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Like Contrapoints said. All of the cons of being famous with none of the perks. You get into online drama, you have to constantly pander to your audience, it doesn't pay well, you sit on your rear end at home most of the time. Really quite depressing TBH.
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boner confessor posted:nobody's going to take your camgirls away thirsty nerd, we're just saying twitch is probably the wrong platform for it if it wants to be a "serious" gamer site I don't watch streams, I just see some random newcomer I've never heard of before fly into the thread to bitch about women gamers and I have a really hard time believing that they care about the children or the purity of gaming or whatever their defense is.
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Nov 18, 2017 00:19
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Worth watching to the end where after going on for a while about how worthless centrists just want to feel smart and declare both sides as bad as each other at the beginning, he outright says that socialism and corporatism are both as bad as each other and stupid. Also edgy teenage hipster Nietzsche quoting without any wider understanding of the context.
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Verisimilidude posted:pro twitch cranking their community policing methods to the max and perma-banning every single harasser on sight. It'd be nice if internet communities in general did that.
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Who What Now posted:I just see some random newcomer I've never heard of before fly into the thread to bitch about women gamers One the things already brought up to you is that "gaming" in this is actually a non-factor, for the people getting talked about their whole stream content is often "Slap on the absolute least permissible, 'dance' for donations" and sometimes plain old shilling their paysite type stuff, even if it's in the category for stuff other than videogames it's still kind of dodgy dude.
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Nov 18, 2017 01:01
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Yardbomb posted:One the things already brought up to you is that "gaming" in this is actually a non-factor, for the people getting talked about their whole stream content is often "Slap on the absolute least permissible, 'dance' for donations" and sometimes plain old shilling their paysite type stuff, even if it's in the category for stuff other than videogames it's still kind of dodgy dude. This is my take on it as well. If you put out content that is obviously going on 90 percent sex appeal in any platform where people put in hard work and try to mask it as "education, streaming, art" etc. then that is a lovely thing to do.
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I kind of respect the fact that there is someone out there in 2017 who can speak for 18 minutes without jumpcuts. Unfortunately, he probably smells his own farts and he is a major hypocrite. He is spot on with centrists though. As for hipsters who like Dictor Who I kind of agree, but its better to be a hipster that is crazy about Doctor Who and Harry Potter since you grow out of that poo poo sooner or later. God forbid you might interact with people and get laid. You never really grow out of liking oldschool RPGs while eating cheetos, which is kind of my situation. Midig fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 02:36
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Gaming streaming is just publicly screaming at a toy for hours to begin with. Lots of the popular and successful ones are absolutely not high effort beyond time investment.
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Nov 18, 2017 03:49
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Motto posted:Gaming streaming is just publicly screaming at a toy for hours to begin with. Lots of the popular and successful ones are absolutely not high effort beyond time investment. The only steams worth watching are ones done by people who had something to do with making the game they’re streaming, like when the voice actors for the main characters of a Final Fantasy XV streamed the game together.
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Nov 18, 2017 04:35
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Plenty of streamers are just nice people to listen to and shoot the poo poo with over games, don't go to crappy megastreams like kripparian etc. and you're fine. 
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Nov 18, 2017 05:13
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Groovelord Neato posted:trump won white college educated voters. during the republican primary his voters were the wealthiest. suburbanites and exurbanites aren't really the working class. Well, being "college educated" doesn't necessarily you were actually educated in college or that you're smart or capable of abstract reasoning. It just means you attended a university and acquired a degree. It's more a marker of privilege than intelligence. Privileged white people believing dumb poo poo while a black man is president is fairly unsurprising. Especially if said privileged white people come from a red state.
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If you want to watch someone play video games, go ahead. But calling it "hard work" is really funny. Although it makes a bit more sense when often the worst YouTube intellectuals and their followers are really into video games. "I've clocked hundreds of hours into leveling up my RPG character so I know the value of hard work unlike all those illegal immigrants on welfare."
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I wouldn't really say that a dedicated sex cammer is doing more or less work than any other dedicated kind of streamer. Most of them don't do research or anything into their games because them having no idea and getting cues from chat is part of the appeal.
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Nov 18, 2017 11:19
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:If you want to watch someone play video games, go ahead. But calling it "hard work" is really funny. Although it makes a bit more sense when often the worst YouTube intellectuals and their followers are really into video games. "I've clocked hundreds of hours into leveling up my RPG character so I know the value of hard work unlike all those illegal immigrants on welfare." I always figured those four hour videos of a static image and some guy complaining about feminism were designed to be background noise to listen to while playing video games.
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nael posted:I always figured those four hour videos of a static image and some guy complaining about feminism were designed to be background noise to listen to while playing video games.
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Rugoberta Munchu posted:If you want to watch someone play video games, go ahead. But calling it "hard work" is really funny. I almost forgot we basically already went down this in the thread before so I'll just quote an old post. Yardbomb posted:"Noble" is goofy sounding but if someone does well for themselves streaming or doing LPs or whatever, should they stop and work something miserable instead? I mean even on the point of "hardworking", if you're not DSP level, recording a screen with a camcorder and making GBS threads unedited footage out onto youtube, you've probably put money and effort into setting up and testing around with better equipment, you've learned or are learning to edit videos properly, making sure the sound is actually nice to listen to and is leveled right, like you're not digging ditches but constantly recording, editing, coming up with worthwhile commentary or at least cultivating some kind of likable shtick, all of that isn't effortless either. And this isn't a defense of the dumb turds that act like it's actually the hardest job in the world or anything. And I mean especially now in light of poo poo like THE ALMIGHTY ALGORITHM on youtube, if you want to stay "relevant" to the arcane crapheap that is their system you have to stay on the ball, which means constant, consistent videos with a good run-time, but not too long of a run-time, it has to be something you know more people will run into, otherwise the system thinks you're on the way out, it promotes chasing trends and racing to be the first person to get content out, otherwise you're gonna get smothered by the usual suspects and so on. If you want to make some okay living off streaming or videos, it is fairly hard work if you're not some rich boy in the first place like PDP. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 14:36
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youtube can be hard work. twitch aint.
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Nov 18, 2017 14:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:youtube can be hard work. twitch aint. It doesn't matter if you think it is hard work or not. I personally don't think it takes too much talent. But they did put in the hours. Considering that you have to schedule times to be on every week it will sort of feel like a job even if it is all about vidya games. Even low effort streams don't deserve to be eclipsed by someone who clearly gives 0 shits about the games and tries to appeal to gamers virgin thirst.
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Nov 18, 2017 15:07
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Midig posted:Even low effort streams don't deserve to be eclipsed by someone who clearly gives 0 shits about the games and tries to appeal to gamers virgin thirst. Are they being eclipsed, though? Are people seeing a demonstrable decrease in viewership because they can see some tits in another stream?
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True. I have no proof that it has any big impact on streaming (it probably doesn't anyway). I just think it's a low thing to do on principle.
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Nov 18, 2017 15:39
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Groovelord Neato posted:youtube can be hard work. twitch aint. Full-time Twitch-streaming seems pretty grueling as far as 9-5 jobs go. A relentless non-ending routine of just trudging through online games while trying to engage an unruly and chaotic chat. For example, I distinctively get the impression every time I watch Destiny jump into a discussion that debating is something he started doing just because it lets him get out of the drudging routine of playing video-games he got bored with 2000 hours ago. Like video editing sucks but lets not kid ourselves that performing in front of a live audience that you have to interact with for a full work-day is not work.
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Nov 18, 2017 15:46
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Maybe we should be judging the thirsty rear end nerds who watch those streams (and constantly harass the hosts) rather than the streamers taking advantage of their willingness to throw money for a glimpse of cleavage. :thinkemoji:
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There was that one boob streamer, Kacey-something? she played league of legends and advertised herself as a professional gamer girl. It got the point I was adamant it was a wind up and she was playing the part of being the obvious gamer gurrl streamer or something. Her fans were rabid but the hatred for her was staggering as well.
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Midig posted:It doesn't matter if you think it is hard work or not. I personally don't think it takes too much talent. But they did put in the hours. Considering that you have to schedule times to be on every week it will sort of feel like a job even if it is all about vidya games. Even low effort streams don't deserve to be eclipsed by someone who clearly gives 0 shits about the games and tries to appeal to gamers virgin thirst. What makes you think the cam streamers aren't also putting in those hours?
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Destiny debate up about "boobie streamers." Watch if you want to contract brain cancer. If nothing else this video convinced me that people who stream video games all have brain parasites while also being just the dumbest people alive. If you want a good case study for toxic masculinity check these dudes who stream PUBG and WoW all the live long day, holy poo poo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhWkiK3ayq0 Also, Twitch just needs to make a section for adult or risque content and call it a day. These channels with scantily clad women gaming are partly popular due to kiddies skirting parental controls and watching hot girls on Twitch since they can't elsewhere. In any case, these girls are just taking advantage of a platform that's there to be taken advantage of - good on them. It's like people who hate the Kadashians more than the millions of people who like and follow them.
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Midig posted:It doesn't matter if you think it is hard work or not. I personally don't think it takes too much talent. But they did put in the hours. Considering that you have to schedule times to be on every week it will sort of feel like a job even if it is all about vidya games. Even low effort streams don't deserve to be eclipsed by someone who clearly gives 0 shits about the games and tries to appeal to gamers virgin thirst. Twitch has nothing to do with the actual games people are playing. It's the streamers' reaction to the games and interaction with the audience that people care about. The gaming is just a pretense for a friendship simulator; hot girls are providing a different kind of friendship simulation service. If people who watch Twitch gave a poo poo about the games then they'd just go play the games. We live an isolated world - you can't even couch co-op in games these days - so people have turned to Twitch for that friendship simulation service. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Nov 18, 2017 |
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Huzanko posted:Twitch has nothing to do with the actual games people are playing. I mean the particularly big FPS/Dota/FGC tournaments routinely get massive numbers that cause twitch to start buckling under the pressure.
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Huzanko posted:Twitch has nothing to do with the actual games people are playing. It's the streamers' reaction to the games and interaction with the audience that people care about. The gaming is just a pretense for a friendship simulator; hot girls are providing a different kind of friendship simulation service. Yeah, this, kinda. I mean if I'm going to be completely non derisive about it the point of lets playing and is fundamentally social. I think I heard it best described as "passive multiplayer". You watch it because you want to experience other people's experience of something you both like, but you do it in a passive way rather than actually having someone over to play games with, this isn't wrong, it's just different. Streaming is semi-active because of the chat element but it's still fundamentally a social activity, the games are an accessory to that, the mutual interest and framing device for the social element.
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Yardbomb posted:I mean the particularly big FPS/Dota/FGC tournaments routinely get massive numbers that cause twitch to start buckling under the pressure. That's not at all relatable to the day-to-day streamer viewership that I'm talking about.
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah, this, kinda. Exactly. I don't feel that there's anything wrong with it, at all. I do feel that it is a band-aid for a fairly sad and insidious problem, though - social isolation.
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I mean speaking personally I like it because I'm just one of those people who finds socializing really tiring, I'm good at it but it's wearisome so passive socializing is nice because it doesn't wear me out, it's restorative in the way I imagine in person socializing is for extroverts.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean speaking personally I like it because I'm just one of those people who finds socializing really tiring, I'm good at it but it's wearisome so passive socializing is nice because it doesn't wear me out, it's restorative in the way I imagine in person socializing is for extroverts. Hard to say a lot to this other than  here.
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Flipswitch posted:There was that one boob streamer, Kacey-something? she played league of legends and advertised herself as a professional gamer girl. It got the point I was adamant it was a wind up and she was playing the part of being the obvious gamer gurrl streamer or something. Her fans were rabid but the hatred for her was staggering as well. kaceytron is a parody/performance art type thing. she intentionally plays badly and acts dumb, then dudes give her money to act offended when they call her a "dumb whore" in their donation comment. Groovelord Neato posted:youtube can be hard work. twitch aint. live broadcasting is most definitely a skill, you try keeping an audience engaged for hours on end. Being able to focus on a game while responding to chat, giving shout outs to repeat viewers, explaining the strategy/mechanics of what you're doing, and finding ways to prevent dead air takes a lot of work/talent. That said a lot of people on twitch don't have that talent.
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i meant more that the top streamers tend to be terrible or play terrible games so it takes zero work to be popular. drdisrespect is the only one of the top streamers i've seen that actually puts "work" into being a personality since he's playing a character.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i meant more that the top streamers tend to be terrible or play terrible games so it takes zero work to be popular. lol what you think you can install streaming software and fire up pubg, then people just magically show up and start paying their rent?
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Huzanko posted:Destiny debate up about "boobie streamers." Watch if you want to contract brain cancer. If nothing else this video convinced me that people who stream video games all have brain parasites while also being just the dumbest people alive. If you want a good case study for toxic masculinity check these dudes who stream PUBG and WoW all the live long day, holy poo poo. christ this guy can't even speak coherently how does he have a following
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Visidan posted:christ this guy can't even speak coherently how does he have a following Teenage boys.
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little munchkin posted:lol what Nah, you have to install streaming software, fire up pubg, be super loud and obnoxious and get into fake drama and call people horrible poo poo THEN people show up and start paying your rent. Dude, the fourteen year olds who fuel Twitch are not very tough to please. You live in a world where PewDiePie is the 4th most popular YouTuber. https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/pewdiepie
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Visidan posted:christ this guy can't even speak coherently how does he have a following Huzanko posted:He might've been referring to the guy Destiny is debating. Oh duh, woops 
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Yardbomb posted:It's fun to watch someone poo poo on the big ~rationals/skeptics~ of youtube. He might've been referring to the guy Destiny is debating.
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