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Duckbox posted:I just have to laugh at the lack of self awareness in this thread. And now you finally understand what it's like to be a gun owner.
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Dead Reckoning posted:And now you finally understand what it's like to be a gun owner. Yeah America definitely has a cultural animus against guns.
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Dead Reckoning posted:And now you finally understand what it's like to be a gun owner. Yes because cigarettes are used to violently and suddenly remove 26+ people from their lives on a quarterly basis. E: p. Sure Elliot Rogers wasn't wielding a stogie when he was blowing away sorority sisters. E2: think Virginia tech was bad? Imagine that dude with a pack of marlboro. Turtlicious fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Goddammit you fuckers, we just got past cigarette chat and now you have to not only bring it back but fire up gun chat too sdahsdfhksdfhjksdfhkj
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Turtlicious posted:Yes because cigarettes are used to violently and suddenly remove 26+ people from their lives on a quarterly basis. Excuse me but the California Department of Health Services assures me that  
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Yeah that doesn't make the initial argument any less dumb. E: I want to take away your guns 
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Nov 10, 2017 02:42
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We should ban assault cigarettes and extended packs imo
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FCKGW posted:Goddammit you fuckers, we just got past cigarette chat and now you have to not only bring it back but fire up gun chat too sdahsdfhksdfhjksdfhkj For some reason, no matter how many times it happens, people just can't not respond to Dead Reckoning.
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Shbobdb posted:I was working on an app with a friend (tentatively named slpr) that would highlight good places for homeless people to sleep and marking dangerous areas. A modern update of the old hobo code, basically. Outreach was through local shelters (we have good connections there) and ad buys in Street Sheet (they are hilariously open to advertising). We'd make money by allowing companies to blacklist their area for a fee. Since it sounds like ethics isn’t a concern, what if you changed the app so that customers could pay a fee to be notified (or, for an additional upsell, the police could automatically be called) any time a homeless person using the app came near a paid area? Wouldn’t that provide a better user experience than just charging them money to not send homeless people to their premises? It seems like most companies would want their paying customers to like them and willingly pay for the service, is all.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:We should ban Roland Jones posted:Dead Reckoning.
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If you outlaw Dead Reckoning, only outlaws will have Dead Reckoning.
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Instant Sunrise posted:If you outlaw Dead Reckoning, only outlaws will have Dead Reckoning.  hoist with my own petard
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Dead Reckoning posted:Excuse me but the California Department of Health Services assures me that Lmao. I actually sort of do understand where gun owners are coming from despite be a pacifist liberal pussy who hates guns. Arguments that go "some people who use [thing] hurt people, therefore we should ban [thing]" sound really different depending on whether you like [thing] or not. Like, saying that smokers litter and start fires is as true as saying gun owners shoot people, online gamers harass and threaten other players, drivers run people over and pollute the environment, or people who drink cause public disturbances and commit violent crimes. I'm not saying those are all actually the same, or that public safety restrictions are inherently oppressive (I don't want people smoking and brandishing weapons on airplanes either), but most of us had that one teacher who made the whole class miss recess because one student broke the rules and that feeling of being punished for something someone else did pushes that same knee-jerk "it's not fair" response for most people.
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Dead Reckoning posted:And now you finally understand what it's like to be a gun owner. oh i doubt any of us were giants when we were babies
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Colin Mockery posted:Since it sounds like ethics isn’t a concern, what if you changed the app so that customers could pay a fee to be notified (or, for an additional upsell, the police could automatically be called) any time a homeless person using the app came near a paid area? Wouldn’t that provide a better user experience than just charging them money to not send homeless people to their premises? Because the app is for the homeless. You've got to know who your app is for and who is paying for it. If Facebook or Google actively made purchases for you, you wouldn't use them. Because that would be expensive and bad. However, people who have money/influence/power wanting things and you finding a way to navigate that while providing a free service to the people most likely to use it -- that's capitalism. Nobody cares about "good TV". However, advertisers love TV that people watch. Your quote is a good example of why there are so many failed capitalists out there. I'm serious. "Fleecing" is an important concept because the sheep is still alive after you've got the wool.
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Shbobdb posted:Because the app is for the homeless. You've got to know who your app is for and who is paying for it. Yes truly with this mindset we will right all the wrongs of capitalism and find ethical consumption
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Cup Runneth Over posted:Yes truly with this mindset we will right all the wrongs of capitalism and find ethical consumption You are sooooo close to actually making a correct statement here. But then you veer off at the last moment. Try again.
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I don't think it's fair to compare people who construct an identity around gun ownership with people who construct an identity around smoking. Yeah sure the childish sense of entitlement, disregard for the welfare of others, and shrill persecution complex appear similar, but in smokers' defense theirs is a physiological addiction and therefore irrational by definition.
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VitalSigns posted:I don't think it's fair to compare people who construct an identity around gun ownership with people who construct an identity around smoking. 
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stone cold posted:
literally translated that means you got lifted by your own fart, a fine metaphor for politics in general
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VitalSigns posted:I don't think it's fair to compare people who construct an identity around gun ownership with people who construct an identity around smoking. I used to be an occasional cigarette smoker but a big time stoner. Weed was loving up my ability to get things done so I quit and let myself replace it with more cigarettes, because I didn't think I could quit everything at once. It was sort of a devil's bargain, but quitting weed did finally help me get my poo poo together. And the main reason I haven't (really) tried to quit is because I'm terrified of losing my coping mechanism. Guns can be another kind of coping mechanism. They help insecure people feel safe, powerful, and in control. I'm convinced this is why so many gun owners seem to double down after mass shootings. The rest of us think "holy poo poo guns are scary" but they think "I'm scared, I need my guns."
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Duckbox posted:I'm not saying those are all actually the same, or that public safety restrictions are inherently oppressive (I don't want people smoking and brandishing weapons on airplanes either), but most of us had that one teacher who made the whole class miss recess because one student broke the rules and that feeling of being punished for something someone else did pushes that same knee-jerk "it's not fair" response for most people. That was supposed to be a teaching moment where you realized that each individual has a responsibility to the whole group and a role to play in its success.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:literally translated that means you got lifted by your own fart, a fine metaphor for politics in general that would be petar iirc petard is a small bomb
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Kobayashi posted:This is cool learning a lot about California right now. I don't know, laying bare like dissected musculature the sneering elitism and culture war tribalism masquerading as sensible liberal policy on some issues seems like a pretty teachable moment about California politics. I wasn't trying to get super serious about it, but if people you disagree with consistently feel like you're attacking them personally, maybe it is not just them who has made social issues into a personal identity. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Shbobdb posted:Because the app is for the homeless. You've got to know who your app is for and who is paying for it. Are you suggesting that advertisers feel about TV watchers the same way that restaurants and other retailers feel about homeless people? I uh, would dispute that. In my experience, advertisers normally like their viewers and are actually incentivized to drive positive interactions between the viewer and the brand, which seems to be the opposite scenario you’re going for — your customers dislike your viewers and want to get rid of them. How are you going to balance the business needs (“my paying customers want me to get rid of their problem and this is a revenue source”) with the community needs (“homeless people do not like to be treated as a nuisance that should be eradicated”)?
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I'm about 20 minutes into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9623QQ6j8 Sirens started going off in my head when he was asked about automation and the gig economy, he started talking about how much he loves entrepreneurs.
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I'm about 20 minutes into this video: e: Just watched another interview with him. He likes to trot out his 23 small businesses, like as if this makes him look like a hard working genius and not an incredibly rich and connected robot. e: gently caress
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I'm about 20 minutes into this video: Definitely a replicant. Probably a Nexus 5.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Definitely a replicant. Probably a Nexus 5.
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I'm about 20 minutes into this video: Yeah, it's definitely moving into election season, expect new speech circuit videos every few weeks for the rest of the year. He had this one come out a few weeks ago. He's a big work-requirements-being-tied-to-benefits kinda guy. Also he doesn't like mincome unless it's in the context of eliminating all other government assistance programs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnccrPuc6iU El Mero Mero fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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revolther posted:Yes, it does feel unfair when selfish individuals thoughtlessly ruin good things for everyone else around them. That's precisely why we try to impress it upon people as children to be extra considerate and overly cautious because your actions have unforeseen consequences that impact all the people around you. So you were the pathetic teacher's pet who reflexively supported all authority figures no matter how overbearing or vindictive they were being? And you're proud of this? Obviously it's the bad kids' fault you're stuck doing homework during lunch. There's no possible way it was the teacher that ruined things for everyone else.
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Duckbox posted:So you were the pathetic teacher's pet who reflexively supported all authority figures no matter how overbearing or vindictive they were being? And you're proud of this? Obviously it's the bad kids' fault you're stuck doing homework during lunch. There's no possible way it was the teacher that ruined things for everyone else. Welp, to be fair it is bad teaching/classroom management to punish a whole class like that for one kid’s misdeed, because most kids will react as you are reacting. If you want to teach kids that their actions have consequences, it’s very important that they actually experience the natural consequences of their behavior, not ones that the teacher manufactures. But drat dude.
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Hawkgirl posted:Welp, to be fair it is bad teaching/classroom management to punish a whole class like that for one kid’s misdeed, because most kids will react as you are reacting. If you want to teach kids that their actions have consequences, it’s very important that they actually experience the natural consequences of their behavior, not ones that the teacher manufactures. But drat dude. I think how people respond to authority is very important to understanding their political philosophies and those attitudes form early. I spent my whole childhood getting punished for things other kids did (middle child, natch) and after a while it just makes you feel angry and powerless. When you've spent enough hours in detention with guys who just beat you up, you stop believing that rules exist to protect you.
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Duckbox posted:So you were the pathetic teacher's pet who reflexively supported all authority figures no matter how overbearing or vindictive they were being? And you're proud of this? Obviously it's the bad kids' fault you're stuck doing homework during lunch. There's no possible way it was the teacher that ruined things for everyone else. You are still sitting here making excuses for smoking laws and exceptions that are based on, "Because I wanna smoke...", weaving stupid classroom metaphors about loving chewing gum in class or something while simultaneously playing too stupid to understand that "hiring janitors and replacing carpet"*wink-wink* costs money "schools"*wink-wink* can be better off spending elsewhere.
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How many GOP congressional seats could potentially be flipped R to D in 2018 in California alone? Issa? Rohrbacher? Duncan Hunter?
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Zwabu posted:How many GOP congressional seats could potentially be flipped R to D in 2018 in California alone? Eight.
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