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I’m more concerned by load times but nobody even pretends they’ll fix them.
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Any true FPS elitist would note that it's not just about raw framerates, but frame pacing and frame variance, which is why a game that runs at a rock solid 30fps at all times like Horizon Zero Dawn looks and feels much smoother than the whack-rear end PC port of AssCreed at 45fps.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:10
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Wolfenstein 2 was juuust on the edge of tolerable load times vs how often you die.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:10
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exquisite tea posted:Any true FPS elitist would note that it's not just about raw framerates, but frame pacing and frame variance, which is why a game that runs at a rock solid 30fps at all times like Horizon Zero Dawn looks and feels much smoother than the whack-rear end PC port of AssCreed at 45fps. augh yes a slightly bumpy 60fps drives me far more insane than a steady 30 does
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Nov 7, 2017 00:12
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I’m more concerned by load times but nobody even pretends they’ll fix them. now that ssd’s are getting bigger and more affordable it’s unlikely to change, my friend
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Nov 7, 2017 00:14
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The Colonel posted:look i don't even necessarily disagree that 60fps feels nicer but like. man you really like making this stuff about unapologetic snarky elitism This isn't even elitism, it's just saying "quality of life stuff matters." It's the same as having good config screens or short load times or whatever, except that you deal with those things only once in a while but a framerate lock is always there. TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I’m more concerned by load times but nobody even pretends they’ll fix them. I mean, load times sort of have improved, in the sense that SSDs a) started existing and b) came down in price enough (and up in longevity enough) to be standard. I suppose eventually (or maybe already) we'll see games that just assume that's what people have and they'll start creeping up again.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:16
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Cowcaster posted:now that ssd’s are getting bigger and more affordable it’s unlikely to change, my friend I have a portable ssd for console play and it’s a big improvement on some games.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:16
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:This isn't even elitism, Yes it is
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Nov 7, 2017 00:17
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:I’m more concerned by load times but nobody even pretends they’ll fix them. How come some games have load times when you exit to the Title Screen? I remember hating every time I had to quit Mad Max because it would do that, all I wanted was to close the program.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:17
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I know that a lot of games load up a bunch of online poo poo for the title screen that takes forever to load. Those NBA2K game seem to have terrible loading nonstop because everything has to be connected online at all times. I remember when Half Life 2 got a patch that gave it a static image for the title screen (because loading a map for the title was a pain at the time for a lot of people.)
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Nov 7, 2017 00:24
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Sakurazuka posted:And yet Bloodborne is the best game ever made and runs at (mostly) 30 Yeah but that's despite it's meh frame rate rather than because of it Holy poo poo guys bloodborne at 60fps would be loving nuts, dark souls 1 is such a slick experience when properly tweaked and upscaled with higher def textures I can never play console DS again after that absolutely, grossly incandescent experience
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Nov 7, 2017 00:25
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After gaming for most of my life on PCs that averaged framerates in the 20s for some games, there's no way I'm going back down from 60+ ever since I built my high-spec rig last year.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:27
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I still play Star Fox in 2017 so I can adapt to literally anything.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:29
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:This isn't even elitism, it's just saying "quality of life stuff matters." It's the same as having good config screens or short load times or whatever, except that you deal with those things only once in a while but a framerate lock is always there. i mean if we're talking pc ports sure, there are weird cases like zwei 2 where it's originally a pc game that's just on an engine locked at 30fps for whatever reason that the programmer for the localized release is working to unlock and terrible optimization in actual big western pc ports is poo poo, but wording it as 30fps being literally unplayable is asinine
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Nov 7, 2017 00:30
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:60 vs. 144hz is something that depends on the game Lol it's my post except unironic
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Nov 7, 2017 00:31
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this game is just one frame every 10 seconds, but its a really good frame
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Nov 7, 2017 00:32
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basically if you give me the option to run a game at 60fps i'm never going to not take it, but if 30fps is literally my only option, well, gently caress it i don't care too much
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Nov 7, 2017 00:32
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What's the framerate like on VR games Do you like go blind or something if it's too low/high
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Nov 7, 2017 00:35
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To be serious I think how tolerent your are of anything below 60 fps does vary greatly from person to person and probably has a ton to do with things you can't help and how you process information but it's also an issue where everyone that talks about it assumes that what they need is something everyone needs and everyone else is being stupid.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:35
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Help Im Alive posted:What's the framerate like on VR games 90 to look/feel the best. You don’t go blind but you can start to feel unease if it’s not smooth or gets low enough. With IL-2 VR you had to bind the hud to a hot key to disable it most of the time outside of checking your map, they made it better in a recent update.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:37
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Help Im Alive posted:What's the framerate like on VR games
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Nov 7, 2017 00:39
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PlaystationVR apparently has to be 90fps so I assume that’s the absolute minimum for vr.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:40
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the only "frame" i care about is gold framing all Luigi's Mansion ghosts. yatta
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Nov 7, 2017 00:42
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imo it's probably a general truism that telling people your subjective preference is objective truth is bad and also probably indicative of a lack of properly working brain "you might think you enjoy 30fps games, but actually, you're wrong because i don't enjoy them". like how do you even reach that conclusion. it's like music snobs who go on and on and on about the difference between vinyl and CD or who tell people they're wrong for liking to turn the bass up. me personally i never gently caress with the EQ outside of a few edge cases (Loveless, notably, sounds WAY better to me if you crank the bass, as it was buried in the original master) but i'm not gonna sit here and say it's objectively better that way. poo poo for all i know kevin shields intended the album to be tinny and treble-y.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:43
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oddium posted:the only "frame" i care about is gold framing all Luigi's Mansion ghosts. yatta 
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Nov 7, 2017 00:43
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Samuringa posted:How come some games have load times when you exit to the Title Screen? I remember hating every time I had to quit Mad Max because it would do that, all I wanted was to close the program. I assume it’s to maximise the resources available for running the game during gameplay by dumping all assets from memory that aren’t the gameplay. So then it needs to load that stuff back up. Who knows what other behind the scenes things are happening with cloud saves, networking etc. All stuff that if you have time you can optimize but might be low priority compared to whatever other performance issues they were dealing with.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:46
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Cowcaster posted:i didn’t want to argue about framerates ffs i just wanted to laugh at the guy who was like “it has been Scientifically Proven that framerates above 24 cause Retinal Gout” I don't even want to how bad my eyes are because I play some games at 144fps  The Colonel posted:basically if you give me the option to run a game at 60fps i'm never going to not take it, but if 30fps is literally my only option, well, gently caress it i don't care too much
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Nov 7, 2017 00:48
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I really wish I had a Switch because Mario Odyssey looks like the kind of pure-hearted fun I'd love to play right now. Soon, Mario. Soon.
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Nov 7, 2017 00:49
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The Colonel posted:basically if you give me the option to run a game at 60fps i'm never going to not take it, but if 30fps is literally my only option, well, gently caress it i don't care too much 
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Nov 7, 2017 00:55
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why quit to the title screen at all if you're just going to close the game? there are very very few games where you have to quit to title to save 
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Nov 7, 2017 01:06
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precision posted:why quit to the title screen at all if you're just going to close the game? there are very very few games where you have to quit to title to save Because having to alt+f4 out of a game is bad practice.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:09
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precision posted:why quit to the title screen at all if you're just going to close the game? there are very very few games where you have to quit to title to save It was definitely endemic of lazy console ports. Pretty much every game built for PC has an option quit to desktop.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:10
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what are people doing to their PS4s that make rebuilding the database take hours? we haven't rebuilt ours in like... 2 years... and we're constantly buying, downloading, deleting, re-downloading, deleting, re-downloading tons of games and when i did it just now it took literally 5 minutes
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Nov 7, 2017 01:20
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Olive! posted:Because having to alt+f4 out of a game is bad practice. I meant on console i always Exit To Desktop on PC because i am a good boy
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Nov 7, 2017 01:21
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precision posted:what are people doing to their PS4s that make rebuilding the database take hours? we haven't rebuilt ours in like... 2 years... and we're constantly buying, downloading, deleting, re-downloading, deleting, re-downloading tons of games and when i did it just now it took literally 5 minutes their ps4 is broke op
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Nov 7, 2017 01:31
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I quit to the title screen in any game that doesn't allow manual saving because otherwise I have no idea what the game has actually saved.
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Nov 7, 2017 01:34
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homeless snail posted:this game is just one frame every 10 seconds, but its a really good frame Correct, Myst was awesome
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Nov 7, 2017 01:34
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myst was neat for the time but it's pretty much the dictionary definition of a game that "hasn't aged well"
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Nov 7, 2017 01:37
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It's weird and cool to me that Myst was actually a big phenomenon back in the day. Even my very non-gamer parents had a copy.
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Cowcaster posted:myst was neat for the time but it's pretty much the dictionary definition of a game that "hasn't aged well" I'd say Myst has aged better than basically every other video game. That's not to say the puzzles are great and intuitive but Myst conceptually is a picture hunt you move around in. Basically the entirety of the hidden object genre and the annual Nancy Drew games you've never heard of but sell well enough to justify their development owe their existence to Myst.
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