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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:what the gently caress https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVar_Ball
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Tighclops posted:HD makes me actively hate the 4 foot miniature Why? What am I missing?
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The_Doctor posted:Why? What am I missing? 
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Nov 24, 2017 02:03
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The Virgin 4ft Enterprise vs the Chad 6ft Enterprise
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Nov 24, 2017 02:12
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The 4-foot had a thicker saucer rim, raised details, and they couldn't get the curves on the deflector or pylons (or the rest, really) done properly. The six foot was made by ILM who did the initial models and original pre-series stock footage like cruising shots and the warp jump. The four foot was done in-house between season 2 and 3 because Image G, the day-to-day effects house, had trouble with the size of the 6-footer. The raised details are because all the fine stuff got lost on SD television, the clumsy curves are just because they didn't have ILM's skill or time. 6:  4:  4 on top, 6 on bottom: 
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Nov 24, 2017 02:48
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Eh, I always liked all the greebles on the 4ft when they lit it like that
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Nov 24, 2017 02:48
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The 4-footer also has a much thicker saucer edge. Originally the two rows of windows were supposed to be on the same deck (floor and ceiling), but since the introduction of Ten Forward in season 2 the windows were one deck each. It ruins the lines of the 6-footer.
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Nov 24, 2017 02:50
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Yeah, the D is supposed to be very organically curved and smooth to give it this almost alien advanced feeling, the 4-footer subtly loses a lot of that effect.Drink-Mix Man posted:Eh, I always liked all the greebles on the 4ft when they lit it like that The greebles worked a lot better in the days of SD. Now in HD they're over the top.
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Nov 24, 2017 02:52
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Eh, I always liked all the greebles on the 4ft when they lit it like that Smoothness carries on the TOS aesthetic more faithfully, and I don't like the greebly precedent that led to horrible black panels and cutaways and overzealous aztecking. I can't get behind it. I apologize for this, Drink-Mix Man.
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Nov 24, 2017 02:54
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The best version of the D is Generations, where they took the 6-footer, restored it, repainted it, and gave it a new subtle layer of reflective coating on top because they liked the way the original Refit paintjob did that. Gave us gorgeous shots like this:
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Nov 24, 2017 02:57
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Eh, I always liked all the greebles on the 4ft when they lit it like that Greebles are the loving enemy you traitor
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Eh, I always liked all the greebles on the 4ft when they lit it like that Too bad, edited it for HD, lighting gone! (For reference:  )
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:The 4-footer also has a much thicker saucer edge. Originally the two rows of windows were supposed to be on the same deck (floor and ceiling), but since the introduction of Ten Forward in season 2 the windows were one deck each. It ruins the lines of the 6-footer. Probert was annoyed because he deliberately put in perfectly good big lounge windows that would be easy to build a set for, right there on the underside of the saucer above the registry number. His idea was also that you could move the set wall so it had two windows instead of four and it'd be one of the other lounges to the side, as well, for if they wanted smaller spaces. There were a few things like that they never did anyway, though. Like the big sloping windows in the VIP rooms were built to be able to flip upside down and be quarters on the bottom of the saucer instead of the top for variety, but they never bothered. Anyway, he'd also left them this for how to do fancy rooms on the saucer rim like Ten-Forward, but they went 'nah'. 
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The six footer also couldn't separate.
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Timby posted:The six footer also couldn't separate. You mean the four footer, right?
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I was thinking today, maybe the reason Guinan could tell something was wrong with the timelines in Yesterday's Enterprise was because she never would have served on the Enterprise if they hadn't gone back in time, which wouldn't have happened in the war timeline, so the loop never completed and her existence was a time paradox.
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Maybe it was her sweet space-kung fu.
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The rim of the 6 footer also stayed dark because it was supposed to be that there was a walkway that went around the rim of the saucer section that was always dark so people could see stars from any direction on the ship. Presumably the scene in that one season 1 episode (I can’t remember which one exactly) where Geordi has to suddenly run from the bridge to a random set of quarters in order to look at the spaceship of the week with his visor. Presumably that would be what that walkway was meant for.
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Instant Sunrise posted:The rim of the 6 footer also stayed dark because Only time the D ever had lights on rim-windows aside from Ten Forward was These Are The Voyages because CG. The lights also all turned off when they went to warp but nobody really noticed and they fixed it with CG for the HD version.
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For my part I think it's drat impressive how good they were able to make spaceships work in the Next Gen era without really using CGI tech. They sure couldn't whip up dynamic fights, but boy were they pretty to look at.
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NowonSA posted:For my part I think it's drat impressive how good they were able to make spaceships work in the Next Gen era without really using CGI tech. They sure couldn't whip up dynamic fights, but boy were they pretty to look at. Yeah because of technical/budget limitations (I assume), TNG naval battles are "I hope we're using better tech than the other guy, because we're just going to hit each other square in the center of the hull until someone explodes." Luckily naval battles are not (usually) the point of Star Trek, not withstanding the best Trek movie.
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I didn't mind it because the Enterprise was enormous and I figured the tech made maneuvering more of the "position for advantage" variety than "dodge incoming fire". It's later when CG takes off and they start having these huge hundreds-meter-long ships swooping around like fighter planes that poo poo starts getting silly.
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McSpanky posted:I didn't mind it because the Enterprise was enormous and I figured the tech made maneuvering more of the "position for advantage" variety than "dodge incoming fire". It's later when CG takes off and they start having these huge hundreds-meter-long ships swooping around like fighter planes
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Nov 24, 2017 12:55
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Cingulate posted:I.e., in DS9. Mmm, probably the best/worst example is the beginning of First Contact, where everyone is going everywhere and no one has heard of a formation. My old Okuda encyclopedia mentioned that the Enterprise D is supposed to be able to track and shoot up to thirty targets at once. Anyway, this is all setting aside more important issues, like the cruise liner with the power to make imaginary things real/sentient could probably also collapse your system's sun if they wanted.
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Cingulate posted:I.e., in DS9. Pretty much all of the swooping in DS9 was done by the Defiant, Birds of Prey, and the small Dominion ships. Edit:  was I think the most we ever saw a bigger ship move in something that wasn't a straight line.
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But they have inertial dampeners and artificial gravity to keep the crew comfortable under extreme accelerations. In that kind of future, the ships should look like they have silly maneuvering.
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Kibayasu posted:Pretty much all of the swooping in DS9 was done by the Defiant, Birds of Prey, and the small Dominion ships.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I was thinking today, maybe the reason Guinan could tell something was wrong with the timelines in Yesterday's Enterprise was because she never would have served on the Enterprise if they hadn't gone back in time, which wouldn't have happened in the war timeline, so the loop never completed and her existence was a time paradox. I'm glad they resisted the temptation to try to explain anything about Guinan. I'm sure there's a lovely book somewhere that did it but I don't need to care about its existence.
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Mike the TV posted:But they have inertial dampeners and artificial gravity to keep the crew comfortable under extreme accelerations. In that kind of future, the ships should look like they have silly maneuvering. You say this like this thread hasn't had this conversation 15 times already. If these were dreadnoughts zipping around like zodiacs, would you buy whatever  to handwave it or think "that still looks absurd?"
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Kibayasu posted:Pretty much all of the swooping in DS9 was done by the Defiant, Birds of Prey, and the small Dominion ships. As unreleastic as it is to see it SWOOPIN, no joke that single shot (and some of the shots from RotJ's Battle of Endor) are like seared into my nerd childhood memory as the coolest single shots of space battles ever made. The gif misses the best part of this shot, which is the great sound effect of the phasers charging up before firing, it really makes them feel powerful. Especially how they apparently physically push the Cardassian ship out of the way with them. edit - I'll always find it funny how after 7 years of TNG we finally see the Galaxy class be the awesomest on DS9. jeeves fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Nov 24, 2017 |
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jeeves posted:edit - I'll always find it funny how after 7 years of TNG we finally see the Galaxy class be the awesomest on DS9. 
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jeeves posted:As unreleastic as it is to see it SWOOPIN, no joke that single shot (and some of the shots from RotJ's Battle of Endor) are like seared into my nerd childhood memory as the coolest single shots of space battles ever made. On the other hand, I also like these shots - they look like an aquarium view, with the Star Trek ships floating like dolphins behind glass. It's a very interesting aesthetic. Not much a fan of the "We're Star Wars now!" stuff the Defiant is doing.
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McSpanky posted:I didn't mind it because the Enterprise was enormous and I figured the tech made maneuvering more of the "position for advantage" variety than "dodge incoming fire". It's later when CG takes off and they start having these huge hundreds-meter-long ships swooping around like fighter planes that poo poo starts getting silly. I'm down for big, elegant, knock-down-drag-out Naval Battles in Spaaace instead of frantic melee. Although... dont even fink about it posted:Mmm, probably the best/worst example is the beginning of First Contact, where everyone is going everywhere and no one has heard of a formation. That sort of overwhelm-with-melee-FIRE-EVERYTHING tactic maybe works best against the post-Wolf 359 Borg, who don't have capital ships?
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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With First Contact, there's also been some fanon that the "Battle of Sector 001" was something like a three-day running battle across half the Federation (apparently the cube wiped out a colony on Ivor Prime some distance from Earth and just used warp drive instead of transwarp) that had a bunch of ships cycling in and out (or getting blown up) all that time. I suppose it would make a decent explanation for why the fleet's milling around all over the place once the cube's in the Solar System; I imagine fleet coherence would be tough to maintain if you've been running on adrenaline that long. Mind you, let's give credit where credit's due; they did a hell of a lot better than they did at Wolf 359.
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Today I learned that Leonard Nimoy's son, Adam, is engaged to Terry Farrell.
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Gonz posted:Today I learned that Leonard Nimoy's son, Adam, is engaged to Terry Farrell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2pBqY5ECU4
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Gonz posted:Today I learned that Leonard Nimoy's son, Adam, is engaged to Terry Farrell. That is nice and good and cute. I wish Siddig and Nana worked out, at least they still seem to be good friends. I want all my trek folk to be happy. I only recently learned that Garak is their kid's godfather, which is also adorable.
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Baronjutter posted:That is nice and good and cute. "Garak is the godfather." "You mean Andrew Robinson?" "No, Garak. If Andrew wants to visit, he has to wear the makeup."
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The power of the resonator can be overcome by peace, that's sweet and almost Trek enough to make up for how the rest of the episode wasn't This is why I can't entirely hate the episode. Everything else is stupid, but "We didn't bury this because it was too dangerous, we buried it because it simply didn't work anymore" has always stuck with me.
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