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CharlestonJew posted:Hemsworth and Goldblum are both great actors
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Phylodox posted:And Hemsworth is charming now. You’re comparing apples and oranges and saying apples are inferior because you prefer oranges. It’s fine if you prefer Kurt Russel or Jeff Goldblum or Chris Pratt/Evans/Pine or Javier Bardem or Bruce Willis or whoever. But Hemsworth is really, really good at what he does. He’s handsome and has a talent for comedy. It’s not a style of comedy that you, specifically, like, but he does it well and many, many people like it. sorry I keep forgetting people here are really touchy about stuff like this so allow me to break out the all-singing all-dancing opinion card again:  chris hemsworth is not funny enough to carry a movie like this
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MikeJF posted:Not... really? I feel like Ragnarok didn't slide into the quipping at all; they all felt emergent from the characters and the actor's strengths. Right, but most of those lines are situational, not driven by the characters. There's exceptions of course, and with so many jokes a lot land well. I liked Loki's bits the most overall, and everything Goldbloom said worked well. What I didn't like is that there isn't a character who doesn't do the same cracking wise at some point. It's especially grating when it's seemingly to no person in particular (i.e. to the audience). At no point in the film did I ever feel a scene would remain dramatic at any point, and that took a lot of bite out of it. I can't remember every moment where comedy underscored things that were played a lot better in previous MCU movies, but there was just an overwhelming feeling of "big colourful weightless nothingness". e.g. Why even have moments like Thor being disfigured, if the director doesn't seem to have the character even take an emotional pause for it happening? Despite all this I did like the film, it could have just been so much more.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:sorry I keep forgetting people here are really touchy about stuff like this so allow me to break out the all-singing all-dancing opinion card again: In my opinion the sky is red. But you can't say I'm wrong because it's just my opinion! Checkmate liberals!
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enraged_camel posted:In my opinion the sky is red. But you can't say I'm wrong because it's just my opinion! Checkmate liberals! what
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Nov 25, 2017 20:52
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They’re intimating that your opinion is unsupported by facts.
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Nov 25, 2017 20:53
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Phylodox posted:They’re intimating that your opinion is unsupported by facts. That's because it's an opinion based in personal taste, as are most opinions. I'm not stating some kind of scientific thesis here, it's just a discussion about a movie.
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Nov 25, 2017 20:55
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Magic Hate Ball posted:That's because it's an opinion based in personal taste, as are most opinions. I'm not stating some kind of scientific thesis here, it's just a discussion about a movie. Well, I mean, you’re saying Chris Hemsworth doesn’t have the chops to front a comedy when he just fronted a wildly popular and highly regarded comedy, so...
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Nov 25, 2017 21:00
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Magic Hate Ball posted:sorry I keep forgetting people here are really touchy about stuff like this so allow me to break out the all-singing all-dancing opinion card again: Guess who just got the FRIENDS font!
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Nov 25, 2017 21:00
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The delivery of the snake story is one of the best jokes in the movie and it's 100% Hemsworth's execution that makes it work. Edit: I'm not sure that he could carry a comedy by himself, but fortunately Thor Ragnarok has a really strong cast all the way around. It also has Anthony Hopkins's most engaged performance in the MCU. Snak fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Nov 25, 2017 |
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Nov 25, 2017 21:01
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Phylodox posted:Well, I mean, you’re saying Chris Hemsworth doesn’t have the chops to front a comedy when he just fronted a wildly popular and highly regarded comedy, so... And I don't think he does, in my opinion. I think he's appealing and people like him, which is fine, but I don't really enjoy him - I enjoyed everyone around him, but he's sort of an absent spot for me and he kept getting upstaged by everyone else. Mostly I just wish these movies were a little sharper and more sure of themselves - Ragnarok is by far the best one I've seen (I liked it) because it has its own attitude and, overall, sticks to it. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Guess who just got the FRIENDS font! was it me? i think it was me!!
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Nov 25, 2017 21:07
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Hemsworth is naturally skilled at comedy. It was his idea in Thor 2 to hang his hammer on the hat rack. There were a few other mannerisms I remember reading about thay he came up with that helps him be the charming arrogant and not the smug arrogant. He embodies the man child of Thor so perfectly.
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Nov 25, 2017 22:13
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My favorite Thor bit is still the blooper where he reaches out for the hammer but misses and it just sails on up past him without a care in the world.
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swickles posted:Hemsworth is naturally skilled at comedy. It was his idea in Thor 2 to hang his hammer on the hat rack. There were a few other mannerisms I remember reading about thay he came up with that helps him be the charming arrogant and not the smug arrogant. He embodies the man child of Thor so perfectly. Thor: "Strongest Avenger" Quinjet: Access denied Thor: "Strongest Avenger" Quinjet: Access denied
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Nov 25, 2017 22:59
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Also, considering the director said that 95% of the dialogue was from improvisation, its likely that the snake story was improv'd. Q.E.D. Hemsworth is a comedic genius with 95% certainty.
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Nov 25, 2017 23:06
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Magic Hate Ball posted:sorry I keep forgetting people here are really touchy about stuff like this so allow me to break out the all-singing all-dancing opinion card again: Dude, you got triggered by guns in a movie with people getting killed by swords thrown by gods. Perhaps this style of movie isn’t for you. I hear “Wonder” is pleasant.
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Khablam posted:Right, but most of those lines are situational, not driven by the characters. Really? I felt like nearly all of the comedy was similar to what I described; there was barely any wisecracking. Except for occasionally Thor trying to wisecrack and it deliberately falling flat as the punchline. quote:e.g. Why even have moments like Thor being disfigured, if the director doesn't seem to have the character even take an emotional pause for it happening? There was a pause for that! On the ship, at the end, when he was fitting the eyepatch on. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Nov 26, 2017 02:59
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MikeJF posted:I have been FALLING for THIRTY MINUTES Hahaha yeah that was the best.
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Nov 26, 2017 03:45
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Thor's failed wisecracks make me think he's trying to act like the funny people on Earth and failing at it.
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I like Hemsworth a lot and think he has some comedic chops but come on, it’s a bit of a stretch to say he’s a comedic genius on the basis of this and Ghostbusters.
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Nov 26, 2017 04:51
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Like, he’s passable but I wouldn’t call him a comedic genius. The way he plays the role is a little too vacu-formed to be properly funny - it’s like corporate jazz, the syncopation is technically there but it’s missing the little kick that catches you off guard.LingcodKilla posted:Dude, you got triggered by guns in a movie with people getting killed by swords thrown by gods. You are cordially invited to consume the entirety of my posterior.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The way he plays the role is a little too vacu-formed to be properly funny - it’s like corporate jazz, the syncopation is technically there but it’s missing the little kick that catches you off guard. which rotten tomatoes "critic" are you
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Nov 26, 2017 05:22
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enraged_camel posted:which rotten tomatoes "critic" are you The one with the really blurry picture that kinda looks like your dad.
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Nov 26, 2017 05:23
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Vegetable posted:I like Hemsworth a lot and think he has some comedic chops but come on, it’s a bit of a stretch to say he’s a comedic genius on the basis of this and Ghostbusters. Honestly, I think given time and more comedic roles he can definitely become one of the greats
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Magic Hate Ball posted:The one with the really blurry picture that kinda looks like your dad. oh my
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Nov 26, 2017 06:31
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enraged_camel posted:oh my 
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Nov 26, 2017 06:46
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Now this, this is humor
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Guns aren't funny anymore. edit sorry i keep forgetting here it is be assuaged 
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Nov 26, 2017 07:16
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Loved the movie, and it’s my new favorite marvel film. That scene really took me out of the movie and rubbed me the wrong way. Felt super poorly timed and I cannot believe they left it in, let alone put the scene in the movie to begin with. I’m a super liberal California coastal elite, so I get that I’m THE demographic that would feel the way I did. I’m sure my raised-in-rural-Pennsylvania wife wouldn’t have batted an eye. My 15 year old daughter thought it was loving weird too, though. eyebeem fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Nov 26, 2017 |
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Nov 26, 2017 07:34
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I mean yeah the first scene where he goes "I found these in Midgard in a place called Tex-ahs" was pretty drat funny, but him using them was really tone-deaf and also out of place.
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Nov 26, 2017 07:38
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No it wasn't.
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Nov 26, 2017 08:20
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Guns are rad -- including those guns. (pew pew pew!)
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Nov 26, 2017 08:24
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CelticPredator posted:No it wasn't. Yeh it ruled
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Nov 26, 2017 08:25
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As a fellow foreigner I absolutely understand why Waititi included it. It’s the absolute caricature of gun-wielding Americans
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It makes literally no sense and it's only in because it was a big moment in a thor comic like 30 years ago or whatever. It's fine to me but it's also total nonsense.
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Nov 26, 2017 08:30
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Ragnarok wouldn't have happened if Thor had had a gun.
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Nov 26, 2017 09:48
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I have no idea who that guy is supposed to be and saw nothing wrong or strange about that scene - the reluctant bad guy gets a heroic last stand for his redemption, with a callback to his introduction.  Is this like how movies refused to show any kind of tower crumble because 9:11, so now since there was a shooting movies can't have guns in them for a while? Even if this were a thing that scene was probably shot long before that.
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Nov 26, 2017 10:07
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The Black Widow movie can just be John Wick except with her shooting hundreds of pink squidpeople.
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In It For The Tank posted:Ragnarok wouldn't have happened if Thor had had a gun. The only thing that can stop a bad god with a gun is a good god with a gun! Vegetable posted:As a fellow foreigner I absolutely understand why Waititi included it. It’s the absolute caricature of gun-wielding Americans but also this
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