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Condiv posted:in the same vein "the general's not the time to try to change the party, the primary is!!" 
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Crazies: OMG Corruption! Me, a reasonable person: What happened friend? Crazies: They put STICKERS on a TABLE! THEY ARE CORRUP! Me, a reasonable perosn: Yes, these stickers aren't great. But even though the DNC should not be involved, they are allowed to be. Who put them there, do we know it was the DNC? Crazies: CENTRIST!
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Nevvy Z posted:Crazies: CENTRIST! It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. It's almost like calling a white person racist, they just freak the gently caress out.
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WampaLord posted:It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. I agree, but I'm pretty sure it's the people who constantly use it.
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"institutional advantages have no effect on the outcome of the primary, they're so worthless you crazy people, just totally useless, btw it's our right as an institution to go all in to make sure our guy wins!"
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Nov 10, 2017 16:12
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"We don't know who put the stickers on the table, but it's definitely corruption from the people we are assuming did it!"
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WampaLord posted:It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. yeah it's p hilarious how it causes centrists like nevvy to melt down
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I'm sure if Republican campaign literature showed up at government buildings in red states during the election, you'd be all "well we don't know for sure the RNC put them there, so no big deal let's not change anything about this situation"
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Nov 10, 2017 16:16
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Nevvy Z posted:"We don't know who put the stickers on the table, but it's definitely corruption from the people we are assuming did it!" what's this dumb stickers on the table argument?
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Nov 10, 2017 16:17
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Condiv posted:what's this dumb stickers on the table argument? Read USPOL condiv. VitalSigns posted:I'm sure if Republican campaign literature showed up at government buildings in red states during the election, you'd be all "well we don't know for sure the RNC put them there, so no big deal let's not change anything about this situation" Not really the same situation. But if you started saying the RNC did it I'd ask you for evidence. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 16:21
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WampaLord posted:It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. Well there is a much better term, but it gets one a six hour probation.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:22
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Nevvy Z posted:I agree, but I'm pretty sure it's the people who constantly use it. *finishes a rant depicting his opponents as crazy retards* "Actually, I'm calm and cool about all this, I think it's actually you that is upset"
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Nov 10, 2017 16:25
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WampaLord posted:It's really really funny that a certain subset of this forum finds this to be the ultimate insult. It's 'cause centrists base their entire political identity on being the good guys on the liberal moral high ground, so when leftists show up and point out all the odious poo poo that centrists support and demand better policies, they go into full defense mode because that strikes directly at the core of their identity.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:28
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Nevvy Z posted:Read USPOL condiv. Who cares, it shouldn't be there. Party events during an election should be neutral too. If you really believe institutional support and advantage mean nothing then there's no reason not to agree since it's useless anyway.
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Nevvy Z posted:Read USPOL condiv. i've read enough to know that i'd have to read jefferson clay posts, and they're not worth it seems like something dumb as usual from him though. you should probably avoid taking up his idiocy
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Condiv posted:i've read enough to know that i'd have to read jefferson clay posts, and they're not worth it He's right about this. 
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Condiv posted:i wonder why centrists feel the need to defend joe manchin, a man whose family is currently making epipens unaffordably expensive. do they just hate people with allergies? I just feel this needs to be reposted. Why anyone would back a monsterous drug profiteer like Manchin is beyond me. Oh hey that word we are not supposed to say could even be word filtered to be interchangeable with centrist. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 16:41
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Nevvy Z posted:He's right about this. Doubtful. Rigging primaries is bad and you and he seem to be arguing that rigging a primary for scum like manchin is instead very good and that's hilariously dumb
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Nov 10, 2017 16:44
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Condiv posted:i wonder why centrists feel the need to defend joe manchin, a man whose family is currently making epipens unaffordably expensive. do they just hate people with allergies? It's 'cause the dem establishment is so garbage at both politics and having a spine that they've convinced themselves that both states and people are somehow unchanging in their politics so that you can't persuade people to vote for you and instead have to run some horrible ghoul that caters to the worst in people in red states. I think it's some sort of coping mechanism to let them live with their political incompetence and cowardice. That this strategy doesn't work goes without saying, just like it goes without saying that the establishment doesn't really care.
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Nov 10, 2017 16:48
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Condiv posted:Doubtful. Rigging primaries is bad and you and he seem to be arguing that rigging a primary for scum like manchin is instead very good and that's hilariously dumb No, I'm arguing that only the dnc has an even theoretical obligation to stay out of the primary and that there's no evidence they were behind the stickers being touted as proof of their corruption.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:05
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Nevvy Z posted:No, I'm arguing that only the dnc has an even theoretical obligation to stay out of the primary and that there's no evidence they were behind the stickers being touted as proof of their corruption. Pattern recognition is such a basic feature of our species that it's amazing to see people without the ability to learn from patterns of the past. How can you see all this news coming out about how the DNC did all this unfair poo poo and then go "Oh, but here, they're totally innocent, we have no idea who might have done it! Hell, maybe the leftists are the one leaving pro-Manchin stickers! WE JUST DON'T KNOW!"
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Cerebral Bore posted:That this strategy doesn't work goes without saying, just like it goes without saying that the establishment doesn't really care. Well, in Manchin's case at least it does work, since he's the incumbent. The argument there becomes whether it's worth the opportunity loss and the long-term damage to the party's brand to continue to support and court pols like Manchin, even in areas where a better candidate supposedly can't win.
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Nevvy Z posted:No, I'm arguing that only the dnc has an even theoretical obligation to stay out of the primary and that there's no evidence they were behind the stickers being touted as proof of their corruption. aka, it's ok to rig their own primaries. dunno why you're asking who set out the stickers at a wv democrats dinner, or trying to cast paula swearengin as a liar guess you love shitstain manchin that much huh?
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maybe you think manchin's gonna work with the gop to lower your taxes nevvy? http://wvmetronews.com/2017/11/08/248491/quote:U.S. Senator Joe Manchin is one of the Democrats in Washington who might be on board with the GOP tax reform package if there are some adjustments made. Manchin added, in an appearance on MetroNews Talkline Wednesday, he’s not the only one. hmm what a great guy manchin is. his daughter keeps lifesaving meds out of the hands of people who need them, and he gives her corporation a nice tax cut Condiv fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Nov 10, 2017 17:16
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Condiv posted:aka, it's ok to rig their own primaries. dunno why you're asking who set out the stickers at a wv democrats dinner, or trying to cast paula swearengin as a liar Lol you can't read.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:18
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Nevvy Z posted:Lol you can't read. why do you think paula swearengin is a liar, but think joe manchin, trump lover and corporate tax slasher, is the best?
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quote:When they started stripmining, I can remember my grandfather saying that he'd bag groceries before he'd blow up mountains. He said it was wrong, and he was a coal miner for 45 years. It's all he ever did. nevvy z: the dnc should have an only theoretical obligation not to lock this person out of the primaries in lieu of a sessions voting, drug price increasing, corporate tax slashing "democrat"
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Condiv posted:why do you think paula swearengin is a liar, but think joe manchin, trump lover and corporate tax slasher, is the best? Look at your continued lack of reading comprehension. 
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Nov 10, 2017 17:36
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Nevvy Z posted:Look at your continued lack of reading comprehension. it's implicit in your argument nevvy. you say there's no proof, but the allegation was made by swearengin herself. ie, you think she's lying it's p sad how you feel the need to defend manchin. do you think the gop tax plan will lower your taxes?
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Condiv posted:it's implicit in your argument nevvy. you say there's no proof, but the allegation was made by swearengin herself. ie, you think she's lying No. No it isn't. Saying someone may be wrong is not the same thing as calling them a liar you poo poo
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Nevvy Z posted:No. No it isn't.
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Falstaff posted:Well, in Manchin's case at least it does work, since he's the incumbent. The argument there becomes whether it's worth the opportunity loss and the long-term damage to the party's brand to continue to support and court pols like Manchin, even in areas where a better candidate supposedly can't win. Having one guy to show for it isn't exactly what I'd call success, especially not regarding how the Blue Dogs got wiped back in the day. Nevvy Z posted:Lol. Living up to the thread title at least. Nah, you also post elsewhere.
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WampaLord posted:Nevvy, if you think the DNC didn't put the stickers there who do you think possibly could have? love how he dodged this too bad you're letting sexism blind you nevvy
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WampaLord posted:Nevvy, if you think the DNC didn't put the stickers there who do you think possibly could have? Like it certainly wasn’t the DNC because they have no involvement here at all. It might have been the WV Democratic Party, it might have been the WV Federation of Democratic Women, it might have been the Manchin campaign. How can we ever have a fair election with all these biased establishment stickers at fundraisers? I really hope we can get to the bottom of this sticker scandal!
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WampaLord posted:Nevvy, if you think the DNC didn't put the stickers there who do you think possibly could have? i mean, paula says exactly who was doing what, but apparently she's just some crazy lady according to nevvy and his sexist friends, so they have to pretend she has no idea what she's talking about https://twitter.com/paulajean2018/status/928450821997629440
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Where can I️ go for interesting and honest discussion about the leftist-liberal divide
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