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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:okay it's cool that Virginia had positive results this past Tuesday but the "Justin Fairfax as a viable presidential candidate" narrative that I'm seeing all over these forums is really insane 3 days after he won his first elected position, Lieutenant Governor. He's a black dude that's actually charismatic (a problem the dems have) and will likely end up running for Governor in 2019. It's not unfeasible to act like the possibility isn't there that if Biden were to hypothetically run in 2020 he would choose him or someone like him as a VP. psydude posted:Also, Dems shouldn't be focused on 2020 right now. They should be focused on sweeping more state and local races next year, defending their Senate seats, and fielding suitable candidates to take over vacant or weak Republican seats in the house. This may mean (ghasp) fielding a range of candidates with different ideological leanings, from centrists to progressives. Agreed. I don't really remember anyone other Clinton and maybe Biden and Edwards visibly pursuing a planned presidential run during the 2006 midterms. The focus needs to be on 2018 right now, full stop.
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what democrats really need is someone like Biden to get out of being an actual politician and be a talking head that 'tells it like it is' in regards to actual loving nazis. Hillary wasn't factually wrong with her deplorable statement, she just didn't have anyone that could say it.
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Rather, she didn't have anyone who could say it without sounding high and mighty. I mean, all you really needed to say was "these guys are nazi sympathizers and confederate losers, gently caress 'em" without sounding like an elitist about it. Biden could likely pull that off, Clinton not so much.
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psydude posted:Also, Dems shouldn't be focused on 2020 right now. They should be focused on sweeping more state and local races next year, defending their Senate seats, and fielding suitable candidates to take over vacant or weak Republican seats in the house. This may mean (ghasp) fielding a range of candidates with different ideological leanings, from centrists to progressives. The problem is if you keep putting "centrists" in power you really haven't fixed anything that led to this crap, We'll end up with what happened the last time around, Dems in power for a bit, red hats take over again, and we'll be here in 2028 with another wave of broke brained idiots in power.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Rather, she didn't have anyone who could say it without sounding high and mighty. I mean, all you really needed to say was "these guys are nazi sympathizers and confederate losers, gently caress 'em" without sounding like an elitist about it. Biden could likely pull that off, Clinton not so much. exactly. So could Franken. Hell jon stewart is retired hire him to help with campaigns.
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:Whoever democrats run, they need a good VP to go with it because god drat I don't even remember who hillary's VP was. Hillary needed someone like Biden or Franken that could be her attack dog, not a limp dick nice guy. Her supporters especially seem to have forgotten him, judging by how many #ImWithHer #Resistance types post about how supporting pro-choice candidates is non-negotiable. Except for putting them one heartbeat from the presidency I guess? He was one of the most dispiriting signs of the Clinton campaign, because it's obvious she chose him for being someone who would not challenge her, and for her sympathy with the right edge of the party. She would have been a terrible president. Not as epically bad as Trump of course.
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Best Friends posted:Her supporters especially seem to have forgotten him, judging by how many #ImWithHer #Resistance types post about how supporting pro-choice candidates is non-negotiable. Except for putting them one heartbeat from the presidency I guess? She would have been a terrible figure head. Can you imagine hillary trying to ban guns after this Texas shooting? She would have been asked point blank if we should ban all guns, she would have said yes, and then republicans sweep 2020.
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I guess my disconnect is that I'm probably considered a dirty centrist and I'm ok with slow, progressive movement to the left if it means that we don't have literal robber barons and lunatics in power. Of course I fully recognize that my demographic advantage lets me get away with this while plenty of other people are suffering. But drat people.
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:exactly. So could Franken. Hell jon stewart is retired hire him to help with campaigns. I'm also heartened that the Latino Victory Ad that ran against Gillispie that pretty much called him a racist islamophobe didn't cause any issues for Northam despite Gillispie and the GOP crying about it being unfair and harmful, despite running ads themselves that said that Northam liked Child Molesters and MS-13. If Northam won by 2-3 points, I might concede that it wouldn't be a good idea to go down that path in the future, but he won by 9 loving points. If the shoe fits, loving throw it at 'em. Also the youth turnout in VA was insane for a non-presidential election. I really hope they take note of this and build upon it.
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Smiling Jack posted:The NRO patches are 100% legit works of art which usually have a hidden reference to something about the mission and they should really be in a museum somewhere. Typically when a patch is designed well every symbol on it means something. When I worked on Minotaur launches the stars would represent all the previous launches. Usually what the different figures represent is way more literal than you might expect. They're also not really taken all that seriously. Sometimes you luck out and find somebody in the office who's motivated and an excellent graphic designer, sometimes you just task the most junior guy. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Spacman posted:I am going to buy you an AV based on that. He already has a Star Wars av? Maybe have Al! add a pixel american flag to it.
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bird cooch posted:Duckworth/franken 2020 yuuuuuuuuuup
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KildarX posted:The problem is if you keep putting "centrists" in power you really haven't fixed anything that led to this crap, We'll end up with what happened the last time around, Dems in power for a bit, red hats take over again, and we'll be here in 2028 with another wave of broke brained idiots in power. Yeah that's great and all but your point is moot anyway if they can't get elected in the first place. It's easy to forget in our liberal echo chamber here that a lot of people are just as afraid of radical progressives as they are of Trump. Change takes place incrementally and has been drifting slowly leftward over the past 30 years. 7 years ago, Obamacare was considered a radical left-wing policy. Now it's considered a centrist policy. In another 4-8 years, UHC will be considered a centrist policy. Look at other social policies like gay marriage: back in the 1990s, DADT was considered a liberal policy. Now it's considered regressive, but it paved the way for normalization of gay and transgender rights. The Democratic party needs liberals to keep nudging the policies left, but it needs centrists that can gently bring more conservative people along in the direction. Don't believe me? The Obama era saw the most sweeping adoption of progressive policies since Johnson's Great Society. And despite Republicans' best efforts, they're sticking because they're now taken for granted as the norm by most Americans. psydude fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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bird cooch posted:Duckworth/franken 2020 
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bird cooch posted:Duckworth/franken 2020 Wonder how much poo poo Duckworth would get for having personally killed brown people? Has she denounced her service as an imperial invader yet? E: thought she was an apache pilot, guess she is only tangentially responsible for war crimes Poppyseed Poundcake fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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hell shed get a lot of r votes to make up for it
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It has to be Franken/Duckworth just so people have to say it in seriousness out loud.
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bird cooch posted:Duckworth/franken 2020 Ok so I have gently caress and marry but who is kill on that list????
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Wonder how much poo poo Duckworth would get for having personally killed brown people? Has she denounced her service as an imperial invader yet? you joke, but I think we all know we're going to hear "WAR MONGER" or "War Criminal!" shouted unironically by idiots if she throws her hat into the ring.
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bird cooch posted:Duckworth/franken 2020 This is the ticket that would get me in the streets being a DuckWarrior.
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how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Wonder how much poo poo Duckworth would get for having personally killed brown people? Has she denounced her service as an imperial invader yet? From the vast majority of people? None. From a few broke-brained losers in D&D? A little. Seems like a non-factor, really. Even in D&D you'll see some guy try to start up an argument about Mattis being a baby killer every now and then but nobody really bites.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone I’m pretty sure Putin has killed people.
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i think thats part of the inauguration ceremony
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Woof Blitzer posted:Bernie i think about how bernie would handle putin and nooooope
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone
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Woof Blitzer posted:Bernie would of won
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:would of won might’ve
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my mom voted for him bc of the bird landing on the podium
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Gobbeldygook posted:George H.W. Bush bombed some people in WW2. If we're counting pilots than George McGovern probably had the highest personal killcount of any candidate, dude flew 35 missions in a B-24 for the 15th Air Force in World War II.
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Harry Truman. Artillery officer in WW1. Dwight Eisenhower.
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M_Gargantua posted:He already has a Star Wars av? Maybe have Al! add a pixel american flag to it. Honestly, I'm going to treat this like your elections.
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I don't think we have any Russian posters you can ask about which outcome they prefer.Nostalgia4Butts posted:how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone Bill Clinton, duh sheeple.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:how long has it been since we had a president that personally killed someone Legally?
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Gobbeldygook posted:George H.W. Bush bombed some people in WW2. He dropped defective torpedos so he may not have actually killed anyone.
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Actually, this poo poo is backwards... If your head of state hasn't domed a fuking terrorist recently, what the hell are they doing representing you? Spacman fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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Best Friends posted:Her supporters especially seem to have forgotten him, judging by how many #ImWithHer #Resistance types post about how supporting pro-choice candidates is non-negotiable. Except for putting them one heartbeat from the presidency I guess? Tim Kaine getting the VP pick was some hard-core beltway politicking. It was Hillary to the core. The assumption was that with a Clinton victory Kaine's seat in the Senate would be open. VA governor (and longtime Clinton ally) Terry McAuliffe would appoint himself to the seat, giving Clinton a close ally in the Senate and then Ralph Northam would become governor and have the advantage of incumbency and close Washington allies going into 2017. Kaine's also super-popular in VA and probably secured the state for Clinton in 2016, for all the good it did us.
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lol the Democrats lost 1000+ seats nationally while Barack 'Grand Bargain' Obama was in office and the best 'progressive' victory you can find is him passing a two decade old Republican health plan. Centrism has been a disaster for the left and most importantly the vast majority of this country. Everyone who supports this 'status quo' or incremental bullshit should be called out and if they don't change, thrown out.
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