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Charlie Bobson posted:Polygon did a pretty cool article about Shadow of War and how it deals with slavery Is this like the first time he's ever heard of Lord of the Rings or what?
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Pneub posted:Is this like the first time he's ever heard of Lord of the Rings or what? The game could replace the wildly loose adaptation of LOTR content with a generic fantasy setting and the article would still make sense. Could you say more?
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Nov 11, 2017 13:17
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Video Game Theater has become must watch stuff for me every week. It's so over the top dorky, I love it.
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poor life choice posted:The game could replace the wildly loose adaptation of LOTR content with a generic fantasy setting and the article would still make sense. Could you say more? Let's ignore the problem of conflating humans and orcs, versus orcs and any other species. Also put aside the fact that the largest part of the argument here is entirely dependent upon the assumption that failing to provide extra development time to add in features that really only matter for the context of the argument was done to make a social and intellectual point and not things like budget, time constaints, and feature creep. I think the biggest problem with the article can be summed up with this one quote: quote:I firmly believe that Shadow of War wants to be in this pantheon of games about ideas. That's a stretch. Sure maybe some individuals on the project had that view but this is a big budget release with one of the top tier controlling publishers behind it that was put together by hundreds of people using a well established IP. If the game can be said to be about an idea, the only common factor across all of that was the idea of making the most ROI and giving people a fun game. nessin fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjW76Jh4gcY no awful squad PUBG, they're doing gang beasts as no one wants to play a shooting game right now (another mass shooting)
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Nov 14, 2017 23:07
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Simone once held a lemon party. She has never known about the website. Holy crap, poor Simone.
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Nov 15, 2017 00:25
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timp posted:Here's a little throwback if you enjoy Monster Factory material: This is one of my favorites. "Excuse me, my own truck! I hit you, myself."
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Nov 15, 2017 03:24
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Those old gameplay overview videos are so inconsistent. Stuff like that and car mechanic are as funny as anything they’ve recently done, while others, even the ones with the McElroys are just like “uhhh here’s what this games about, check it out if you want see you later”
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Nov 16, 2017 23:10
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The old polygon videos still had the premise of being informative instead of letting the video team do whatever crazy poo poo they feel like. Back then the McElroy videos were kind of the exception for the video content.
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Nov 16, 2017 23:31
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Saw this earlier, it's super good: Why Hitman is my favorite trans game: a comic
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Nov 16, 2017 23:37
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Vox is a union shop now. http://www.voxunion.org/whyorganize/
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Nov 17, 2017 17:05
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That's especially good to see after Gothamist was shut down for organizing.
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Nov 17, 2017 19:22
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Penny Arcade fired some shots today at Polygon via their strip
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Nov 24, 2017 02:25
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Penny arcade is the worst part of penny arcade
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Nov 24, 2017 03:11
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The new Polygon Jackbox session has some amazing moments that had me rolling. Pat maybe won fibbage all the time forever.
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Nov 24, 2017 03:15
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omg chael crash posted:Penny Arcade fired some shots today at Polygon via their strip Sucks not being relevant anymore, I guess.
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Nov 24, 2017 03:32
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Roach Warehouse posted:The new Polygon Jackbox session has some amazing moments that had me rolling. Pat maybe won fibbage all the time forever. That moment convinced me Pat needs to start doing videos with Griffin to replace that Nick shaped hole in the world. His humor is so drat dry and amazing.
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Nov 24, 2017 03:35
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 wow that penny arcade strip sure is harsh
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inferis posted:
I don't get it, is this the "I am cool and calm about this. I am the better man." character or the "NOT ME! I'M DUMB AND SO GODDAMN CRAZY!" character?
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Nov 24, 2017 06:50
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Jerry is just salty because his d&d show is streets behind Griffin's magnum opus.
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Nov 24, 2017 06:51
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creationist believer posted:I don't get it, is this the "I am cool and calm about this. I am the better man." character or the "NOT ME! I'M DUMB AND SO GODDAMN CRAZY!" character? It's an edit. The actual strip is three panels of them saying The Punisher show must be great and amazing because the Polygon review questioned it's timing after Las Vegas, and everything Polygon says is wrong. Then it just kind of ended without a real punchline, because after years and years of making comics, they still don't know how the gently caress a three panel comic works.
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Nov 24, 2017 07:04
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Poor Miserable Gurgi posted:It's an edit. The actual strip is three panels of them saying The Punisher show must be great and amazing because the Polygon review questioned it's timing after Las Vegas, and everything Polygon says is wrong. I didn't waste my time looking at the penny arcade website, I just thought the thesis was either "Look at those dumb Polygon people, writing articles about how Hitman reflects the experience of a trans person like an art critic" or "Look at those dumb Polygon people, making videos where they play PUBG poorly and laugh a lot". I saw the image on twitter earlier with the caption "In a few months, my comics will also be a paragraph about my viewpoint without a punchline" and didn't realize it was an edit. Somehow the real explanation is even stupider than what I thought it was.
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Nov 24, 2017 07:31
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Sometimes I think Polygon's writers huff farts too, but I don't feel it's a very interesting opinion. Some of the reviews, and especially the written ones, are a bit pretentious for the medium they're regarding, so I don't always agree with Polygon's reviews. Penny Arcade decided that was a hot enough take to make a few cents per hundred clicks.
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Wasabi the J posted:Sometimes I think Polygon's writers huff farts too, but I don't feel it's a very interesting opinion. Some of the reviews, and especially the written ones, are a bit pretentious for the medium they're regarding, so I don't always agree with Polygon's reviews. Yeah I find myself disagreeing with an awful lot of their reviews, honestly. Like, I suppose I don't disagree with them on the facts re: the moral implications of being an orc slaver in Shadow of War, but I had way more fun playing the video game than they appeared to. And I liked the new call of duty's campaign more or less but i'm willing to be wrong about that one, those games are my guilty pleasure That said, their videos are fun and penny arcade is the subway sandwich of web comics; inexplicably popular compared to the quality, and you get a stomach ache after consuming it sometimes
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah I find myself disagreeing with an awful lot of their reviews, honestly. Like, I suppose I don't disagree with them on the facts re: the moral implications of being an orc slaver in Shadow of War, but I had way more fun playing the video game than they appeared to. And I liked the new call of duty's campaign more or less but i'm willing to be wrong about that one, those games are my guilty pleasure I'm absolutely 200% certain the shadow of war review was not aimed at anybody who actually plays shadow of war. It was a hot take to draw the attention of people who don't bother playing those games anyway, and I'm sure it paid off pretty big for them.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I'm absolutely 200% certain the shadow of war review was not aimed at anybody who actually plays shadow of war. It was a hot take to draw the attention of people who don't bother playing those games anyway, and I'm sure it paid off pretty big for them. Nah, I really don't think that's the case. It's genuinely something that's tonally off with both games in the series and I don't think they were just making their feelings up about it for clicks. The conversation about it with Waypoint's Austin Walker is worth reading: https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/art...ement-lootboxes
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quote:When you finally fight Bruz, you're encouraged to "shame" him. Talion can use his spirit-infused hand to literally brand his handprint into the face of a high-level orc or troll, shaming him in front of his entire species. (...) When I did it, Bruz went mad. He became so distressed that he went insane. There's a mechanic in SoW that allows for this to happen; it's possible that when you shame an enemy, they become so distressed at the possibility of being humbled that they literally become a raving, gibbering character. Wtf??? Whose idea of fun is this? In the first game the Orcs were more caricatures and it was still hosed up. So they decided to make the Orcs more like people and also make the stuff that happens to them more awful. Have fun!
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Ariong posted:Wtf??? Whose idea of fun is this? In the first game the Orcs were more caricatures and it was still hosed up. So they decided to make the Orcs more like people and also make the stuff that happens to them more awful. Have fun! Honestly, I played that same sequence of events (except the very last part) and I found it more funny than horrifying, and I think it was still supposed to be comic relief. If you describe it in the way they do then yeah I guess it does look pretty raw I think maybe the devs underestimated players’ readiness to humanize and empathize with the orcs
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In the first game, the Orcs were 10x more intersting and relatable than any other character (except the dwarf from the DLC) so I’m not sure why they thought it would be any different this time around. EDIT: I should clarify that I played the first game a fair bit and enjoyed it, so I don’t have a vendetta against the franchise or anything. Just seems like they made bad desicions.
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That dwarf huffs farts tho. I enjoyed ignoring the story entirely and changing my skin to the elf lady to have Danerys Targaryhssjn's Big Orc Adventure instead.
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The weirdest thing about the whole domination mechanic is that it seems like it could've easily been about "removing Sauron's control" or something, and they'd all willingly join your side afterwards. I suppose that'd make the terrible things you can do to orcs even worse, though, so I dunno if that's an improvement.
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Pigbuster posted:The weirdest thing about the whole domination mechanic is that it seems like it could've easily been about "removing Sauron's control" or something, and they'd all willingly join your side afterwards. I suppose that'd make the terrible things you can do to orcs even worse, though, so I dunno if that's an improvement. Yeah I feel like the reason I can’t feel too too evil about orc enslaving is that they’re slaves already aren’t they? They were doomed to this life long before you met them, it’s not like they’re carefree hobbits living their best life independently before you show up and ruin everything.
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Nov 26, 2017 20:48
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The games seem to be mostly about making a grimdark version of LotR that show the horrors of war. Not to challenge the nature of the original story or make the audience question romanticising war, but because grimdark stuff and decaptitations are cool. Which is fine, people can enjoy what they want. But they shouldn't pretend there aren't hosed up implications behind it and get all huffy when others mention it.
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I played about 3 hours of the first game and put it down forever but that was more out of boredom than feeling bad for the orcs.
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Yeah, Talion is explicitly not a hero, not in it for noble reasons and is highly prone to being persuaded by power. He gives Ghost Dad some guff but then goes along with his plans anyway. It's more like Spec Ops. Talion chose this war, he chose to be a slave master and chose to exploit the minds of being he sees as "lesser" all the while giving himself comfort that his reasons are noble. The games are not subtle about this at all.
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Inzombiac posted:Yeah, Talion is explicitly not a hero, not in it for noble reasons and is highly prone to being persuaded by power. For fuckssake, at the end of Shadows of War, Talion is so driven for power, revenge and conquest that he willingly becomes a Ringwraith.
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Pigbuster posted:The weirdest thing about the whole domination mechanic is that it seems like it could've easily been about "removing Sauron's control" or something, and they'd all willingly join your side afterwards. I suppose that'd make the terrible things you can do to orcs even worse, though, so I dunno if that's an improvement. Or, as Chris Plante suggested in the most recent episode of The Besties, they could have established the fact that the orcs respect and want to follow strength. I think it may even be a point established already by Tolkien himself. Beat the orcs in battle, and they come to respect you and follow you willfully. So yeah, seems like there were a number of ways it could have been handled.
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timp posted:Or, as Chris Plante suggested in the most recent episode of The Besties, they could have established the fact that the orcs respect and want to follow strength. I think it may even be a point established already by Tolkien himself. Beat the orcs in battle, and they come to respect you and follow you willfully. So yeah, seems like there were a number of ways it could have been handled. They mention that cultural point in the games a lot and yeah, if they wanted Talion to be a good dude fighting for justice with u likely allies they should have done that.
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timp posted:Or, as Chris Plante suggested in the most recent episode of The Besties, they could have established the fact that the orcs respect and want to follow strength. I think it may even be a point established already by Tolkien himself. Beat the orcs in battle, and they come to respect you and follow you willfully. So yeah, seems like there were a number of ways it could have been handled. Well in Tolkien's lore, the orcs are also evil and petty and incapable of being good.
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