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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

did venezuela go through with making bitcoin their official currency then

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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

stable currency

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

got any sevens posted:

stable currency

but you might be rich now if you had bitcoin when it was worthless

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Bitcoin is funny money it isn’t part of any economy

Poniard
Apr 3, 2011



hey man you could be rich right now if you knew exactly what was going to happen a decade in advance

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



loving finally

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

loving finally

wait til russia finally pulls out

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Poniard posted:

hey man you could be rich right now if you knew exactly what was going to happen a decade in advance

i hope they dont remake bttf2 with buttcoins instead of sports almanac

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/thinkprogress/status/929559397843505152

I lust for Uber death

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

got any sevens posted:

i hope they dont remake bttf2 with buttcoins instead of sports almanac

i hope that they decide to only remake bttfp2

Manic Technophile
Nov 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless
Global Capitalism: China’s Economy Now, Its Growth and Global Impact w/ Prof. Richard Wolff [November 2017]

1. Monopolies proliferating with dangerous economic consequences
2. 21 st century socialism and worker cooperatives
3. Catalonia: nationalism and capitalism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPv8gpZSpqI

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


https://twitter.com/MegalodonTeflon/status/926241789203353607

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

thats because its to drive down wages lol

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/930154433908002816

normal economy

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/930067875834056704

tick tick tick...

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




lol it still needs a human in the seat to handle all of the hard stuff whose automated solution has been 5 years away for 15 years, and for wider non-standard deployments one to handle the stuff like manifests and return inspections

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Epic High Five posted:

lol it still needs a human in the seat to handle all of the hard stuff whose automated solution has been 5 years away for 15 years, and for wider non-standard deployments one to handle the stuff like manifests and return inspections

The point is that the human in question now can be slightly more sleep deprived, requiring less necessary labor, and therefore justifying a real decrease in wages via stagnation in nominal wage.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Ruzihm posted:

The point is that the human in question now can be slightly more sleep deprived, requiring less necessary labor, and therefore justifying a real decrease in wages via stagnation in nominal wage.

A trucker's worth isn't in having people sign forms, it's in being willing to be there in the first place. Insurance companies will demand a trucker we present and awake in there at all times, because if not those trucks are gonna get loving robbed to poo poo all the time because the AI will not be programmed to kill people trying to force it to stop like a sleep deprived trucker on speed will

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Epic High Five posted:

A trucker's worth isn't in having people sign forms, it's in being willing to be there in the first place. Insurance companies will demand a trucker we present and awake in there at all times, because if not those trucks are gonna get loving robbed to poo poo all the time because the AI will not be programmed to kill people trying to force it to stop like a sleep deprived trucker on speed will

Agreed! The point is that offloading the task of driving ever more off the trucker lets the company over work them to the point where they can't fully drive on their own, but they can still do their other profitable tasks (such as shooting people or whatever).

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Epic High Five posted:

lol it still needs a human in the seat to handle all of the hard stuff whose automated solution has been 5 years away for 15 years, and for wider non-standard deployments one to handle the stuff like manifests and return inspections

But the good news is all of the truckers they can fire and/or force to babysit a glorified GPS/cruise-control for 18h/day, while paying them less than minimum wage.

Ruzihm posted:

The point is that the human in question now can be slightly more sleep deprived, requiring less necessary labor, and therefore justifying a real decrease in wages via stagnation in nominal wage.
Figures I'd check for new posts and see someone saying the exact same thing. It's almost like the decline of society is reliably/predictably bad when the motive is always profit. :v:

Epic High Five posted:

A trucker's worth isn't in having people sign forms, it's in being willing to be there in the first place. Insurance companies will demand a trucker we present and awake in there at all times, because if not those trucks are gonna get loving robbed to poo poo all the time because the AI will not be programmed to kill people trying to force it to stop like a sleep deprived trucker on speed will
Watch as one dude paid to operate 1 robotruck remotely (when the driver is asleep) gets handed 5~10 to cut corners, with disastrous results.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't think you can hire truckers for less than what they're making now because it's such a soul crushing job. Make it even more soul crushing and people will just refuse to do it, as has been the case lately.

also it's absolutely going to be the case that 5-10 trucks end up being monitored remotely and a shitload of people die as a result

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Epic High Five posted:

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't think you can hire truckers for less than what they're making now because it's such a soul crushing job.

capital: hold my beer

Epic High Five posted:

also it's absolutely going to be the case that 5-10 trucks end up being monitored remotely and a shitload of people die as a result
:hai:

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



its gonna be a platoon of self-driving trucks with two security guards for the whole robo-caravan

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
every drone truck will have a flying drone turret to repel attackers.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Truck drivers now are actually brutally exploited and hosed over regularly, Street Fight covered this a while back. It's a super loving grim industry, where desperate people see billboards advertising "need a job now?! we'll put you in a truck right away" and get locked into a super exploitative contract where if they get injured or something the company can actually keep their wages to pay off the "truck lease." Or worse yet, a bunch of drivers pull in at the end of the day and the manager locks the gate and tells them to get back out there to run another shipment. It's incredibly loving grim and abusive, and we desperately need another Roosevelt-style President to smack the poo poo out of these fuckers.

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




Eurotruck simulator is actually kinda fun and relaxing. But being a real truck driver means being alienated from your labor and a debt peon and all that jazz

The Dipshit
Dec 21, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

Holy poo poo, read an article on it, and it was "They only lost 10 cents a share instead of 40" and that caused their stock to skyrocket. They didn't lose as much money as expected. That's all it takes to become a billionaire now. drat.

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




Taintrunner posted:

Truck drivers now are actually brutally exploited and hosed over regularly, Street Fight covered this a while back. It's a super loving grim industry, where desperate people see billboards advertising "need a job now?! we'll put you in a truck right away" and get locked into a super exploitative contract where if they get injured or something the company can actually keep their wages to pay off the "truck lease." Or worse yet, a bunch of drivers pull in at the end of the day and the manager locks the gate and tells them to get back out there to run another shipment. It's incredibly loving grim and abusive, and we desperately need another Roosevelt-style President to smack the poo poo out of these fuckers.

I heard this on SFR too, but I forget the original source. Do you remember it?

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Taintrunner posted:

Truck drivers now are actually brutally exploited and hosed over regularly, Street Fight covered this a while back. It's a super loving grim industry, where desperate people see billboards advertising "need a job now?! we'll put you in a truck right away" and get locked into a super exploitative contract where if they get injured or something the company can actually keep their wages to pay off the "truck lease." Or worse yet, a bunch of drivers pull in at the end of the day and the manager locks the gate and tells them to get back out there to run another shipment. It's incredibly loving grim and abusive, and we desperately need another Roosevelt-style President to smack the poo poo out of these fuckers.

charging your employees to work for you through some usurious loan is the way its done now

its what ubers doing with giving their own drivers lovely car loans

the government and the broader finance sector also run the same racket on anyone who wants to go to college

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Epic High Five posted:

A trucker's worth isn't in having people sign forms, it's in being willing to be there in the first place. Insurance companies will demand a trucker we present and awake in there at all times, because if not those trucks are gonna get loving robbed to poo poo all the time because the AI will not be programmed to kill people trying to force it to stop like a sleep deprived trucker on speed will

how do you steal a truckload of appliances, i asked jamesbondishly

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



LegoPirateNinja posted:

how do you steal a truckload of appliances, i asked jamesbondishly

well if it's an AI controlled one entirely, you just block both lanes in front of it and slow down. It will stop before it runs you over.

Or just wait until they stop to automatically get gassed up or whatever and do the pagan salt circle around it so that it can't leave while you crack it open

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




wait why are we assuming the AI wont be programmed to kill people

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Rated PG-34 posted:

wait why are we assuming the AI wont be programmed to kill people

at this stage it will not be, because rogue AIs running people down would strangle the technology in the cradle

after complete saturation? absolutely they will be

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



they'll kill people and then little crawlers will pop out of the truck to plant weed and booze bottles on the destroyed body of the person who just got killdozered

Manic Technophile
Nov 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

LegoPirateNinja posted:

how do you steal a truckload of appliances, i asked jamesbondishly

Agronox
Feb 4, 2005

I always love reading poo poo like this:

self driving truck article posted:

According to the American Trucking Associations, the industry is now short 50,000 drivers. As current drivers retire or quit, that number could hit 175,000 by 2024. Cut down the need for the human, and that shortage stops being a problem.

This is a market system, and there's not a tremendous lead time for CDL training (six months or so, right?). If you want to get rid of a "shortage" you RAISE WAGES YOU ASSHOLES.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Agronox posted:

I always love reading poo poo like this:


This is a market system, and there's not a tremendous lead time for CDL training (six months or so, right?). If you want to get rid of a "shortage" you RAISE WAGES YOU ASSHOLES.

was it WSJ that ran an article that was like, "We just can't figure out why wages aren't rising even though productivity and wealth generated has been climbing for 40+ years????"

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Rated PG-34 posted:

wait why are we assuming the AI wont be programmed to kill people

You can buy a cell jammer for cheap, so something with a directional antenna probs won't cost much more. (if they use satellite relays for middle-of-loving-nowhere backup connection) because they aren't gonna be using military-grade hardware encryption or anything that can overpower a focused attack. Could probably rig something up by taking apart a microwave oven, just to cook its transceiver. And there's no way it won't have a failsafe "system error, stop this poo poo now"

So people are going to gather at truckstops and/or find a way to make roadblocks, wait until the truck comes to a stop and jam it like Lonestar (or just approach from the side and break its antennas) so it can't even call the police while they steal its control unit. :laugh:



e:

Rated PG-34 posted:

I heard this on SFR too, but I forget the original source. Do you remember it?
oh also yeah, my brother trucked for a couple of years, and the company made him pay for repairs on their crappy truck that kept breaking down every other month, while they kept his paycheck (when he was making deliveries) to pay the lease. He had negative income almost the whole time he was working for them, but I think he's managed to pay off the debt they shoved onto him. Somehow he managed not to lose his house after getting 6mo behind on his mortgage, the bank probably knew if they forclosed it would immediately become a squatter/crackhead den because lol Knoxville.

silentsnack fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Nov 13, 2017

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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Epic High Five posted:

well if it's an AI controlled one entirely, you just block both lanes in front of it and slow down. It will stop before it runs you over.

Or just wait until they stop to automatically get gassed up or whatever and do the pagan salt circle around it so that it can't leave while you crack it open

that's the easy part. then you have to remove the merchandise, all while the AI truck is logging the event and the security contractor is already on the phone with police.

im no truck heist expert, but it doesnt seem like the presence of a gun-toting driver is the biggest obstacle

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