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Kashuno posted:What is a game that does a market row well and why It comes up frequently, but the deckbuilder Valley of the Kings does it very well. I think that's for two main reasons: 1.) You stack the deck, so that there is a starting tier, and then a more advanced tier. The game is balanced so that stuff in the first tier prepares you to buy stuff in the second. This also makes it more predictable. 2.) The market is in the shape of a three layered pyramid. Only the bottom row may be bought from, but there are many ways to juke that rule. When you buy a card you 'crumble' the pyramid, allowing you to make choices about what cards are available to your opponents, and what might be available on your turn. Both of those mechanics serve to add more information and choice to the market row concept.
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Castles of Mad King Ludwig also has a market row that's done well (but it isn't a deck builder). That's accomplished by putting a lot of choice and strategy into how the row is assembled. Each turn there's a 'master builder' role, who is responsible for assigning prices to the pieces on the market row. Each turn the pieces also become less expensive, leading some pieces to even earn you money as you gain them. Both of those in conjunction add a lot of choice and depth.
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Crackbone posted:None really, if you want a balanced deckbuilder. There's lots of game that aren't deckbuilders that use market rows though - the balancing is making new cards expensive as they come out and get cheaper over time. For some reason none of the market row deckbuilders have tried that. silvergoose posted:Century spice road, through the Ages, Concordia. The things get cheaper as people don't take a card thing helps a lot. There's an idea I hadn't considered. I'm currently using the tiered deck idea mentioned above (cards of different point values are separate, meaning there is no chance you take a 1 point card to reveal a 9 point card.) to balance things a bit, but the cost reduction one seems good to me too.
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Nov 15, 2017 16:14
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silvergoose posted:Century spice road, through the Ages, Concordia. The things get cheaper as people don't take a card thing helps a lot. More directly, since the criticism of bad market row games is that the player after you can buy the really important cool card that just flipped, what helps the most is that the newest cards to flip are usually overpriced.
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I thought my group and I would just be ambivalent towards Import/Export when I got it in, but they keep asking for me to bring it as a light-medium filler game when we hang out. We must've played a dozen games of it by now and it's only been a couple weeks. It's expensive for what it is, no doubt, but the extra shipment portion of the game really adds to the Mottainai experience.Kashuno posted:What is a game that does a market row well and why
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Kashuno posted:There's an idea I hadn't considered. I'm currently using the tiered deck idea mentioned above (cards of different point values are separate, meaning there is no chance you take a 1 point card to reveal a 9 point card.) to balance things a bit, but the cost reduction one seems good to me too. Power Grid and Ponzi Scheme are games with a tiered market where new cards automatically rearrange themselves and you can only buy from a specific row. This lets you see what's available, and what will be available, and there's some way that cards will fall off or get discarded so you can plan on getting something else. Newbies to Power Grid complain that you'll get a crappy power plant and then immediately a new one will appear that is objectively better than all the others but Power Grid balances this by making last player have an advantage in that they can wait until everyone has bought a power plant, basically getting whatever they want uncontested.
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Selecta84 posted:Thanks, It scales really well, it mostly depends on the map. I like playing with 4-5 as there is a bit more competition to build cities and grab the right cards but even with 2-3 there can be almost as much interaction.
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Lots of games use market rows with some form of Dutch auction, like Pax Porfiriana, Small World, Archipelago, etc.
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PerniciousKnid posted:Lots of games use market rows with some form of Dutch auction, like Pax Porfiriana, Small World, Archipelago, etc. Century does this, actually, too.
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My brain keeps confusing Concordia and Viticulture. I've played both at gaming cons, and recently ordered the latter (possibly remembering the former - I tend to be pretty sleep-deprived at these cons). They're both good though, right?
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Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old?
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EBag posted:It scales really well, it mostly depends on the map. I like playing with 4-5 as there is a bit more competition to build cities and grab the right cards but even with 2-3 there can be almost as much interaction. Awesome. Gonna order it tonight
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? Looping Louie / Chewie is a pretty good bet. It also scales up well for adults as a drinking game. Basically, a dexterity game with a motorized, counterweighted airplane that knocks chicken tokens off a ramp, but can be manipulated by the lever in front of the player, used to both guard and attack other players. Louie seats 4, Chewie seats 3. A niece also just recently got a game called Outfoxed! (https://gamewright.com/product/Outfoxed) with is a nice little rework of Clue. It gets rid of the frustrating aspects of Clue, has cooperative and competitive modes, and the styling and ruleset are purpose-made for younger children. This one doesn't really scale up to adults, but the two modes of play mean you can move on to the more competitive version of the game as the kid grows up.
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WhiteHowler posted:My brain keeps confusing Concordia and Viticulture. I've played both at gaming cons, and recently ordered the latter (possibly remembering the former - I tend to be pretty sleep-deprived at these cons). Yep. Concordia is the one where you have a map of the Mediterranean and build things and collect resources by playing cards. You also purchase cards, and that is the primary way to gain more points. Viticulture is a more standard worker placement game about making wine and building a winery. They're both quite good.
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? My nephew and nieces enjoyed Animal Upon Animal at that age. Dixit goes over well even if they aren't winning.
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? Hey! That's My Fish is an absolute masterpiece of a game, and is simple enough for children.
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FulsomFrank posted:Has anyone ever considered trying to build a tiered draw deck for Terraforming Mars? Like, dividing the cards into sections a la Through the Ages or VotK (which is a game that does market row well too) so that you actually care about the majority of your cards versus looking at something really good but useless for most of the game? I wanted to give this a try after my first game, and even more every game I've played since. Unfortunately, it belongs to a friend so I don't have access to it to give it a try. I want to like Terraforming Mars a lot more than it deserves. It's just sooooo random even though having to pay for cards does add significant opportunities to kneecap yourself by keeping too many or buying too few. When you can pull off a good combo it feels good, but more often you'll get half the cards needed for a combo and someone else will get the rest. The animal VP card chains are especially egregious since if you're missing any of the cards in the middle they score a lot less than they should.
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Oh - I'm not sure if Cheeky Monkey is in print any more, but it's a fun push your luck game that plays quickly and has a lot of fun moments. It might be frustrating for younger players if they push their luck too often, however.
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? How many kids, and have they played anything else? Every 5 year old is going to be different in terms of how much exposure they have to core board game concepts. At 5 kids can generally follow instructions but can’t make strategic decisions, so games that give more weight to moment to moment gameplay will generally work well. I think there are a lot of games adults play that work fine with kids this age.
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? Machi Koro works pretty well with kids that age - but gets painful to play as an adult. Camel Up is solid and might work if the kid is pretty advanced (I think my kids played it at 6?). My younger kids are 7 now, and their current favorites are Big Book of Madness (a light deckbuilder), Cat Lady (a light set collection game), and Connect 4 (all 3 of which are perfectly reasonable games for adults too).
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? Dexterity games are big at this age. Animal Upon Animal and Suspend have been our biggest hits out of boxes. We've done quite a few of the Peaceable Kingdom games from Target and they're hit or miss and can be too rulesy, at least for my just-turned 5 YO. Yours may focus better than mine (it wouldn't surprise me). I've shared this before, but my kids love a game we call "Dice Fight" where we each roll a D6 and yell "DICE FIGHT!" out loud. Then she counts the pips to see who won and repeat over and over. When she got a little older we introduced another D6. When she got her counting down but not so much her 2-digit number recognition we started with D20s. There are a lot of little dumb things you can do with it, like having different colors (pick your fighter style). Once I had Claustrophobia out from the night before and we each chose a figure as our DICE FIGHTER and the winner got to knock the loser over. You can literally just spice it up however you want as the mood or inspiration strikes. The whole game will last about 5-10 minutes before they lose interest, but that's going to happen no matter what unless you have a very focused group of kids. It's obviously just a learning game, but it has 1) no strategy and 2) yelling. That'll take you a lot further than you might imagine.
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Just got my dispatch notice on Gloomhaven. Very excited. Add to that first martians showing up yesterday and Twilight Imperium 4 being delivered today and it looks like I've got a lot of trying to get people to listen to rules explanations in my future.
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MikeCrotch posted:Thread I need ideas. What are the best games for families with younger kids, around 5 years old? You could try Rhino Hero. That's always pretty fun.
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twosideddice posted:Just got my dispatch notice on Gloomhaven. Very excited. Add to that first martians showing up yesterday and Twilight Imperium 4 being delivered today and it looks like I've got a lot of trying to get people to listen to rules explanations in my future. Are you in USA, and if so, did the dispatch come from Funagain?
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Mikey Purp posted:Are you in USA, and if so, did the dispatch come from Funagain? UK, so it is coming from Happy shops in Germany.
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Kashuno posted:What is a game that does a market row well and why Ponzi Scheme, but its a very different game
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twosideddice posted:Add to that first martians showing up yesterday did you, uh, try that one before you bought it? Because it's ignacy. and if that's not enough...it is, uh, not good.
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Megasabin posted:Went to a local board game meet up tonight. Played Machi Koro for the first time. As someone who likes their games as luck free as possible with a maximum amount of player agency, it was perhaps one of the most painful board game experiences I've ever endured. Machi Koro does not get NEARLY enough poo poo for how bad it is. I like luck in games; I like push-your-luck games quite a bit. But Machi Koro is just such a huge waste of time. You have essentially no control. The problem is that, because you start the game with one die, you can't choose to hedge your bet closer to higher probabilities or take a risk by going to lower probability results. It is full-on independent one-in-six chances of anything. Unlike a game like Settlers (which is not exactly excellent by today's standards but it's what Machi Koro is commonly compared to), where you can say "I'm going to get this 8 and this 11 and hope to roll that 11." Once you have the two dice, it starts chugging along but I wish they just designed the game to be a risk management game with 2 dice always. Also, the "attacky"-ness of the game is just no fun. It is one of relatively few games I would probably actively refuse to play. Selecta84 posted:What are your opinions on Concordia? I feel like it's been said, but Concordia is excellent. Probably my second favorite game at the moment. It's easy to learn and play but your actions have consequences to set up later turns. You can take it very seriously or you can relax and try to play by intuition, and that's not something that can be said about many middle weight euros. Every time it gets mentioned here, it seems to be thread-approved. Also, it was out of print for a little while so it's at the top of mind right about now. To quote myself, the last time I was trying to explain why I like Concordia: Magnetic North posted:If you want some idea of why we love the game, this video is a glowingly positive review from a website called Shut Up And Sit Down. It even goes over the rules, which are very very simple. Other mostly positive videos are here (JonGetsGames) or here (RadhoRunsThrough).
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The only downside I think Concordia has is that the scoring is a bit arcane compared to the rest of the game (which is incredibly elegant and smooth).
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The only downside I think Concordia has is that the scoring is a bit arcane compared to the rest of the game (which is incredibly elegant and smooth). The scoring in Concordia is simple as all hell. The only thing I've ever seen catch people is non-brick cities for Jupiter.
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It maybe takes a bit for new players to really internalize how to optimally score, but yah once you get it it's relatively simple. I think if anything new players get tripped up just trying to build as many cities as they can, without really thinking about how to capitalize on the cards they have or ignoring acquiring more cards.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The only downside I think Concordia has is that the scoring is a bit arcane compared to the rest of the game (which is incredibly elegant and smooth). I agree that it's arcane, but disagree that it's a problem. I like it because it helps obscure who is winning at any point. e: I can english correctly. Magnetic North fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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I have another request for recommendations. Two, actually, though they could definitely overlap. First, what are the good pirate games? I want a couple. I have way too many space games, so I'm trying to diversify settings. Merchants and Marauders looks neat, but way too long, and being able to lose absolutely everything and start over sounds like hell. Libertalia looks awesome, and pretty quick, and I already have and love Dogs of War by the same guy. Black Fleet looks just plain fun and interesting, but might be one I just play with my nephews and not the main game group. Any others? Second, What pick up and deliver games should I look at? I got to play Istanbul last night, and I realized that it's the only game like that in my collection, unless you count Escape: Zombie City. BGG's Weight meter is unreliable, but my sweet spot for game complexity seems to be right around 2.8, give or take.
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El Fideo posted:Second, What pick up and deliver games should I look at? I got to play Istanbul last night, and I realized that it's the only game like that in my collection, unless you count Escape: Zombie City. BGG's Weight meter is unreliable, but my sweet spot for game complexity seems to be right around 2.8, give or take. Steam vs. Age of Steam (you'd have to do your own research there because while I did mine, I haven't played both so can't compare) or any of the crayon rails games like iron dragon. The former is network building with pickup and deliver amongst established routes. The latter is actually pickup and deliver where you command a single train to do so.
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El Fideo posted:I have another request for recommendations. Two, actually, though they could definitely overlap. Libertalia is by far the best pirate game I've played. The only knock on it is that it's really best with 5-6 players, and I wouldn't play it with fewer than 4. With 4 I'd still look for something else first. EDIT: also check out Francis Drake. That's a good one too. Each round is two phases - a race to gear your ship up for the voyage, then the actual voyage itself where you attack ships, trade with locals, and raid spanish bases for loot. You store your loot in a 3D treasure chest so your opponents can't see it till the end. There's a few different mechanics going on, but I enjoy it a lot Fate Accomplice fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Nov 16, 2017 |
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El Fideo posted:Second, What pick up and deliver games should I look at? I got to play Istanbul last night, and I realized that it's the only game like that in my collection, unless you count Escape: Zombie City. BGG's Weight meter is unreliable, but my sweet spot for game complexity seems to be right around 2.8, give or take. Bus is a really old not well known Splotter that I maintain is lots of fun, and it has the benefit of being rather easy to print and play. Print out this map on 4 sheets of paper, get cubes and sticks for each player, and 3 types of pieces/tokens representing the 3 types of buildings
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Dancer posted:Bus is a really old not well known Splotter that I maintain is lots of fun, and it has the benefit of being rather easy to print and play. Print out this map on 4 sheets of paper, get cubes and sticks for each player, and 3 types of pieces/tokens representing the 3 types of buildings Whoa, will look into this thanks. I can probably PNP this and get some popsicle sticks and bits for tokyo highway as a "commuter game wooden box."
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Looking for some suggestions, what are your favorite engine builders where you can acquire really powerful combos over the course of a game? Specifically we really enjoy the cards in La Granja where you have a lot of options for how you want to customize the way you play and they provide a good amount of variety from game to game, as well as the abilities in general just feeling really powerful and satisfying.
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El Fideo posted:Second, What pick up and deliver games should I look at? I got to play Istanbul last night, and I realized that it's the only game like that in my collection, unless you count Escape: Zombie City. BGG's Weight meter is unreliable, but my sweet spot for game complexity seems to be right around 2.8, give or take. Container. Also a game you can pnp.
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I got a Canadian shipping notice today on Gloomhaven. Yes, shipping. My eda is Nov 21. 
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