think you got my joke. They even mention Cayde was once a human before taking some sort of contract and waking up as a more Robo RoboCop.

No, I didn't. I was too busy being a lore autist.

A Buff Gay Dude posted:

Uh it's definitely not certain at all that the things on Fundament were ahamkara, and if anything it's likely they weren't.

Also Rasputin didn't even threaten the traveler, he had a contingency plan to do that but saw what was coming and what it could do and just hid. D2 confirms the traveler specifically chose to stay this time.

The hive's worm gods are described as having 'coiled wings' and 'folded jaws'. The Ahamkara skull that sits on the Young Ahamkara spine, does, in fact, have a split jaw with mandibles. Which may very well fold. They also speak using the same 'o seeker mine' phrasing that's present in basically all of the Ahamkara stuff.

Oh and there's this line from the Books of Sorrow

XLV: I'd shut them all in cells posted:


Verse 5:3 — I'd shut them all in cells.

Prey and Sacrifice —
Uttered by Xivu Arath —
God of War —

HARMONY. When the Traveler passed across Harmony, it lied to the orbits of ten worlds. Now they orbit the black hole. The Traveler lied to the accretion disc, so that it would give warm light to these worlds.

THE GIFT MAST. When the Traveler left Harmony, it made a monument out of the black hole’s polar jet. In the jet there is a hollow mast which sings in radiance. This is the Gift Mast and we will devour it, we will eat the Sky out of it, we will snap it like a bone.

THE HARMONY STING. The Harmony have weaponized their dead star. They can stimulate the accretion disc to fire relativistic plasma jets. We will take the Sting. We will use it to burn their worlds. I will grant one temple of tribute to the first Ascendant to kill a world!

ORYX. I will have the Gift Mast to feast on! I will have it first! I am Xivu Arath and all war is my temple. Beware the daughters of Oryx, for they make and unmake with ease.

SAVATHÛN. The Deceitful Sister will be distracted by arcana and the song of the black hole. Treat her broods with contempt.

THE TRAVELER. We chase it and we will devour it. The Deep will rule the cosmos.

THE DRAGONS. Our gods should be ours alone. Their smug freedom is an insult to me. I’d shut them all in cells. Bring them to me!

The Harmony have dragons, whom Xivu Arath feels to be the same dragons that are their gods, ie, the worm gods.

Also from the following verse, we know these dragons grant wishes.

The Gift Mast posted:

Verse 5:4 — The Gift Mast

The Gift Mast!

It towers above this star system like a monument to treason. It beams with silver light. It sings a radio lullaby, made of soothing lies.

In its light live the Harmony, and they are now our prey.

Now arrives Xivu Arath, at the head of her armada. She fights the Harmony for fifty years with strategies and discipline. But the Harmony turn to dragon-wishes, and their wishful bishops wrestle Xivu in the ascendant plane.

Xivu falls into deadlock.

Next arrives Savathûn, flanked by her chorus and her celebrants. They trick their way onto Ana-Harmony in disguises, so that they might vivisect these dragons. The Worm our God laughs and laughs.

For a hundred years Savathûn keeps secret covens among the Harmony.

But first of all was Oryx, whose brood grew in secret places in the rubble of the accretion disc. The First Navigator sends rocks and comets to crash into the Harmony worlds, so that the Harmony fleet will be disarrayed. He sends seeders to infiltrate the Harmony worlds with his broods.

Here at the center of the fifth book the Hive has grown so mighty that it has made the annihilation of all false life routine.

Xivu Arath kills the wishful bishops, and Savathûn achieves some secret purpose, and Oryx’s Court tears down the Gift Mast. The Harmony people wail in terror, and they throw themselves into the silver lakes of Ana-Harmony to drown.

“Come,” sayeth Oryx, “eat of the Gift Mast, for I am a generous god. Of its pieces, I claim only two out of every five.”

The Mast is full of the Light of the Traveler, it is full of the marrow taste of Sky. All who eat of it are filled with the ecstatic certainty that they serve a great and necessary purpose.

Then sayeth Savathûn, “Siblings, listen, we must part ways a while, so that we may grow different.” She flies her war-moons into the black hole. Her throne becomes distant.

Sayeth Xivu Arath, “King Oryx, you take up too much space, your power constrains too many choices. I must go away from you.” She flies her war-moons away into the night. Her throne is barred shut.

Then Oryx was alone. He spent a while in thought, and those thoughts are recorded here.

Between how they talk, the description, and also that the Hive recognize them as the same creatures as their gods, I'd say it's fair to say that the Ahamkara are the Hive's Worms.

Also the traveller thinking humanity is special and dumb and stupid

cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

__________________

the good fax machine posted:

Finally went flawless in trials, and even did it twice in a row for 14 straight wins. Did it with some bros from lfg, and we didn’t even drop a single round until the 14th game. I’m actually 3/3 now all time on flawless trials cards with lfg groups. I got 4 undefeated medals or whatever it is you get for not dying. Felt really good to finally bust that nut after coming up short on console so many times.

drat, gg

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010
I have just purchased this game and while it is downloading I am wondering how to play it. Like a normal shootmans (run and gun/hide and ambush) or more like a bg?

Zedsdeadbaby
Jun 14, 2008

You have been called out, in the ways of old.

Collateral posted:

I have just purchased this game and while it is downloading I am wondering how to play it. Like a normal shootmans (run and gun/hide and ambush) or more like a bg?

Beegees are good, I like them. Ah ah ah ah stayin' alive.

But Not Tonight
May 22, 2006

I could show you around the sights.

Collateral posted:

I have just purchased this game and while it is downloading I am wondering how to play it. Like a normal shootmans (run and gun/hide and ambush) or more like a bg?

It's halo with a different coat of paint

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Play it like any modern FPS but imagine you only have like 5 health instead of 100-200.

Also everyone QQing swords in PvP... loving JUMP!

If you see someone is loaded on sword ammo (tells you in the killfeed every time someone loads heavy) that’s your queue to move your team’s or your personal position to an open space or high ground, giving you line of sight on the sword guy. When you see him, jump up, use your class jump and shoot him on the way down.

People act like swords are the be all of PvP but really a lot of it is panicking because it’s not easy to aim at someone in melee range, so the tactic is “don’t fight the sword guy up close”

Alternatively wait for sword guy to dive you then double jump straight up and plop a grenade straight down. This has a huge success rate in QP.

Norns
Nov 21, 2011

Senior Shitposting Strategist

Yes let me blink straight it the air and let them swat me on the way down. Good tactic

cvnvcnv
Mar 17, 2013

__________________
I just smg sword bitches all day long, or I'm sitting on Acrius and desperately want every opposing sword and super to come straight for me.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames

Norns posted:

Yes let me blink straight it the air and let them swat me on the way down. Good tactic

Dude if you are directly above them you can shoot them in the face 2-5 times before they can hit you. You know you can aim and fire while jumping right?

Namaer
Jun 6, 2004


I'm interested in getting this but curious how hardware intensive it'll be, my processor isn't quite up to the minimum but my graphics card exceeds it. If i put it on low settings will it chug or is it pretty poo poo computer friendly?

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
Are the open areas all PtP as well? I am having nothing but problems playing the game when in any of the open areas. poo poo lags all to hell then I get a baboon error and am reloaded into a new area with different people and it works fine. It almost feels like i'm getting a lovely p2p connection during the public event, then the host drops and I'm rehosted.

I'm monitoring my network on the other screen, and when stuff "skips" I notice my incoming traffic drops to 0 for a second, then bounces back up to 300 to 800+ Kbps. My Send never drops below 200. If I'm not near other people in the public area's everything is fine. It seems to be once I'm close to other guardians.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Nov 5, 2017

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Yep, everything in this game is P2P for some reason

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

henkman posted:

Yep, everything in this game is P2P for some reason

fuuuuck. So that is why sometimes I can go an hour or two with no issues in public spaces, and then sometimes I get constant dc's? I'm connecting to lovely hosts(am a lovely host?)

Nerdrock
Jan 31, 2006

Namaer posted:

I'm interested in getting this but curious how hardware intensive it'll be, my processor isn't quite up to the minimum but my graphics card exceeds it. If i put it on low settings will it chug or is it pretty poo poo computer friendly?

so long as you have basically any video card at all the game's playable.

bij
Feb 24, 2007

Namaer posted:

I'm interested in getting this but curious how hardware intensive it'll be, my processor isn't quite up to the minimum but my graphics card exceeds it. If i put it on low settings will it chug or is it pretty poo poo computer friendly?

I am in the same boat and the game runs fine. If you end up purchasing the game immediately, the last hotfix introduced a fairly widespread stutter issue but it is on Bungie's end.

EVIL Gibson
Mar 23, 2001

Internet of Things is just someone else's computer that people can't help attaching cameras and door locks to!
:vapes:
Switchblade Switcharoo
Wooooo, now not only do I get crashes when loading, but I also get freezes when I die.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Nerdrock posted:

so long as you have basically any video card at all the game's playable.

Yeah, it's extremely well optimised. I've got an old-as-balls system (Geforce GTX 660 represent :v:) that buckles under the likes of Wolfenstein or BF1, but Destiny runs just fine on medium setings.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

cvnvcnv posted:

I just smg sword bitches all day long, or I'm sitting on Acrius and desperately want every opposing sword and super to come straight for me.

Yeah my experience has basically been to just avoid cutting to the inside of corners when a sword guy's running around and they go down like chumps if you just run backwards and shoot them with an auto rifle. Of course I'm not a big crucible guy so maybe I just play against baddies

Field Mousepad
Mar 21, 2010
BAE

Potential BFF posted:

I am in the same boat and the game runs fine. If you end up purchasing the game immediately, the last hotfix introduced a fairly widespread stutter issue but it is on Bungie's end.

It ran perfectly for me before this last hotfix. Now I get crashes and stutters.

Slab Squatthrust
Jun 3, 2008

This is mutiny!

Pornographic Memory posted:

Yeah my experience has basically been to just avoid cutting to the inside of corners when a sword guy's running around and they go down like chumps if you just run backwards and shoot them with an auto rifle. Of course I'm not a big crucible guy so maybe I just play against baddies

Swords are best when not charging around, but lots of people fail at that. Corner camp with your 3rd person hacks and ambush the first poor bastard to come along.

Yodzilla
Apr 29, 2005

Now who looks even dumber?

Beef Witch

The Gate posted:

Swords are best when not charging around, but lots of people fail at that. Corner camp with your 3rd person hacks and ambush the first poor bastard to come along.

Yep if you want to be a Pro Sword Bro you’ve got to know how to pick your battles, when to retreat, and how to flank enemies.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Yeah if a sword dude is RUNNING at you, it shows you on your radar what direction he is coming from.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Yodzilla posted:

Yep if you want to be a Pro Sword Bro you’ve got to know how to pick your battles, when to retreat, and how to flank enemies.

So, do the same thing good players do with guns.

Waffle House
Oct 27, 2004

You follow the path
fitting into an infinite pattern.

Yours to manipulate, to destroy and rebuild.

Now, in the quantum moment
before the closure
when all become one.

One moment left.
One point of space and time.

I know who you are.

You are Destiny.


But Not Tonight posted:

It's halo with a different coat of paint

if it was halo there'd be warthogs :colbert:

el B
Jan 30, 2004
holler.

Yodzilla posted:

Yep if you want to be a Pro Sword Bro you’ve got to know how to pick your battles, when to retreat, and how to flank enemies.

xzzy posted:

So, do the same thing good players do with guns.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

SpookyLizard posted:

No, they're destination was out of the system. The Vex (or someone else) used Vex bullshit (or some other kind of bullshit) to gently caress with Nessus' orbit so the Exodus would crash into it. Their actual destination is mentioned in the Nessus faction armor stuff (The Exodus Black <whatever> piece armors.)


No, I didn't. I was too busy being a lore autist.


The hive's worm gods are described as having 'coiled wings' and 'folded jaws'. The Ahamkara skull that sits on the Young Ahamkara spine, does, in fact, have a split jaw with mandibles. Which may very well fold. They also speak using the same 'o seeker mine' phrasing that's present in basically all of the Ahamkara stuff.

Oh and there's this line from the Books of Sorrow


The Harmony have dragons, whom Xivu Arath feels to be the same dragons that are their gods, ie, the worm gods.

Also from the following verse, we know these dragons grant wishes.


Between how they talk, the description, and also that the Hive recognize them as the same creatures as their gods, I'd say it's fair to say that the Ahamkara are the Hive's Worms.

Also the traveller thinking humanity is special and dumb and stupid

Nope nope nope, the ahamkara are other creatures that possibly make use of the worm gods or the darkness itself. The hive are pissed that other creatures are accessing their gods and want them dead.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.
Stomp-EE5 and mobility gear is pretty fun with standard double jump. I can almost reach the top of the Church in EDZ. I mean, I don't think there's any point in having it but yeah.

Pozload Escobar
Aug 21, 2016

by Reene

quote:

THE DRAGONS. Our gods should be ours alone. Their smug freedom is an insult to me. I’d shut them all in cells. Bring them to me!

SpookyLizard posted:

The Harmony have dragons, whom Xivu Arath feels to be the same dragons that are their gods, ie, the worm gods.

Bruh you need to reread this. This isn't the best writing, but "Their" doesn't refer to "our gods" it refers to "THE DRAGONS." See below as well* The Ahamkara are the dragons and these dragons either access the hive gods or the power of the hive gods somehow (aka the deep). The Hive are pissed because they believe their gods are the heralds of the Deep and only the hive, as the manifestation of this power and the chosen race that will end the great battle for the universe in the pole position, should have access.

Seriously, re-read it. Xivu can't possibly think the Gods have smug freedom that is an insult to her. So god and dragons are distinct. The dragons/ahamkara somehow access or mess with the hive gods.

quote:

Now arrives Xivu Arath, at the head of her armada. She fights the Harmony for fifty years with strategies and discipline. But the Harmony turn to dragon-wishes, and their wishful bishops wrestle Xivu in the ascendant plane.
Harmony turn to dragon wishes, the wishful bishops are not the dragons either, but the Harmony's special forces empowered by wishes. Through the power of the ahamkara they can access the ascendant plane.

quote:

Next arrives Savathûn, flanked by her chorus and her celebrants. They trick their way onto Ana-Harmony in disguises, so that they might vivisect these dragons. The Worm our God laughs and laughs.
*Savathun kills the dragons, and the Worm God laughs. Dragons and worm gods are different. My personal theory is the Ahamkara directly access the deep without worm gods, see emperor Calus's lore....

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Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.
I'm ilvl 281 and want to do Raid(s). Which Goon clan will take me in?

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