Comic Book Movie Megathread: Bubble? What bubble?

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viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Vintersorg posted:

You're a moron.

I never said you're not allowed to like bad films; stop taking this so personal.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 02:29

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# ? May 27, 2024 10:10

Gatts: Jan 2, 2001; Goodnight Moon; Nap Ghost

josh04 posted:

pre:

Warner Brothers movie pitch lab, int:

        ZACK SNYDER
What if Justice League... but in colour?

EXECUTIVES APPLAUD

That's why everything has a godawful shade of red isn't it? Make note please, stop listening to fanboys.

Let good creators create their vision and present their art. It's better that way.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 02:44

Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

viral spiral posted:

I never said you're not allowed to like bad films; stop taking this so personal.

viral spiral: "Welp, time to take my daily poo poo. Which way to the Comic Book Movie thread?"

# ? Nov 12, 2017 02:46

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

Gatts posted:

That's why everything has a godawful shade of red isn't it? Make note please, stop listening to fanboys.

Let good creators create their vision and present their art. It's better that way.

He did and then left for personal reasons, leaving a fanboy to run the show

# ? Nov 12, 2017 02:58

Davros1: Jul 19, 2007; You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

But what if he left notes?

DUN DUN DUN

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:13

Super Fan: Jul 16, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

Snyders biggest crime is handing the keys to Whedon. What a blunder.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:48

The MSJ: May 17, 2010

More JL reaction tweets.

The MSJ fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 03:50

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

josh04 posted:

^ howdy.

They said that people's first impressions of a film are largely determined by how well it meets their expectations, and that's why TDK, the film in which Bale's Batman largely acts out the power fantasy of Batman straight, was more well-received than TDKR, a film which repeatedly subverts our expectations of a Batman film (Bale is aging, he's physically worn, his opponents aren't criminals but popular revolutionaries).

Nah. TDKR just wasn't as good as the first two. I like the whole trilogy but rank them in chronological order. I could have done without Harvey in the second one - or at least portraying his entire arc anyway.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:39

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

BiggerBoat posted:

Nah. TDKR just wasn't as good as the first two. I like the whole trilogy but rank them in chronological order. I could have done without Harvey in the second one - or at least portraying his entire arc anyway.

The whole Dent arc in TDK would actually work if he had been in Batman Begins in a secondary role (ideally Rachel's boss, except he doesn't get killed by Falcone's goons). As it is, TDK spends all this time telling us that he's Gotham's white knight and its savior, but Dent spends most of his time in the movie being an arrogant jackwagon. It's played as a tragic downfall but there's nothing ever really admirable about him to begin with.

In terms of movies reaching for emotional beats that they haven't earned, the sadness over Dent in TDK isn't quite as bad as when Star Trek Into Darkness tries to make us feel Spock's anguish when Kirk dies (despite them spending most of the movie hating each other, just like in '09), but it's not terribly far off.

Timby fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:56

Super Fan: Jul 16, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

I just remembered Katie Holmes character in Begins. I take it back, that movie is kinda bad.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:01

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

josh04 posted:

They said that people's first impressions of a film are largely determined by how well it meets their expectations, and that's why TDK, the film in which Bale's Batman largely acts out the power fantasy of Batman straight, was more well-received than TDKR, a film which repeatedly subverts our expectations of a Batman film (Bale is aging, he's physically worn, his opponents aren't criminals but popular revolutionaries).

I don't know if having the same arc as the biggest Batman comic ever is really subverting expectations.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:09

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

When people say that JL "fixes the problems with DCEU heroes" or "it gets the heroes right" do they mean that JL presents them without any kind of internal conflict, they are purely good, or what?

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:46

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

The cynic in me thinks that means "They would fit like a glove on the MCU"

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:51

Xealot: Nov 25, 2002; Showdown in the Galaxy Era.

Mr. Apollo posted:

When people say that JL "fixes the problems with DCEU heroes" or "it gets the heroes right" do they mean that JL presents them without any kind of internal conflict, they are purely good, or what?

A great question. However weird or unsuccessful BvS was to people, its decision to depict Batman as a violent psychopath explicitly motivated by trauma was a goddamn great choice.

Marvel movies becoming the pace car for this type of studio production is getting sad. Risk aversion in filmmaking is a super bleak thing to champion.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:56

hiddenriverninja: May 10, 2013; life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

How many THAT'S MY BATMAN tweets will we see on Friday? :grin:

# ? Nov 12, 2017 06:06

Vintersorg: Mar 3, 2004; President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club

More than last time for sure. People cannot accept any different takes on these characters.

But vampire Batman is a-ok. 👌🏻

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:01

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

We need a Batman vs Dracula movie.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:10

Dark_Tzitzimine: Oct 9, 2012; by R. Guyovich

Inescapable Duck posted:

We need a Batman vs Dracula movie.

It has been done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok6Af3tI0hw

Also, there's a Batman VS Jack the Ripper one coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6340tX9M_eM

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:16

Vegetable: Oct 22, 2010

The MSJ posted:

More JL reaction tweets.

These early reaction tweets are garbage. I've seen the equivalent of these for every Marvel and Star Wars film and they basically tells you nothing.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:16

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

"Justice League is a movie that exists on film in a theater. I saw it and it features actors playing characters. There are special effects. The actors repeat lines that were written for them on a script."

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:28

SolidSnakesBandana: Jul 1, 2007; Infinite ammo

All those reviews read like they want to say good things, but also don't want to hurt the movie's feelings.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:35

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

So the villain poster for black panther has the tagline "his peoples pride" does that mean its going to be about a rich monarch using special technology to put down a populist uprising

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:50

The MSJ: May 17, 2010

Those early JL responses seems to be pretty consistent in their praise of the characters. Suicide Squad was a bit like that where the movie was considered bad but people loved Deadshot and Harley.

Uncle Wemus posted:

So the villain poster for black panther has the tagline "his peoples pride" does that mean its going to be about a rich monarch using special technology to put down a populist uprising

I think it�s more his people as in his tribe?

The movie sounds like what is happening in Saudi Arabia today where the more moderate heir to the throne wants to open up the country but some rebels wants them to remain conservative and exclusive.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:03

KVeezy3: Aug 18, 2005; Airport Music for Black Folk

Mr. Apollo posted:

When people say that JL "fixes the problems with DCEU heroes" or "it gets the heroes right" do they mean that JL presents them without any kind of internal conflict, they are purely good, or what?

The ethics or morality of current comic book superheros are perfunctory to the actual essence: how vicariously the viewer can live through them.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:00

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Timby posted:

The whole Dent arc in TDK would actually work if he had been in Batman Begins in a secondary role (ideally Rachel's boss, except he doesn't get killed by Falcone's goons). As it is, TDK spends all this time telling us that he's Gotham's white knight and its savior, but Dent spends most of his time in the movie being an arrogant jackwagon. It's played as a tragic downfall but there's nothing ever really admirable about him to begin with.

You've accurately described what happens in the movie but you seem to think it's a mistake?

Worse, one that could be rectified by going back and inserting some nudge-wink references into a different movie.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

I don't know if having the same arc as the biggest Batman comic ever is really subverting expectations.

You may have to elaborate.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:57

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

josh04 posted:

You may have to elaborate.

The Dark Knight Returns features an aging Bruce Wayne who returns to the role of Batman after a decade-long absence, and who suffers a humiliating defeat the first time he faces the Mutant Gang leader. I admit saying it had the same arc might have been a bit inaccurate given they end in different places.

It's hardly the only source of inspiration (No Man's Land and Knightfall are the obvious other stories Rises draws from) but it's one of the most influential and well-regarded Batman stories of all time. It helped redefine people's expectations of a Batman story, so while the idea of an old Batman returning to the field might once have been a bold idea now it's one of the standard concepts for a story (see also Batman v Superman).

# ? Nov 12, 2017 11:37

Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

All those reviews read like they want to say good things, but also don't want to hurt the movie's feelings.

The trend across a lot of those reviews seems to be "Flash is great! Aquaman is great! Wonder Woman is okay. Batman is .... also in the film" which is slightly worrying seeing as Bruce is apparently the linchpin holding the entire film together.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 11:42

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
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Doctor Spaceman posted:

The Dark Knight Returns features an aging Bruce Wayne who returns to the role of Batman after a decade-long absence, and who suffers a humiliating defeat the first time he faces the Mutant Gang leader. I admit saying it had the same arc might have been a bit inaccurate given they end in different places.

It's hardly the only source of inspiration (No Man's Land and Knightfall are the obvious other stories Rises draws from) but it's one of the most influential and well-regarded Batman stories of all time. It helped redefine people's expectations of a Batman story, so while the idea of an old Batman returning to the field might once have been a bold idea now it's one of the standard concepts for a story (see also Batman v Superman).

Well, the subversion would come from the way that in Rises, Bane - rather than being a mute thug - is erudite and explicitly intellectual. Bane, rather than Batman, is the one who marshals the disaffected youth of the city into a vigilante army, and Batman gets his rear end handed to him both times he tries to fight Bane rather than making a triumphant comeback.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 11:53

Rough Lobster: May 27, 2009; Don't be such a squid, bro

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

The trend across a lot of those reviews seems to be "Flash is great! Aquaman is great! Wonder Woman is okay. Batman is .... also in the film" which is slightly worrying seeing as Bruce is apparently the linchpin holding the entire film together.

"What about Cyborg?"

"Who? Oh,..."

# ? Nov 12, 2017 17:06

Davros1: Jul 19, 2007; You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

hiddenriverninja posted:

How many THAT'S MY BATMAN tweets will we see on Friday?

I don't think it'll be that blatant, but I'm already seeing people complain about not getting the JL they want

# ? Nov 12, 2017 17:32

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

JL is your coworker's ugly baby

# ? Nov 12, 2017 17:50

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

For anyone seeing it here, I'm eager to know if Steppenwolf's armor is as lovely looking as it is in the trailers. I mean that COULDN'T have been finished right? It straight up looked untextured.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 18:47

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD: Sep 14, 2007; everything is yours

Vegetable posted:

These early reaction tweets are garbage. I've seen the equivalent of these for every Marvel and Star Wars film and they basically tells you nothing.

Yeah.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 21:10

DeimosRising: Oct 17, 2005; �Hola SEA!

They tell you what the tastemaker narrative is going to be. The internet dork cognoscenti hype machine is a big part of the Disney system's success

# ? Nov 12, 2017 21:17

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

got any sevens posted:

JL is your coworker's ugly baby

The kid sure is ugly but that doesn't mean I want Zack Snyder to shoot it.

And I definitely don't want Joss Whedon touching it.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 21:45

well why not: Feb 10, 2009

DeimosRising posted:

The internet dork cognoscenti hype machine

Mods I implore you

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:26

Davros1: Jul 19, 2007; You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible

Lobok posted:

The kid sure is ugly but that doesn't mean I want Zack Snyder to shoot it.

And I definitely don't want Joss Whedon touching it.

Whedon's JL is your co-worker's ugly baby.

Snyder's JL is your ugly baby

# ? Nov 12, 2017 22:51

The MSJ: May 17, 2010

Lobok posted:

And I definitely don't want Joss Whedon touching it.

According to his ex, Whedon sure did his share of touching.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 00:07

Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

Xealot posted:

However weird or unsuccessful BvS was to people, its decision to depict Batman as a violent psychopath explicitly motivated by trauma was a goddamn great choice.

I also liked the �maybe Superman is just a guy trying to do the right thing� depiction.

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# ? May 27, 2024 10:10

Punkin Spunkin: Jan 1, 2010

Vintersorg posted:

You're a moron.

checks out. There are plenty of reasons to criticize BvS but the whole MARTHA thing is some willfully dumb comic book movie reviewer hot take poo poo ala the people who were like BEN GRIMM GOT MOLESTED AS A CHILD in the last failed Fantastic Four movie attempt.
Like who watches that scene and interprets it as a literal DUHH BATMAN STOPPED CUZ DA MAN HAD SAME MOM NAME. Maybe hearing his mom's name, realizing Clark was also a being with a mother and not some evil exotic thing, etc. brings him into a moment of reflection and realization in regards to the actions he's taken and how far gone he is?
nah lol they had the same name!!!

# ? Nov 13, 2017 04:05

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